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Published: 2008-03-13 21:57:24 +0000 UTC; Views: 46132; Favourites: 434; Downloads: 1473
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This is the last of the ink surge that hit me in mid January. I don't know what will show up next--I've got some home projects to take care of for the time being.Regardless, the original is 10" x 13" (25 cm x 32 cm), done in pen and ink, and took me about 45 hours (should have taken me about 30, but, oh well...).
Had references for the horses--they are my most obvious weakness in drawing. And I looked at some Mongol warrior designs, too.
And, I titled this so that I could add more to the whole "Carried Away" theme, with the perpetrators being other historical figures who engaged in such a terrible deed...
Enjoy!
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Finally seeing some Mogols carrying off the ladies like they used too! Don’t know why more people don’t draw damsels getting carried away on horseback!
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Absolutely love this. The Kalmyk Khanate and Crimean Khanate are among my favorite historical European states and I've often fantasized of being a Kalmyk or Crimean Tatar raider going into Belarus to capture a nice girl. Love how that's potentially happening here
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Is there a way for me to fave this pic?
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Yes the Mongols raided the Slavic lands for slaves for many years. Even after Muscovy defeated the Golden Horde the splintered Mongols still raided Russia Poland Hungary and even captured Germans. The Crimean Khanate, one Mongol splinter also called Tatars, indulged in a process called "Harvesting the Steppe" of people and their property. Kaffa in Crimea was one of the biggest slave markets in the world. Supplying the Moslem world with Christian slaves mainly to Egypt and the Ottoman Empire. They burned Moscow more than once The Cossacks were the great enemies of the Tatars. Your horsemen look more like the earlier Mongols.
Your image is really brilliant and looks very accurate especially the composite bow and the arrows. Your work conveys more than the actual image.
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Thank you! I went online looking for authentic Mongol horsemen outfittings and found quite a variety to work from. The Mongols, like so many others, have a fascinating history full of elements worthy of art. 
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Hey elle-chan "You know, the Mongols would've been able to carry more women if they had bigger horses... just a thought, it really was poor planning, if you think about it."
Actually the Mongol army soldiers would each ride with 4 or more horses, and when one horse got tired they would just jump onto a fresh one, like a built in pony express. This was also a great battle tactic: After they attacked a city, the city would send out an army for revenge. the Mongols would keep retreating until the following army got too tired and it's supply chain got streatched too thin, and then the Mongols would counter-attack.
The Mongols conquered everybody (almost all of China, and west to the Holy Land, eastern Europe and the black sea). So one of those great MYSTERIES OF THE UNIVERSE is...
Where did all of their TREASURE go?
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They really were effective at it, weren't they.
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This one of the favorite pics here and my favorite in your gallery, Awesome work really
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hmm yes see some mistakes but it s hard too notice so its ok btw it looks great coolest raiders i ever seen in da mmm i like the kidnapping part mmm it was not a crime to kidnap others wife
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Thanks for the compliment! I'm glad you like it. I tend to have an error or seven in my images.
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Thanks! I'm glad you think so.
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Outstanding.
I love this awesome art.
Ah, I miss the times where man could just pick the women they wanted. :-P
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Thanks for the compliment!
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"To the tents, Taichu!" 
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"My fear is that my sons will never understand me" lol, no problemo man
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ooohhh... i like! can't wait to see the rest of the series ^^
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I've got two images in my head, but they're going to have to wait until this chapter is over (and maybe the next one after that, too). Thanks!
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Fun drawing! This might sound funny but the part I'm most impressed by are the horses! I have a project I'm working on right now with horses in it... It's been a long time since I drew a horse... I'm being painfully reminded of how damn tricky their anatomy is to get right! Ugh!!
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Yeah, they are tricky. Good luck with it, and thanks for the compliments!
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You know, the Mongols would've been able to carry more women if they had bigger horses... just a thought, it really was poor planning, if you think about it.
I love the details in the Mongol armor, and the horses look good considering how much you seem to dislike drawing them.
I only have one teensy-weensy minor thing to suggest: you always seem to do so well at representing race in men, but your women (besides that only lovely chocolate skinned beauty from the amazon story) never seem to change race, just slight coloration.
But, as I said, this is just a minor detail I've noticed, and can be safely ignored.
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Thanks! Yes, it's true, I do have quite the pronounced tendency to use European women to represent the damsels in distress in my stuff, although there are a few prominent exceptions in the "On A Leash" gallery, especially "For Sheik's Silk" (which features three black women). I do plan to draw a "Carried Away - Zulus" piece that will have African women from a rival tribe being hauled off. I'm also trying to prompt an image pop (if such a thing is possible) of "Carried Away - Conquistadores" in which Aztec women get the treatment. We'll see how these things work out, but I agree that it would be nice to see some other nationalities provide beautiful victims for this cruel sport...
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Ugh, another really late comment . . .
One of these days, Jeff, you're going to draw something I can enjoy without being somewhat creeped out by myself.
Or maybe you won't. And maybe I don't want you to. Or maybe . . .
ARGH! Stop pitting my good and evil sides together like that!
Sigh. Anyway, I don't think there's much I can say about this that I haven't already said many, many times about your work. I like the armor those guys are wearing, the horses, and that ground looks terrific. Kudos.
And you don't know what will show up next? Um . . . Demon's Due, maybe, hint-hint?
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Well, I'm sorry that my art seems to appeal to the brighter and darker ends of your inner self. That makes two of us, you know...
Yes, I think the next chapter of Demon's Due is coming up fast. I've started gathering my resources for it and setting aside a period of the next two months, and I've even cut the paper and arranged the drawing boards. It feels like there's still an ink drawing or two bouncing around inside there, though, so I'm holding out for just a little longer while some family issues get resolved (there was a recent funeral, with lots of extended family visits, and we've got some school-planning with kids that shorten my allotted drawing time, but it all should be done within the week). Until the images begin showing up, I can't start it, of course, but it feels like the necessary surge is on the verge of exploding...
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Ironically some women in Mongol society were very highly placed politically. Chinggis Khan's closest advisor was first his mother than his main wife and love, Borte (only her sons were ever considered able to become Khans). Later on women played a similar situation in regards to succession as did the Ottoman harem women, scheming to put their son in control. So while wife stealing was certaintly common, women could still be greatly respected and wield power. Certaintly more so than in many of the societies they conquered, I would think.
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Wow, a second comment! I appreciate both of them, and am right now trying to answer the first one. As far as this comment goes, it is obviously an advantage for a leader to have counselors, along with the ability to reject their counsel if necessary, regardless of the genders of any and all concerned. And, while I am certainly a supporter of the idea that men are responsible for most of the violence and strife in the world, I'm not sure if that is for any other reason than the fact that they were in control for the entire time--had women been in control, would they have done anything better? The scheming and power-hunger evidenced by the examples you brought up might suggest otherwise.
Rather than judge, however, I simply pose the question and speculate, and ponder such interesting information as what you have provided. The fact remains that a woman holding any political power has historically been an exception to the general rule, and something one has to look for in a discussion of this kind. When we find examples of "egalitarian" treatment in a past, foreign society, we are often amazed that such "barbarians" could be even more forward thinking in some ways than our own culture is, and I think such amazement is evidence of our own delusions and ethnocentricity.
I'm quite intrigued by the details you've shared about the Mongols--any good books you can recommend for further reading?
And thanks for the comments!
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Well a good book is Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World by Jack Weatherford. It talks about their political and social structure, including the interesting status of women. But for the Mongol military, the Mongol Art of War by Timothy May is a great book, talks about there strategies and how it effected modern warfare (ie Blitzkrieg and tank tactics).
But if you want awesome pictures, get Osprey Publishing's Mongols by Stephen Turnbull, illustrations by the great late Angus McBride. Also Osprey's Attila and the Nomad Horde, as well as Mounted Archers of the Steppe 600 BC - 1300 AD has some good Mongol info, though it includes stuff about other Central Asian nomads.
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Thanks for these referrals. I'll put them on my reading list and keep my eyes open at Barnes and Noble.
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A great image as always. Concerning the girl´s fates I think we should keep in mind that it is all fantasy and light years away from today´s thinking. I myself do somehow related stuff and my 'models' have to suffer worse than rape, but it´s all fantasy and has nothing to do with reality. Fortunate!
Besides from that: what you can see in the picture was women´s fate throughout history. Until today.
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Yeah, historically, men have not treated women well, ranging from nigh-absolute subjection to viewing them as cherished porcelain dolls. Certainly not as "equals." Interestingly enough, I recently read a book entitled Are Men Really Necessary by Maureen Dowd, in which the changing roles and perceptions of them are discussed by both genders. I'm not sure it left me anything but more confused (yeah, it definitely left me confused), but the fact is that a book like that couldn't have been written at any other period of history for many reasons. Hooray for us!!! 
Thanks for the compliment!
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Well, the central question is "necessary for what?" For the biological necessities it is unquestionable. It´s common science consent that male was invented by female. In accordance with (mother) nature´s principle of usefulness there a 'necessity' for male. At any rate biologically.
For the gender question i think you´ve found a perfect answer: we developed that far (and fast) that a woman is not only allowed to ask this question, but also to write and publish a book about this needless question. To me thinking in such categories is as if the questioner is still stuck in 1970s feminist ideology. I think we´re long through with this. Hooray for us!!!
The "Bringing-The-Loot-Into-Safety" theme is one of my favorites and you brought it out great.
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Actually, I believe (though I may be wrong) that the author of the book in question was exposing a very real but hard-to-identify downside to the current situation. Apparently, after the feminist movements of the last 40 years, it seems that among the many "negative" elements that were lost with the coming of a newer, enlightened equality, a few "positive" elements are vanishing as well. As a quick example, women want to be equal, but men pick up the check for dinner, or else they're not "manly." Men aren't allowed to look at women as they always have, and women don't know how to look at men anymore, and neither gender knows how to perceive themselves. The book raised a lot of interesting questions that my enlightened, capable wife and I have discussed at length on multiple occasions.
Other books (sci-fi, mostly) have speculated on a future society where the genetically necessary "material" from men is maintained in banks and such, and men, as a gender, no longer exist. Of course, to my knowledge, these future societies are always a rather bleak place in whatever literature and imagery they appear...
In the meantime, I've drawn LOTS of women in peril, carried off by men, monsters, and monstrous men...
Thanks for the compliment! I hope to put up another one like this pretty soon.
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screw zeitgeist (great german word btw)! If you try to behave as you explained in your last comment, you are determined to loose. I think all a man can do is trying to look at a woman from equal height. Nevertheless: keep paying the bills, mend their punctures and open the doors for them. Help them getting into their coats and always say 'Ladies First' - And when they are through the mine filed, just follow
Keep an drawing damsels in peril and just let time go by. We´ll both male and female win a la longue
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A great and enduring opinion, I say.
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