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Thi is my own version of predalien , i have been thinking very much how to show this predalien of my point of view, if you look at a runner (dog alien) can see that is about the same features as other alien , with small differences, i have thought it would be logical that a predalien be about the same as other aliens because it would be more realistic .I dont like the design used in avp Requiem , so I made this picture .
I hope you will love!
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Yes, you have the point, a few years ago i'was thinking at something like this and like you i thought at this concept of hybrid and real host.
Last year i made a short story in my mind, about a new AvP story for a comic book or movie idea, that are placed after Alien Resurrection, about 20 years or something from the events of that movie, in witch case, The United System Military preserve 3 xenomorphs embryos in criostasys, named them, Ripley's Children, and put them in some secret space station lab that know one knows, more exactly a biological military operations lab.
They know about the black go from the Prometheus missions, but they don't know the precise location of that planet, and they strive to clone Ripley to grow that hostile and magnificent creature, ''Alien Resurrection'', an then they located 3 specimen into a secret space lab.
In my own story the predators haven't do any contact with earth and human species from that time events of Predator 2, and humans search them from that time to steal their technology.
Also from 20 years after Alien Ressurection, a space military vessel with soldiers prepared a team specialized in the war with this mysterious race of predators, that has secret bases with cloaking device parameters into a far away solar system from deep space.
The military team work in secret with that space departments of biological weapons, and they will use the xenomorphs in the war with the predators, but the team of the marine soldiers don't know about this, and the fight will turn into a blood bath.
Those versions of xenomorphs from my stories are bigger, faster, and very tougher like the ones from Alien Isolation, more bigger and stronger then the xenos wee see in AvP an AvP requiem.
From my perspective AvP and AvP requiem its not cannon and its an alternate universe, that stands on his one.
And also i forgot to say, but in my story the predators species do not know about the ALien xenomorphs, they will first encounter this species in the war that will begin between them and humans, and nether the humans will not know what the xenos are, only the generals and the scientist that use them as secret bio-weapons.
The xenomorphs are contained in some kind of big modules that no one knows for sure for what are used, and are reinforced with thick armored and compact metal doors, with liquid nitrogen preservation.
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This sounds like a pretty decent story, even if there are parts of it I find questionable.
If I were writing an AVP story, as a novel or a movie, I would set it after Aliens ignore
Alien³ and Alien: Resurrection, just consider them non-canon along with Prometheus and
Alien: Covenant, because I didn't like Prometheus and I little intention to see Alien: Covenant and
they do just as much damage to the lore and continuity as the AVP films, if not more. And I would
set in the actual main canon universe and link both the Alien and Predator continuities (without either
AVP movies of course). I would also keep the aspect of the Predators being aware of the Xenomorphs'
existence and hunting them for thousands of years because I really like that aspect and it makes sense
given what the first Alien alluded to and Prometheus and Covenant ignored; which is that both the Space
Jockeys and Xenos are ancient species and they might've been around for thousands of years.
One idea I have to is to set the story on a Predator hunting planet that is dedicated to hunting Xenomorphs and
it very ceremonial and sacred to the Predators, kind of like the 2010 video game. And have the humans,
mainly Weyland-Yutani commandeer the planet and use it for Xenomorph experimentation, especially after they
discover a dormant queen on the planet and revive it to produce more eggs. As the humans are experimenting
on the Xenos, a group of Young Blood Predators arrive on the planet to go through their rite of passage hunt,
which is to hunt and kill Xenomorphs in hope of becoming full Blooded Predators.
But when they arrive, they see that the humans have captured their Xenomorph Queen and are using it to serve
their own ends, as well raiding their temples of the Predator technology inside. So as a result of this, the Predators'
hunt is postponed and they watch and wait to see if the Xenos break out of their confinement and start wrecking havoc
on their facilities, or the Predators themselves will have to go through the trouble of releasing the Xenos from the human
facilities and allowing the hunt to commence. Of course, the former happens, and once the Xenos start killing people, the
Predators begin their hunt.
At the same time, a group of Colonial Marines are dispatched to this planet to eliminate the Xenomorph threat, and once the
Predators realize the Colonial Marines are on the planet, one of them decides to hunt the Marines as well as the Xenos, while
the other two stick to just hunting the Xenos. So this overweening Predator starts picking off the Marines, leading to them becoming
aware of the Predators presence and putting the other two in danger. And once the Marines are ambushed by Xenos, this same
overly confident Predator jumps in and starts killing the Marines as well as several Xenos, but this Predator is eventually overwhelmed
and ends up getting captured by the Xeno and taken into the hive where he is facehugged.
The two remaining Predator stick closer together as they travel into the hive, in hopes of confronting the Queen and possibly killing
her and collecting her head as a trophy. They encounter some more varied Xeno types until the confront a Predalien, one that was
created by the Weyland-Yutani scientists through gene splicing, and has heavy pronounced features of both species. They fight the
Predalien, but it proves to be a much more formidable opponent than even they were anticipating and the Predalien kills the second
Predator, leaving only the leader to continue the hunt. The leader Predator manages to defeat and kill the Predalien, though heavily
scarred by its acid blood, and he progresses into the hive. He finally finds the Queen and just as he goes into kill it, the last surviving
Marine shows up with the intention of killing both the Queen and this last remaining Predator. This culminates in a three-way battle, which
ends with the Predator not only killing the Queen and collecting her head as a trophy, but killing the remaining Marine and collecting his head
as trophy. And that would be the end of the story, or at least my first idea.
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Yes, i like your idea, but is very common with other comic books and video games, but is far better then the AvP Movies( AvP and AvP Requiem), those two are not cannon from my point of view.
My version of story is very different very unique, because i want to combine very clever the universe of original Alien series with the predator world, and in my point of view this is the best decision, to put the story of Alien vs Predator in the far future, and do not due any bad correlations and bad decisions with this two worlds, because they made many in the past production.
I like only Predator 1, Predator 2 and Predators, the recent movie ''The predator'', was a joke, but more watchable then AvP and AvP requiem.
Even when they create this idea with ''Aliens vs Predator'' in the 90's, after Predator 2 movie, they do not think in therms of individual creatures with their perfect skills.
The comic book authors only made the some kind of collision idea between Predator and James Cameron ''Aliens'', more exactly they cut some existent predefined ideas from the existing movies and place them into a new type of world, where you mach up the classic Predator that wee know, in battle with that weak but scary Aliens and that same type iconic of marine squad, from Aliens 1986.
What i propose in my story is very different and for the logic of the series and the new movies, my AVP story is based on a new and fresh idea that cancel all the alternative and comic book world view based on AvP, and create something that will have a logic for both of the universe.
And for that, i use the chronological and original movies of Alien in a sense that will not intervene with the Prometheus and Alien Covenant, because they where in the past, and Alien Resurrection is in the future, and even that, my story is even at list from 20 or 30 years after events of Resurrection.
Like i said before, From the time of Predator 2, humans do not made any contact with Predator race, and they know about them in secret, because in the far future, they present to soldiers video samples with those creatures in their command observation hull of an military vessel orbiting a strange planet into deep space.
And even in my personal view i don't like Alien Resurrection as much as the first three movies, but i accept it as a cannon part of the original series and a big turning point that can establish the base of my story, that i'will made in comic book style.
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Well that was just one idea I came up with. I do have somewhat of a second idea, but it isn't as fleshed out as the other one I talked about in my last comment.
I was thinking of also having a story that's kind of like one of the early drafts of Alien³ and Neill Blomkamp's concept art for Alien 5, where there is a Xenormorph
infestation on a space habitat (like on an O'Neil Cylinder or a Stanford Torus), somehow, the Predator gets involved and tries to kill the Xenos. I was thinking of
either this having a Predator being captured by Weyland-Yutani scientists and brought onto this space habitat for research, and that's how he gets involved, or
having a Predator or a group of Predators board the space habitat after they see a Xenomorph infestation taking place and see it as ample opportunity to hunt.
Personally, I like the former since it is more unique and it would allow the story to have a survival-horror kind of vibe with this single Predator trying to escape this
space habitat while also killing Xenos along the way. Maybe you could even have twist at the end, where it turns out the Predator had a Chestburster inside of him
and just as he's about to escape, the thing pops out of his chest and kills him, and the result Predalien slithers out of the chest into the ship he was about to take off in.
And like I said, I do some of your ideas, like the idea of the Humans, Xenos, and Predators having all-out war with one another, that's something that's been explored in
few comics and mostly notable in novels, in a trilogy called AVP: Rage War. But I don't really like the idea of being set after Resurrection, especially with all the stupidity
that I've seen and read about in that film, and I don't like the idea of this being the first time the Predators encounter the Xenos. But it's ultimately your story and you
can do whatever you want with it, even if I disagree with some of your creativity choices. As for the Xenos in James Cameron's "Aliens" being weaker than the one Xeno in
"Alien" (1979), I personally never really considered them weaker, I just saw it as the Xenos going up against humans who had better equipment and weaponry than the
crew of the Nostromo. Plus, you have to consider that "Aliens" takes place 50+ years after "Alien", and so that's plenty of time for the technology to advance enough to where
humans could put up more of a fight against the Xenos than they could've during the Nostromo's time.
One last thing, I'm glad that we're at least on the same page about "The Predator". I haven't seen it as I decided to boycott it after the awful trailers, but everything I've heard about
it makes it seem like an abomination on the level of AVPR, "Alien: Covenant" and "Alien: Resurrection", and I believe it.
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You have the point in what you said here!
What do you think if the scenario will be between a classic predator and a xenomorph that wee saw in Alien Isolation?
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Thank you
And that could work, since the Xenomorphs in "Alien: Isolation" were shown to be hive-based like the ones in "Aliens",
except there was no Queen shown. And the Xenos in that game were almost completely indestructible, so having Xenos
that durable in the story would bring back the fear and menace factor that many Alien fans was missing in "Aliens" and
every other Alien movie after (except "Alien³"). But I would show a Queen, just so to keep it all consistent and to explain
where the large quantity of eggs came from because "Alien: Isolation" didn't explain that at all.
And of course, it'd be the classic, normal Predator in this story, not one of those Super Predators from "Predator" or that big CGI
upgraded one from "The Predator". I didn't like either of those Predator types, and I only like the classic Predators we all
know and love from the two Predator movies and even the AVP films.
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I like that, i think it will be a very impressed comic book or an interesting film, to see a classic predator like the one from the first two movies, in a fight with that big beast from alien Isolation.
I saw some specifications, and they say that the xenomorph from isolation is about 2.70 m Height, a very big bio-weapon.
They seem very intelligent and clever, with their tactics and spawn attack.
I think a predator will need to use his solder cannon in many shots to destroy such a beast, in a fight ''hand to hand'' has no chance, because this type of Xenomorph is like a Pretorian or bigger, and has that hard exoskeleton carapace.
It will be very interesting to see that kind of AVP, An Alien vs Predator not Aliens vs Predator.
In my story i wanted to use the xenos from Alien Isolation, three of them, closed in that modules, specimen number 1, number 2, and number 3, triple bio-weapon program, or Ripley's children, initiated by those mad scientist, that contain them from U.S.M Auriga.
I think alien Resurrection is the mots weak movie from the quatrology, but even so it has his big parts in terms of aesthetic, effects, and sets, the story in the fisrt 40 minutes of the film is very good, but after that the movie become a dark comedy that destroy the logic and the narrative of what this universe seems to be.
The idea is very good, if it was more serious, that think maybe change everything.
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I'm sure a Predator could take out Xenomorph like the ones in Alien: Isolation in hand-to-hand, I mean
the Predators are very powerful in their own right and are known to take out large prey in the comics
(the Predator comics, not even just the AVP ones). Plus, the normal Predators are 7-feet on average,
or 2.1336 m, which isn't that much shorter than the Alien: Isolation Xenos and some normal Predators can
probably grow to 8 feet, which is the exact as those Xenos. So I think a Predator take out those Xenos if it
tried, and if it was clever and tactic about it.
Yeah, the whole black/dark comedy aspect is what turns me off about Resurrection, and I'm also not a fan of
them brining back Ripley through cloning after she died in Alien³, and that clone somehow also having a Queen
inside her just the original Ripley did, which makes little sense.
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I don't think that a classic predator can take an alien like the one from Isolation, hand to hand, because that beast is very tough and very large, very resilient on minimal explosion, bluets an other things, and you need to think that type of xenomorph can very easily grab a predator from his arms an take him down with one bite from his head.
Also the knife blades from the predator arms are insufficient to kill that large xenomorph, and the molecular acid can very well milt that blades, and can hurt him.
This type of xenomorph is very different from the ones portrait-ed in comic books and other video games, this xeno is like the first one, the perfect organism, the perfect killing machine, that has no need of weapons to do is job, hi sa living bio weapon, and i want to see a fight between that kind of alien and a predator, will be very interesting.
One thing, Alien Isolation is cannon with the original movies, and has no link with the comic books.
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Well if we go with the idea that the Predators know of the Xenomorphs and have hunted them for a long time,
which is what I would do, the Predators would have acid resistant versions of their weaponry. Like acid-resistant
wrist blades, Combi-Sticks, Smart Discs, Nets, all of that. But since we both seem to want them to a story where
the Predator is an underdog or the vulnerable one in this conflict, what I was going to say is that one handicap we could
give the Predator in this particular story, is that none of his melee weapons are acid resistant. Like, he didn't bring any
acid resistant weaponry with him, because he didn't know that he was going to encounter Xenomorphs since that
isn't what he was originally going out to hunt for. So when trying to escape from this space habitat, the Predator tries to
conserve his melee weapons because he doesn't want to damage them with the Xenos' acid blood, and he only uses them
when absolutely necessary.
But when he does get into a direct one-on-one battle with one of these Xenos, he does not hesitate to use his Wrist Blades
or use his Smart Disc or when use his fists to fight it off and kill it. Like if one of these Xenos try to grab him, he stabs its head
with his Wrist Blade and when that causes them to melt off, he then decides to pull its secondary mouth out, causing some of the
acid blood to splash on him, injuring him. And then with all of his strength, he manages to rip its head off with his bare hands, trying
avoid any more acid injuries.
And you could have this be one of the last few fights of the story just before he dies, to show that he's
one his last stand and he doesn't give a crap anymore, or you have it be one of the middle fights to really show that the Predators
(as a species, as a hunting-based, honor-based society) are not ones to back down from a physical fight, especially not one with
the perfect organism, the most perfect killing machine in the galaxy. You know, they love a challenge, and whether they succeed
or fail doesn't entirely matter as long as they tried and were brave enough to even take it on.
And about the continuity of "Alien: Isolation". That's kind of confused me a little bit, because we all know that the game stars Ellen Ripley's
daughter, Amanda Ripley as the lead, and she's an adult. So if we do consider it canon with the movies, that means it takes place sometime
in-between "Alien" and "Aliens" and it means that Amanda Ripley encountered the Xenomorphs as well, but that's never brought up in "Aliens".
Like in "Aliens" (or at least the Director's Cut), they explain Amanda Ripley died of old age (or of natural causes) in the 50 years that her mother
Ellen Ripley was inside of cryo-sleep, floating around in space in the escape pod.
But by the end of "Alien: Isolation", she's floating around in space wearing a spacesuit after she blasted her and a stowaway Xenomorph out of the
airlock, and she would have to have survived that for the backstory of "Aliens" to make sense. And if she did indeed survive that, why didn't she tell
anyone about the Xenomorph infestation on Sevastopol Station or write it down anywhere? Why wouldn't Weyland-Yutani know about the Xenomorphs
already and believe Ripley's story? Are they just feigning ignorance when they had that meeting with Ripley in "Aliens" or do actually not know? You'd think they
would know considering Sevastopol Station was a massive space station with hundreds, if not, thousands of people on board by the time the Xenomorph
infestation took place and at least one of them would've blown the whistle if they survived.
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Hi, yes you have the point in some of the aspects.
Here is a link with my surprise attack on one xeno from Alien Isolation, its a huge beast:, even with his body in crouch is very big, and you can see his silhouette when he burns a little ,very huge , as a pretorian from AvP, maybe larger: www.facebook.com/alexandru.kov… , pot this in HD settings to see it better in stop at the moment when is hit by explosion.
The xeno from Alien Isolation is different from the others from AvP 2010 or other video games, and i say this because this one is perfectly represented as the one from the original Alien from 1979.
This is the first video game that elaborate very good the cleverness and tactic of that xeno, the fear, the Resistance, and the intelligence of that beast, as wee know from the first movie.
Despite the thing that even on Sevastopol station, exist some kind of hive, with this aliens that are very autonomous in their behavior, and they don't need a queen, those are the original ones, from the derelict ship, and the queen from Aliens from my point of view is an attribute of accidentally evolution or change, to multiply them more easily.
They say that Amanda Ripley survive, and they pot in secret the situation from her bad experience, into a novel made after the video game, and is the official catalog of the alien time line,where they proceed from Prometheus,Alien Covenant, Alien, Alien isolation, Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection in chronological status, to understand the time line, and it seems that Alien isolation is considered cannon.
In this catalog they pot even the personal story of Golic, the last survivor of Fyorina 161, an he said in that journal some details about the xenomorph that kill the entire prison planet, and so on, it very interesting.
I don't mix the comic with the cannon universe, they have their personal universe in AVP, but it seems very refreshing to see a fight between an original Xeno like the one from the Isolation or 1979 movie, and see a predator like in the first movie or second one, how will manage to fight with such a beast, with the perfect organism.
I think it will only kill such a beast if he can shot him a couple of times with the shoulder cannon, but i din't think that has the necesarly strength to rip the head of an xeno like the one from Isolation, with bare hands, its impossible, because that xeno is very tough, and has a thick neck with tendons and some elements of exoskeleton parts, that makes him a durable creature.
The fier can hurt him or can scare him, but will not kill him, its not sufficient, and that's why i said that this alien is very well manage, like in the original movie.
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Yes, but I still sort of feeling like you're not really giving the Predator much credit. I mean, the Predators themselves
are very tall, just only a foot (or even just a few inches) shorter than the original Xenomorph from the first movie and
from "Alien: Isolation". If a Predator was in tight corridors like the Xenos in that game were, he'd be crouching down
too. Predators also very strong and very resilient, in "Predator 2", the City Hunter took several shotgun shells to the chest
and still got up and fought, then he got his left hand chopped by Mike Harrigan using the Smart Disc, and he was still able to
fight. Plus, in the Predator comics, the Predator taken on much larger prey than themselves, some even bigger than the classic
Xeno from "Alien" and "Alien: Isolation". Am I saying the Predators are as resilient and impervious as the classic Xenos? No, I'm not,
but don't underestimate their strength and ability to take on one of these types of Xenos on their own, without a plasma castor.
As for your point about the Xenomorph hive in "Alien: Isolation" and them not requiring a Queen, I suppose you're right but that
begs the question. What the Xenomorphs do, or even the LV-426 colonists do to get a Queen? Like the colonists show experiment on
the Xenos and cause one of them to become a Queen? Or did the Xenos mutate and evolve on their own to form a Queen and hierarchical
structure? If the latter's the case, then why would the Xenos do this if they could reproduce and spread just as quickly without a Queen?
And is this just always a natural step in their evolution if they're left to their own devices? If anything, "Alien: Isolation" kind of tampers with
the Alien life cycle and the continuity just as badly as "Prometheus" and "Alien: Covenant", if it's considered canon. That's why, up until this
conversation, I considered "Isolation" an else-world story outside of the main canon.
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Yes, in the films they're about seven and a half feet tall, and the most tall Predator in European measures they are about from 1.95m, 2m, or 2.20 m, the maximum size in movies, in Predator 2 they where some preds that have about the same Height as Dany Glover/1.92 m.
In comics despite the artist technique and concept, they where about 2.50 m, but this is in comics, not in the movies.
The xenomorphs are from 2.20 to 2.50, 2.70 in Isolation, and 3.20 in Alien Covenant and Alien 3/9 feet, not comics.
In directors cut, from alien 3, the xenomorph was born from an Ox/cow host, that givse him an advantage in size and limbs height/ movie version, not the litle runner from games and comics.
Xenomorphs in comics are very shorter, and very insignificant in some stories among the predators.
I know that the predator is very good, in strength, fight, technology, etc, but this criteria is applied to humans, but when in the background a xenomorph appear the situation is very different, because the xenomorph is a killing machine, not a human with a gun!
you need to think from that perspective, and when a classic predator meet a classic xenomorph the result in not an Aliens Vs Predator, is more an ALlIEN vs Predator.
The xenomorph with his body and claws and with his strength can break a solid metal doors that depends on that alloy with very ease, and has that toughens in some conditions, without any technological weapon.
In their natural strength the xenommorphs are more stronger and tougher then the predators, that need technology and some gadgets to be efficient.
The original life cycle of the xenomorph was without a Queen, they added the queen in James Cameron Aliens, to bring something new, this was the idea, and that results in this theory of some kind of adaptation or evolution or mutation of their own species to multiplay.
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I realize that this is ALIEN vs. Predator and not ALIENS vs. Predator (not that I think it makes much of a difference),
but I think you're kind of overestimating the Classic Xenomorph's strength and durability here. Is it a perfect killing machine?
Yes, but that doesn’t mean the it’d impossible for a Predator to kill without his weaponry, or at least with minimal weaponry.
By your logic, Predators wouldn’t be able to take out a Queen or a Praetorian, or any of the larger Xenomorph types, because
they’re supposed to be more powerful and durable than the normal Xenomorphs. And that I think they been seen killing Queens
in the comics and in the video games. If I am wrong about that, feel free to connect me. I know Predators are depicting killing
Queens in fan works, but those aren’t always accurate to what the stats of the creatures are from official sources.
But anyway, I still do think a Predator could rip a Classic Xenomorph’s head off, if not with bare hands then the aid of his Wrist Blades.
I think that does make sense considering Predators are known to take larger or more powerful adversaries than themselves, and it would
allow the reader to really see how strong the Predator is; since we’ve seen him go up against humans and the Xenos from “Aliens” (which
I personally don’t think are really weaker than the classic ones). Am I saying that this Predator would do this often and in every fight? No, I’m not.
Like I said in one of my previous comments, the Predator in this story would be trying to conserve his weaponry because none of them are acid-resistant.
So it’d be very seldom that he’d engage the Xenos in melee or hand-to-hand combat. One of my earlier suggestions was to have the melee and
hand-to-hand fights take place near the end, where the Predator is on his last stand and willing to die fighting.
My other suggestion would be to have a melee/hand-to-hand fight in the middle of the story (like in the second act), where a Xenomorph tackles the
Predator, forcing him to use his Wrist Blades and raw strength. Maybe, he does stab the Xeno with his Wrist Blades and it doesn’t phase the Xeno (to
show that these guys don’t go down easy), and when he pulls them out, they are severely damaged by the acid blood. So he decides to just grab the
Xenomorph’s head, and all of his might, rips it off and throws it aside, doing his best to avoid the acid blood. And maybe some of it does get on him,
and his arm is severely burned and injured, or he loses it completely and the Predator’s left with one arm throughout the rest of the story.
That would be my approach, to display the Predator’s strength and ability to take on a Classic Xenomorph,without taking away from the Classic Xeno’s
own strength and durability.
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The predator is very strong, very resilient, is huge, and is faster then a human, but sense it has weapons of some kind of gadgets that he use, that makes him not so perfectly in his natural state.
I think the predator has the strength and durability of an hippopotamus, in his natural way, i like it very much, is the perfect sport hunter, or sport joker with his enemies, but the Aliens Vs Predator in comic books is only a fiction of a good fiction story, a child of a mature man.
The mature man are the movies of the original cannon series that respects the consistences and logic of stories, like that catalog that i'write about, and the child is the world of comic books and some video games, an with this analysis i place the AVP movies on that line, because are very childish.
In my view the predator has some limits, and it needs more careful tactics to fight with an Classic Alien(1979 or isolation), because the xenomorph is more powerful and more resilient then an hippopotamus, and with is strength and aggressiveness is like i said, a bio-weapon, not a human.
What i want to clear here is that even an hunter like the classic pred, if he dose not use his best weapons and tactics, can very easily be killed by a classic xeno.
If you do not have necessarily strength to incapacitate such a beast no one will can, because the xenos are like light armored vehicles, and you need to have a strength of an crane to immobilize and then hit him decisively with something that can break them in pieces because this is the only why, and i forgot to mention, that they have a regenerative ability to light wounds, this is writhed in the original script of Alien 1979, they can regenerate their arms in a couple of minutes or hours.
The black gue from Prometheus is a substance like a mutagen bacteria that is a part of xenomorph DNA, and has this regenerative ability, like the worms from Prometheus.
Also the xeno from ALien Isolation has some regeneration adaptations of his biorhythm, and some say that they are bio-mechanical, they are like biological cyborgs if you want.
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But the Predator isn't completely useless in his natural state. Predators (or Yautja) are naturally very strong
and smart, in-addition to being tech savvy. And that's what I'm trying to say here. I'm not saying that a Predator
could take on a Classic Xeno easily or a whole army of them but he could still put up a good fight with one with minimal
weaponry like with a pair of Wrist Blades and a Smart Disc, or just raw natural strength. Like if he attacked specific areas on
the Xeno that are probably the weakest, like the neck, arms, or legs, then he could take one out by using his melee weapons or
his hands. And again like I said in my last comment, this would happen very seldomly and in certain situations, like the one I
described where a Xeno tackles the Predator to the ground as he trailing across the Space Habitat and the Predator can't use
his Plasma Castor or it'll splatter more acid blood on him than if hadn't used that particular projectile weapon.
As for the whole regeneration thing, that was only in the script and wasn't really portrayed in the final film. And in the game,
Alien: Isolation, while any wounds you inflict on the Xenos (whether they gunshots or stun baton) do disappear after awhile, I didn't take
that as them healing or regenerating, I took it as it like a game mechanic. Like wounds do disappear on character's bodies in games if it's
not really a part of the story or if not built into the game engine itself or whatever, wounds will stay on a character for very long. If I'm
wrong about that and that was confirmed by the game devs that the Xenos were regenerating, feel free to correct me.
And personally, if I were writing this story, I would not mention the black goo or allude to it at all since I really don't want to consider Prometheus and
Alien: Covenant canon as they mess up the continuity and the Xenomorph/Space Jockey lore. As did The Predator with the DNA harvesting nonsense.
In my personal headcanon continuity, the first Aliens films are canon and the first two Predator films are canon. That's it. Nothing else, except maybe
some stuff from the comics. Not the AVP comics, the solo Alien comics and the solo Predator comics.
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The alien xenomorph is not a bug or a fly, that you can break his limbs with bare hands, because the predator has a lot a strength but is not sufficient to injure an Alien without any weapon. You are definitely very attached from the comic books lore, and you can not see the logic of the cannon in movies.
In comic books and in some video games, the predator is very exaggerated in his power, and this is not apply to the cannon movies.
Yes the xeno has the regenerative ability, Ridley Scott says that in a recent interview, and even if this not appear in the final draft of the movie, they know that the Alien has this potential of healing, because the dialog of Ash, when it says that his the perfect organism has a part from the original draft, and it says :''ASH: You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? A perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility'', this is the Alien, not comic books or other fan made expectations.
Many of the future films or comic books, dissolve that idea, and from a perfect structural organism they made only a creepy bug nothing else.
The only and the first video game that shown for the first time a xenomorph like in the original movie, ''the perfect structural organism'' was Alien Isolation, and they basically add all the qualities of that universe and atmosphere.
The second job was on David's Fincher Alien 3, when he said that he want an alien like in the first movie, and this says it all!
Like i said the alien is like an light armored vehicle, you can't break him with bare hands and this even for a predator a problem.
If the predator from the first movie wanted to kill Arnold, it will made it with his weapons, not with bear hands, because they have a fight hand to and, and with his strength he manege to threw Arnold with one punch in the face, but not kill him.
What will made you think that has the power to break with bare hands an Alien, how, because is not logic and not real in the lore of the movie!
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Well first of all, I'm not just going off of the comics lore or the video game lore, I am going by the movies
since that is what I have seen. I haven't read any of the comics (yet), I've just read up on the lore on the wiki
and heard from some videos here and there. In the Predator films, they establish that the Predators (or Yautja)
are very strong and capable beings. They are the most fierce hunters in the galaxy, and they take up any challenge
for honor and glory. Now granted, we haven't seen the Predators strength against anything other than humans in the
films, but that does not mean they'd be completely helpless against a Classic Xeno without weapons, or with minimal
weapons as I stated before.
As for the final fight with Dutch Shaefer in the first movie, the Jungle Hunter did intend to kill him, just not with his
Plasma Castor or his Biomask. And the Jungle Hunter could have easily killed him if he got the chance, because the Predator
species in that film and in Predator 2 were shown to be vastly stronger than humans. The only reason the Jungle Hunter didn't kill
Dutch was because Dutch outsmarted him and crushed him with a log. Plus you're forgetting that the Jungle Hunter did still have
his Wrist Blades, so he wasn't completely unarmed.
It really seems like you're trying to downplay the Predator's strength and make it seem weak without its weapons, even against humans.
I understand you're more of an Alien fan, but come on.
The reason why I thought the Predator could rip a Classic Xeno's head off is because again, Predators have been shown to have incredible
strength in the films (I'm not talking about the comics here) and I figure the neck area of the Xenomorph has weakest armor, so if there was
any body part on the Classic Xeno that the Predator would have any chance at ripping out with his natural strength, it'd be the head/neck.
Now I am willing to work with you and concede that it was perhaps a little ridiculous and it wasn't logically consistent with what these creature's
attributes were shown to be in the films. So if we did write this AVP story, I would not write that scenario in there and just have the Predator
trying to evade the Xenos or just killing them with his Plasma Castor. And if he did get into close fights with the Classic Xenos, we could have him
use his Wrist Blades and/or his Smart Disc (despite them not being acid resistant) to cut through them and slice some of their heads off or an arm
off. I think that works since he'd be using a weapon and not his fists.
Lastly, you are right about the regeneration thing being the original Alien script, but I personally do not like it and I personally would not use it
in my version of the story that we were discussing before this conversation turned into a debate about whether a Classic/Normal Predator was strong
enough to kill a Classic/Derelict Xenomorph unarmed. I would just have the Xenomorphs be really durable and impervious to many types of weaponry,
like a mini-tank (as you say). I think that would still in keep with the whole "perfect organism" thing that was from the first Alien film and in Isolation.
But again, that's just me and you can disagree if you want.
And one last thing, about regeneration and it being in the original Alien script and being canon according Ridley Scott. I would not take his word
100% on that, considering he's the same one who wanted to retcon the Xenomorph's origin from it being the Space Jockeys/Engineers to David.
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I like the predator as a space hunter, i know they are very strong, i know they have many many possibilities to hunt what they want, with their arsenal, and that makes them very interesting species.
But when i say about Arnold/Dutch Shaffer that was punched by a predator and he not die, that dose not mean that the predator is a weak alien, but is not so strong without weapons as is it with his entire arsenal.
You remember in predator 2 when has that fight against Danny Glover/Lieutenant Mike Harrig n, that he use all the arsenal to fight against him, even that fly cut disc, that is very formidable weapon, and that spear that is the second formidable weapon.
It has some very good weapons that suppose to be used with cleverness, can break a classic xenomorph, in some conditions, but not with bear hands, because even for his strength is not sufficient to break a head of a xenomorph.
The neck of a xenomorph is very thick and has tendons with a protective layer of hard carapace in some spots, that makes him very durable, and for that he needs a laser or a very specialized cutting weapon to do this.
The xenomorph from isolation and from the first alien movie, has that fearsome and that intelligent vibe like some psycho killer with speed, strength, and armored protection, this is something new even for a predator, because the alien is not a natural life-form, is basically a bio-weapon, an artificial bio design that is use for intergalactic wars.
Dan'o Banon, is the original Alien 1979 writer, and has that idea with the regeneration of limbs and tentacles from the alien, and that's why they make him the perfect organism, and Ridley Scott only aprove this, and in his future movies, he developed idea on that worms that are affected by the black gue pathogen, and this mutagen bacteria has the concept and idea even in the first movie, at the space jokey.
Yes in Prometheus and ALien Covenant, they made a mistake about engineers and the creator of xenos, that is David, but he made this intentionally, to protect his franchise from other experiments like AvP, that from his perspective are not counted and not cannon.
Also James Cameron says, that they fucked up the franchise with that AvP movie.
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Well first of all, you left out the little info at the end there where James Cameron actually said he enjoyed the first AVP,
despite disparaging it throughout its development. So no, he probably doesn't think that it fucked up the franchise. Maybe
he thinks the second one did, but not the first one. I can certainly buy that Ridley Scott still hates the AVP movies, especially
since he went on and on about he didn't like the design of the Xenomorphs in the first AVP, even though he made the Protomorph
in Alien: Covenant look almost exactly like the ones in that movie.
If it really was Ridley Scott's intention to protect the Alien franchise from "experiments" like AVP, then I think he went too far and ended up
fucking up the franchise even further. I do not think Prometheus or Alien: Covenant are any better than those AVP films. They're just barely
above them in my book, which isn't a whole lot. And to me, those film should be disregarded from the canon just like the AVP films, Alien³, and
Alien: Resurrection, if we want to have consistent continuity. You don't have to agree with that sentiment, as it's only my opinion.
And again, you bring up this regeneration thing as if it was in the final film and is canon, when it's not. The early versions of the Xenomorph
has tentacles surely, not in the final film. None of it was. All we can discern that from the actual film itself is that the Xenomorphs are
very powerful, very resilient, and durable creatures, and could feasibly be killed by certain types of weaponry; weaponry that was unavailable to the
Nostromo crew. That's about it. None of this regeneration stuff, none of this tentacle stuff you keep talking about. By your very logic, the little white Drone
Xenomorph that was in one of the early drafts of Aliens is canon too, just because it was in the script.
Onto the Predator. Yes, while the Predators are certainly much more fierce with their gear, but it isn't that much weaker without them. There are plenty
of ways that the Jungle Hunter could have killed Dutch Shaefer without pushing him or punching him. I mean, that punch wasn't even meant as the killing
blow, it was the first blow to knock Dutch off his bearings and start weakening him to make the final blow. One way the Jungle Hunter could have killed
Dutch without the Wrist Blades, would be to simply snap his neck, which is something humans can easily do. Or rip his entire head off, which I'm sure
the Predator is more than capable of.
And you mention Predator 2, with how the City Hunter used his weaponry to fight Harrigan, and not stripping off his weaponry like the Jungle Hunter. And
while that is true, you have to remember the City Hunter is a different individual than the Jungle Hunter. The City Hunter is more about using his entire
arsenal when he can, whereas the Jungle Hunter was able matching his opponent in terms amount of weaponry. In the Jungle Hunter's case, Dutch had
virtually no weaponry or armor on him, so the Jungle Hunter stripped off his weaponry and armor to match him. But the City Hunter probably would not
do this. Just like with Harrigan, the City Hunter probably would have tried to killed Dutch using all of his available weaponry, even when Dutch himself
had very little weaponry at his disposal. The point here is that even though the City Hunter did still use his weapons to hunt Harrigan, even after he was
unmasked, doesn't mean he couldn't have killed Harrigan without it if he decided to.
Lastly, I did concede the Predator being able to rip off a Xenomorph's head without any weaponry was stupid, so I think we can move on from that point.
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Look at James Cameron says about the first AvP: www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnS7C…
For me Alien 3 the assembly cut or director's cut is a very good movie and has that vibe like the first one and is cannon, and i can say that the first three movies from the series are perfect for me.
Alien 3 is a nihilistic and Gothic movie with Kafikian elements in essence with that apocalyptic connotations, very unique and different from the other 2 movies, but at the same time very homogeneous with that universe of Alien.
I know that they have a few scripts that mixed them and create the final draft with some spontaneous improvisations from David Fincher, things that for me made that movie a great one.
I know also that David Fincher hate that movie because the production hateful decisions and fox, intervene in his ideas, but even so the movie is a piece of art, and wold be better if David has more creative liberty.
Alien Resurrection like i said before, has hot spots, its very good visually, and the first 40 minutes of his story are very interesting, but in some parts that comedy and some decisions that the production made, weaken the movie and dissolve that lore and vibe that wee all know from the first three movies.
The idea of cloning Lt Ellen Ripley was a good one, the habitat and the prison bunkers where they keep the Aliens is questionable but interesting in some parts, the thing with the fighting under water was an interesting choice.
A new thing that i like it, was the ability of the xenomorphs to see some gun bluets and evade them, that thing was very interesting and innovating.
The comedy from the movie and the new design of the Newborn i don't like it so much, but the xenos are interesting, are more organic this time then bio-mechanic, and this thing is explained by the designers, that they say this time the aliens have arts of human DNA, and their structure is a litle different from the original one.
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Yes, he did say that. I am not denying that. But then in other interviews, it seems that he walked back
on his statement, stating he actually enjoyed the movie after seeing for himself. And let's think about this
video for a moment. It appears to be at some sort of premiere event. For what movie? I don't know.
It could be for the first AVP (which would be very bad for him, if that was the case). But this comes
across as a statement that he made before actually seeing the damn thing. And before you say, "well
Fox strong-armed him to say that he liked it", I don't think so. I mean he's still very open about his
distain for Alien³, especially when he was asked about Neill Blomkamp's Alien 5 script. So why didn't
Fox strong arm him then? It doesn't really make sense when you think about it.
I don't know, I have yet to see Alien³ or Alien: Resurrection for myself (at least in full). But everything I've seen,
everything I've heard about them, doesn't instill much confidence in me. I mean, I'll say that of the two, I have
more hope for and confidence in Alien³, because it seems like there is some artistry there and some moments that
could be entertaining. Alien: Resurrection just seems like a completely unnecessary movie, that made for a cashgrab.
I don't really like the idea of Ripley being cloned, it just seems very stupid and contrived, especially the way it happens.
And I don't like the idea of Alien being made into a black comedy. So I don't have very high expectations for Resurrection
at all, and I think I will end up disliking it, especially with everything I know now about the franchise and have more context
for things than perhaps I would have if I saw it as kid, which I did, kind of (but only bits and pieces).
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Yikes, you’re taking a lot of hate for this design. Personally, I really like it!! I feel like it’s dumb to go all the way with taking dreads from the predator, as Xenomorphs don’t take on human hair. In my story, my Predalien is exactly that color, so I have a slight bias for that. The fangs are a nice touch, they are features taken from the predator but fit into Xenomorph standards. All in all, lovely job!
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Dude. Not logical. Xenomorphs take form of its host, like Drones have human teeth and are bipedal, Runners are quadrupedal and run fast, like a dog. Predaliens should be like a predator too. Don't try to argue, because this version doesn't make sense. And don't judge
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Man , i will tell you a story about the universe of "Alien"that emerge the all four movies plus ''Prometheus'' ( those that i mention earlier are in the same universe ).
Alien vs Predator is an alternate universe , not the same with the original Alien universe , because is a totally separated idea . Alien vs Predator was a comic book story launched in the late 80's by Dark Horse comics , a corporation that has made some variants for the lore of the movies an alternate scene of the story that involved characters like Alien and Predator .
Characters like the alien runner , drone , predalien are fictive results of the game alien vs predator'that has the seed on comics books . The drone , runner and predalien , do not exist in the original movies because ( the runner is to small and short , the drone is to week and dumb , and the predalien is an concept that do not fit .
In the original movies the xenomorph are big ( 2 m, 2.50 m in height , fore example Alien isolation ) in AvP they are shorter and weaker to all the levels ( strength , power, agility) .
Alien warriors are amazing and apparently they have the power to frighten any creature , in special human beings .
This representation of predaliens is my personal view , and if you do not like it is your opinion ,but this is the variant that i like !
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I don't like the fox Predalien either, but i don't understand why bitched so much about it having mandible and dreadlocks.
If it didn't have those, i'd just be a yellow alien
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This is my predalien - [link]
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it's nice but i see no pred in it at all :/
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It is a predalien , from my point of view .
No drone does not look like a human , and no runner looks like dog or ox , and so the predalien - should not look like a predator , is large, has spikes on his back and shoulders, and mandible has long canines , and has thorns to the chin - for me is all he need !
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Drones have human teeth and skull(albeit enlongated). They walk upright, have human ribs, posable thumbs.
Runners have a dog's leg shape, and aerodynamic form, it's larva(embyro whatever) is born in full form just like a dog's. Humans have to develop arms/legs ect.
The dreads and mandibles are fine. If it was completely black that would've been nice.
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Only an Alien 1979 - the alien warior have a skull of human - in the frontal lobe - from the transparent dome .
In aliens the warriors and the drones have ridged head without human skull - have been some design changes !
In alien resurection (alien 4) the warriors have dome over the head like a runner - without human skull , and the legs are differed - like a leopard .
In alien 3 - the runner has feature is on all fours legs, and when he went walk on two legs .Only when he wanted to kick speed was using all four limbs . The alien runner is emerged from a calf (ox) - in extendet version - and was identical to that which emerged from the dog in theatrical version .
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they ALL have this. The skull has always been there, it's even in the predalien. The runner's dome isn't tranparent so there's no way of knowing.
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In alien resurection they not have human skull - in aliens 1986 - they have ridged head without this human skull - James Cameron said he quit at the original design from 1979 by H.R Giger , and were restored to the new design !
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The dome in Alien RES isn't transparent. It could have the skull, we don't know.
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The alien Runner - [link]
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My version of the Predalien is more realistic and logic .
And my version is not yellow - its green .
An alien XENOMORPH should not have any jaws or dreads , because in alien 3 the host of alien was a bull - in the extended version of Alien 3 ,and the alien did not come out with horns , nor cow hooves !
In Alien 3,the xenomorph (runner) was elegant like a lizard , have extreme speed - and his spines from the back are lacked .
The same phenomenon is happening to the predalien , and his form is like a larger drone with keratin bone armor ( extremely strong exoskeleton ).
The head is smooth and greenish, and the acidic blood is greener and verry corrosive , and have very long maxillary canines .
That is the basic version that I see in predalien from my point of view !
Fox version version is completely wrong and illogical , and seems to be more like a mutant hybrid between predator and alien , than a xenomorph .
Small proportion of aliens differ from each other - dome head , rigid head - and the solider version ( runner ) .
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Aliens take key characteristics from it's host.
Warriors and Drone(human born aliens): Can plan and strategize like us humans can, learn by observation, and are more bipedal than a runner alien which is more quadrepedal like it's host.
Also, the Runner isn't a smart. It outright kills hosts rather than gathering them.
A human is more complex than a dog
so i'd make sense for a warrior/drone to be more complex than a runner
Many predaliens, even before AVP:R, have had dreads and mandibles. I see nothing wrong with the features at all.
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The alien runner its also the santinel of the alien Queen !
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The alien runner is the product of the hosts with four legs - may be ox, dog, lion, tiger, zebra, horse, etc. - with four legs - result the alien runner .
The alien may not take features 100% from the host , he takes very small feature !
The difference between runner and the drone is verry small - the drone has thorns from back , ridged head ,and height of 2 m , pipedical .
The runner - it dosent have thorns on the back - his head is smooth , covered by a dome - is elegant in appearance , and has and has 3 m height , when he stands in bipedal position - and withstand high temperatures - [link]
The Predalien - ought to be like a larger drone with tougher exoskeleton and a greenish appearance - head should be covered by a dome with small ridges and have large canine into the jaw , like in the image !
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The Runner has bright red/reddish-brown skin and digigrade like feet unlike the drone. It was born in full form unlike the drone. It's aerodynamic and mainly quadrupedal unlike the drone. His head is shorter as is his tail. Their are major differences between the drone and runner.
If a facehugger infected any of those host, they'd take characteristics from it. They'd take the ones that make it unique. The lion and horse's mane, the Zebra and tiger's stripes, the dog's aerodynamic form, and the Ox's bulk and horns.
The Predators have been fighting aliens for centuries. I'm sure there have been Predaliens before and I'd make sense they'd take more features from an old host than from a new one.
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The alien runner from alien 3 is higher than a drone .
Its not sow powerful like the drones , but is more resistant than them ,because the drones are scared of fire , and are affected , but the runner resist without problems at high temperatures !
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Runners explode in high tempature.
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Alien runner was very hot , when he emerged from the molten metal - and then Ripley poured over him cold water , because the runner it was is very hot - exploded when the cold water being on him - like a heated glass his broke .
Any hot object breaks when they collide with cold water , or cold air !!
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In all the games they explode when they're own fire.
AVP:E for example
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I speak at the film , not the game !
The game has a lot of mistakes and does not deal with the real aliens from the series , alien 1 , aliens , alien 3 and alien 4 (resurection ) .
In the movies are the real categorisations for this creatures .
I did not speak to you in terms of game - but the classic and original film .
The games are fun , but weak and mediocre from the original series o clasic aliens !
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The games are just as canon as the film and ALL aliens are weak against fire(except the predalien possibly).
AVP:E is spot on and so is AVP3 2010
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Is not true !
In the game aliens vs predator 2 , the xenomorph are small and weak - in the cinematic version of clasic series - i mean the four series - aliens are big and strong - the perfect organism - adapted to the toughest conditions .
The alien runner resist to the fire , and to high temperatures - is a new organism adapted to new conditions - were becoming increasingly resistant after a number of generations .
I do not take after the game , because the game is equal to zero . Actions are taken only from the film , not from the games!
In game the aliens are stupid and weak - in the film, they are classified as the perfect weapon to fight !
I personally do not get after games - because is exaggerated and the story breaks in pieces .
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