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Description A New World Religion

I'm sure all of you, at least those of you who are somewhere near my age bracket, remember kindergarten pretty well. Kindergarten was the first year I was introduced to one of the greatest atrocities to rational thought that became popularized. I fell for it up until about a year or so ago. Environmentalism. It started out innocently enough. "Wash your Dixie cup so you can use it later," I was told. I remember thinking Ms. Hornbacher was crazy but I still did it.

Washing the cup was the first step I took into becoming a devout follower of a rather flawed religion. Yes, I'm referring to Environmentalism is as religion. Environmentalists do believe in a god: Earth. They believe in worshipping said god: doing our duty to keep Earth safe. They even have their own creed: "It is a privilege to live on Earth; it is a responsibility to take care of it." Environmentalists exploit children, weak of mind and still looking forward to impacting the world immensely, and use them as converted souls to further their cause. If you can't draw the parallels between Environmentalism and other organized religions by now you may as well stop reading.

I followed them. After all, it does seem like one of the most noble and great causes you could cook up. Let's save the world from ourselves. If we do that then our children and grandchildren will be able to live in a prettier, healthier, happier world. It's almost like my current religion: Evo-creationist Deism with a tad of Christianity/Islam mix (add a sprig of rosemary for extra flavor).  Had I then the knowledge I have now I wouldn't have gone this path just yet, though. Experiencing it brings it to life in you: you've been lied to.

Just Make a Plane Instead

And this is the biggest reason why. Recycling renewable resources for the purpose of environmental safety is one of the greatest lies or slips of the religion itself. According to the followers, recycling paper helps cause fewer trees to be cut down which is good because the rainforest is dying and many monkeys of unknown species are dying with the rainforest and that's bad because (breath) we need to preserve all of creation. In reality trees are grown on tree farms, monkeys that we didn't know about don't affect our lives now (just like before, wow!) and recycling paper is only a commercial benefit: lowered paper prices.  

Allow me to illustrate. Larry D. Logger cuts and sells trees for a living. The more he sells the more he makes. Unfortunately for Larry, his supply is limited so he can't cut down too many trees or he'll go out of business. If he sells to few he won't make enough revenue. Seeing as his only buyer is a paper company, all of his crop and revenue are hung on the demand of the paper company (Larry's no good at business). If paper is selling well, the paper company will want to make more paper to sell and therefore make more money. Larry's right on the boat with the paper company and he starts cutting and selling like a madman. Of course, Larry likes money as much as everyone else. With his earnings he'll buy saplings to plant, at least two for every one tree cut down. Larry's no good at business but he does know that he has to keep a crop growing in order to stay in business.  Cutting more trees has ended with more trees being planted, therefore more trees being produced. That part of the theory is nixed.

Moving onward, how recycling companies get into the ordeal. Let's say that I decided that I needed more paper. I buy more paper from the store. I use the paper and I recycle it when I'm done. The paper goes to the recycling plant and is then sold back to the store. The paper mill and the logger are not involved initially. But because more paper is available at the store, the paper mill lowers its orders and fewer trees are cut. Fewer trees are planted and the ratio of trees cut to trees planted is smaller (still 1:2 but the number of trees planted is smaller, a bad thing).

Here's the rub, though. Recycling paper means that it goes through fewer companies and is therefore sold fewer times. For those of you who are pro-government, this is bad. Tex revenues from sale and resale diminish and the government suffers from fewer taxes collected. It's good for the consumer, though. The fact that it isn't sold as many times means that the price is going to be lower. Why? Everyone will want to make a profit off of the wood/paper. The logger will sell it at a price so that he can make enough to get saplings and still get a profit. The mill will sell it at a price so that they can buy more logs and still get a profit. The store will try to sell it so that they can buy more paper and still get a profit. Even the recycling company will try to scrounge up a profit. If two of those organization are dropped off the cycle completely the price would drop as well. This is what happens when someone recycles. Unfortunately, recycling is a costly procedure. It would cost maybe 1.5x the amount that the logger or mill would have (separately). Still, that's a lower price. Would you prefer a lower price? Sure! What's the other cost? Fewer trees! Crap.

I’d like to point out that I am not completely against recycling. No, in fact, I’d much rather have people recycle than not. I am, however, against recycling for he purpose of environmental safety. It is a rumor that should be stopped.

The Chrissi Fallacy

Way back when I posted in a forum and dicussed with a girl called Chrissi her beliefs as a vegetarian. In short, she became a vegetarian because she didn’t believe that humans as a whole no longer needed to eat meat. After all, there is plenty of alternative food available for consumption. Another point, made by someone named EB seemed to follow this train of thought: "You know, one serving of meat takes about ten servings of grain to produce." This argument is very sensible but also very limited.

It is true that it takes quite a bit of grain to feed one cow into maturity and then slaughter it for meat. All the grain that went into that one cow could have easily fed many more people. There would be a greater food surplus, prices would drop, and hunger would end. Cows wouldn’t be slaughtered as much, either, because we wouldn’t eat as many. What part of that sounds wrong to you?

For one thing, just because there is a price drop from a surplus does not mean that more people get to eat. Just as many people get food and they get it in larger quantities now. The only difference is the amount they paid for each unit of the food. Although the price of the item has dropped it is still quite hard for a person who is hungry to obtain the item. Why? People who could have afforded it before will snatch it up as the price falls. In reality, it would make much more sense to raise the price of the grain that is being produced than lower it. Now the average consumer will seek lower prices but the poorer person would buy the most easily obtainable package possible. Go ahead and draw the indifference curves, this is true.

There’s another matter, a morally hazardous one, which goes with the issue. Are you more willing to lessen the number of bovine births or create more incentive for potential bovine abuse? If more meat is consumed it is more likely that the breeders will keep their livestock by using inhumane methods (running out of room in your farm therefore cramming the livestock together much too tightly). If less meat is consumed it is more likely that fewer livestock will be bred. This lessens the amount of births in the first place. I choose to cause potential abuse (I don’t have to endure the cost of lost opportunity, just the cost of loss of life. This is assuming that if the livestock were bred that they would be slaughtered and I am not only suffering the loss of the life but the lack of the meat provided).

The Future: Who Really Cares?

Ok, I admit it. I care about the future. My future, at least. I plan on getting rich and having a few children, then moving to a small cottage in Montana. I hope my kids will become as successful as they can be. I can only pray that I’ll never have to retire out of work. Other than that, the future is nothing more than a dream (except maybe World Conquest. That would be nice. Kinda). If we run out of oil supplies within the next generation (and we won’t run out all too soon. If it was going to run out anytime within forecast range why haven’t the oil companies picked up on this and started charging the crap out of the limited resource?) then I guess my kids are going to have a tough time. If we run out of rainforests and many undiscovered species of monkeys die and cannot fulfill their (minor) roles in the ecosystem and my children never get to experience their ugly and frantic tendencies that’s too bad. I don’t care about the little monkeys that we don’t know about. If I don’t know about them and they die would that affect my life too much? Would it affect the lives of my children?

Why should I care about a future in which I do not exist? I will reap no benefits from doing so, not even the benefit of feeling good. I’ll be dead and pleasant emotions are of no use to a cadaver.
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scythemantis [2011-03-14 07:49:43 +0000 UTC]

While you are correct in the truths behind recycling and other misguided endeavors, your outlook in the end is abhorrently callous.

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tainted-heart278 [2008-08-06 23:26:54 +0000 UTC]

First, I would like to note that my love of Nature stems from my childhood on a quaint farm and that I consider myself an environmentalist, though, not one as a product of my generation nor as a product of sensationalism.

A few other quick notes: a) not all environmentally-concerned peoples are atheists (as you imply: "environmentalist do [actually] believe in a god") and b) not all those people are fanatical.

Watch which words you choose
As a malcontented religion-dislike-er, I find it offensive that you are attempting to describe environmentalism as a religion. I believe what you are trying to describe is an ideology's beckoning for one to organize one's life around a particular code of conduct for a certain desired outcome. This definition can be applied to both religion and environmentalism.

Religion's ideology is about requesting a person to modify their behavior in the current world so that they might enjoy benefits in a supposed afterlife. If environmentalists are promoting an ideology, as the "-ism" suggests, then they are desiring modification of human behavior so that the human may benefit in the current world. There just maybe no "pie in the sky" for the environmentalist, unless the particular individual believes their particular Grand Spiritual Force will reward them for maintaining the planet's livability.

While studying philosophy one usually comes across the "Problem of Other Minds". This entails the difficulty of truly and absolutely knowing what another conscious being is thinking. After all, you can converse with them, they can assure you that such and such way is how they feel, but you can never really know what their perspective and inner self is like. Thus, when confronted with the "God" problem, one can never really verify the phenomenon of religious experience because it is internal and therefore unverifiable.

However, environmentalism is based around the concurrence of human minds, trained the world over, about our mind's perception of the physical-ality of how the myriad of particles of our planet interact (i.e. what we consider hard facts about our experiments in chemistry and other sciences).

Brain-washing? More like an attempt at guidance
Authority figures of children have to "force" children to behave in certain ways, simply because they (probably, though not always) have a greater amount of experience.

For example, some humans love fire and like to describe themselves as pyro-maniacs. Yet this doesn't mean that an adult in their childhood shouldn't have taken away the matches. Not only could a child set itself on fire, but it could burn down the house of its parents and ruin a once comfortable living situation for the entire family.

And further, children eventually (and at uneven intervals) mature mentally and begin to question what adults have said to them. But they question the ideals of their parental units, not physical facts about how the ecosystem. (Since your essay centered on a Western perspective, I would like to point out that most people in those countries, young and old, walk around a veritable scientific illiteracy.)


Paper
I don't feel like going in to this so someone else's long answer will suffice.

Vegetarianism
In becoming a vegetarian one isn't necessarily saving animals, (because their muscle fibers are still consumed on a ridiculous scale) but rather that one is withdrawing one's support of the industrial meat farms.

Somewhere behind this idea, is the hope that if enough people withdrew their support from the industry, then the industry would shrink gradually and in this way less animals would be raised, simply because of the Capitalist law of supply and demand.

At any rate, one doesn't necessarily "suffer" from not getting to eat cow. One can obtain protein from other sources, and as well, there has been an increase in the quality of meat substitutes so that chewing the food greatly resembles the pleasurable texture of meat. (As a side note, most people enjoy meat for the sauces served with it.)

"A future in which I do not exist."
Those children you wish to have—their entire generation—will look upon the older generations with much scorn. "Why didn’t you do something to help curb the effects that so many qualified people pointed out to you, especially when there were at least a few easy steps?" "Why did you cut our lives short at the expense of your pleasure?"

In 6.5 billion years, the Sun will expand to the Red Giant stage of its evolution, and swell to engulf the inner planets' orbits. A million or so years before this, everything on Earth (assuming there is something) will have died. Why fucking do anything? Why not fuck your brains out with the delight of no condom even if it left a slew of children behind you? Why not inject into your system whatever gives you the best rush? Why not utilize the enjoyable ways to destroy your body and remove your consciousness from this world?

Other humans without this mentality and with emotional connection to you will miss interacting with you?

You may suddenly realize that you’d rather live your life with installations of pleasure rather than great bursts because the lows after the grand ruptures of bliss ache so greatly?

Maybe you do have a right to the afore-mentioned (pleasurable) suicide, but while alive you are a member of a planet and don’t get to (as a collective of squandering) pull down the rest of our globe.

In your old age, which would you prefer pleasure-seeker: to die in a hospital or to die in an armed conflict over a rare source of fresh water? Death-bed or violent clash?

If eventually all things die, then why not cling to what life you have?

Yes, I seek pleasure and wish to avoid pain, as is natural. However, long-term pleasure is what I would desire. If for no other reason than that I quake before violence and wish to do everything I can to avoid it.

All this being said, one cannot coerce other humans to act in certain ways (most would call that fascism or at least abusive). But, I can go about trying to make rational arguments as to why I believe those behaviors will reward the individual in the here and now, even if they have to have ‘faith’ that the air quality has improved (or etc).

Even if you think I am an eco-fascist, then I’m at least kind enough to offer you the alternative of so-called Lazy Environmentalism .

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MountainWolf314 [2008-07-05 01:28:34 +0000 UTC]

One-sided, hell yes. You know, if it ever were a religion, it would be one that actually saves our asses for real, and not in some paradisiac realm.
But, agreed on a point. To have some actual impact on public opinion, we need to focus media coverage more on the actual effects on humans and less on the poor little monkeys and whatever, as much as I love then XD
Teh. As much of an enviro-mental-ist as I am, your views offer a nice realistic touch some Green Party militants really need.

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naught101 [2008-01-07 02:46:14 +0000 UTC]

Re: monkeys that we didn't know about don't affect our lives now

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