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Published: 2017-04-15 15:36:08 +0000 UTC; Views: 31958; Favourites: 364; Downloads: 53
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"I'm back." -- Misha 2016
Papyrus seems grumpy. By the way, UndertaleComicTV did a wonderful comic dub of chapter 1! Watch it here .
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The original story by Unrestedjade can be found here: archiveofourown.org/works/5056…
Shoutout to EarthXXII for helping with coloring.
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Comments: 53
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Smh, he needs to get the diamond armor so he can fight the ender dragon. Not this gay AF Iron Armor
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just tell sans what's going on and you two go kick flowey's ass!!
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hmmm, youre right!
paps, maybe you should have a chat with sans about your F R I E N D...
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I really love the way you draw the skelebros, they look alot like their actual game sprites. In short they look absolutely amazing!
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I love your art style and expressions! I like how sans face kinda stays the same like in the game. If you want it to be more expressive thats cool too. Either way it would still look good. But I would suggest expressing sans with more of his eyes and "eyebrows" or whatever those lines are xD just to kinda help out on showing how he feels. Idk
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I like your suggestion, and it's actually along the same train of thought I've been having when looking at this page again. Even if Sans will stay smiling most of the time, I'm definitely gonna try harder to make his eyes more expressive. After all, there's no point to showing a character visually if they stay the same all the time; nothing is added to the story. So thank you!
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Sans wears socks in his slippers.
The second and third panels are amazing.
It's a little odd seeing an artist who does Pappy's facial expressions better than Sans's. Sans really does look like he's wearing a mask much of the time here, or is that intentional?
Again, I love Pappy's eyes. It's hard to do expressive eyes without pupils.
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Oh. My. God. I forgot the socks. Thank you for pointing that out, and thank you for the kind words!
Yeah the way Sans is smiling all the time makes him look like he's wearing a mask. I think if I continue like this it could get a bit creepy, so I might make his face a bit more flexible after this. But I want to somewhat match his lack of facial expressiveness like in-game; I think it makes sense for him to hide things from his brother, so he's wearing his "mask" even here.
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Actually looking back on the fight scene, Sans and Pappy talk about their magic later in the story when Sans shows Pappy the blasters. They straight up say that they look oddly solid, that they shouldn't be so solid or real-looking if they're a magic attack, as even their magic weapon-bones have a non-solid look or quality to them. Just a thought. I reread the fic recently and then just now started rereading your comic and noticing that Pappy's bones just look like bones in the fight bits.
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ANOTHER excellent point! Gosh you should be my editor or something. I'll probably retcon that the next time bones show up. Retconning will become a theme in this comic I suspect... mostly due to my laziness. Anyway, thank you!
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Uh... Sure! I'd be honored, really. PM me and I'll give you my email and Skype contact details?
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Uh. If your goal is to make Sans identical to in the game? He also wears mittens. You can see them in his fight. OR the detail level of the game made drawing skelly hands difficult and Toby was lazy with him. Again, your call. Your story mate.
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Yeah, I want him to be as canonically accurate as possible. I'll probably have him wear mittens when he's outside, can't miss an opportunity to draw complicated skeleton hands amirite?
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As for facial expressions, the whole "Mask" look, you've got down, but with that being his default look any kind of expressions will be difficult without a drastic style change.
Try um... making his "default" grin a little less wide and make his eyesockets a little larger, proportionally? That way if you want his grin to suddenly be... more? People will notice a difference, and you'll have more wiggle room for expressiveness with just his eyes without having to do much with his teeth. Oh, and try to limit yourself to six teeth, a lot of people go with either six or four, it makes it easier to keep his face consistent.
I realized I commented on your original drawing where you said you were trying to standardize how you draw him, and that wide, skinny grin... I didn't realize you meant that to be his neutral look, there, I thought you were going for "timid and sheepish"
I finally, finally posted a drawing or two of Sans that I did. Finally. My art style is drastically different from yours, but the same principals all apply to Sans.
Yeah I don't have a tablet or any fancy art programs... I only got pen and paper, heh. Have a look and tell me what ya think?
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Well don't retcon or just add them to the next page, wait 'till the next scene altogether, it's not a big dealie and since he just woke up you can always just pretend he forgot them... Oh wait you had him in socks in the comic directly before this, like with a closeup in his feet, even. Yeah, you should totally fix that.
Also, Sans's grin does change shape rather noticeably with one of his expressions, the one he makes when Chara finally hits him. The lights in his eyes get tiny (suggesting they can dilate like a normal eye's iris), the grin gets thinner and the dimples completely disappear.
A little suggestion on the socks front.
Pappy always says Sans has a sock collection, but we only ever see him with grey socks, possibly because it was too much fuss to detail something so tiny in a 16-bit game. People who collect socks tend to like different kinds, lots of fun socks. Sans is TOTALLY the type who would wear odd socks on purpose, too, if you wanna play with that on one of his less lazy days.
I've read through the entirety of this story before and even downloaded it off AO3. It's one of the best, tibia honest.
I've seen people make comics of the brothers' fight scene before, but not try to comic-ify the entire story.
Good luck mate! And don't be afraid to take a liberty here or there with things. The game's imagery is very limited to begin with, and while you might not have written the original, this is your version of Flowey-Coach (yeah hard to shorten that name) and visual storytelling often means that some things don't work. Like for example that scene with the skellies sticking their fingers in their mouths because peanut butter. How are you going to draw Sans with his mouth open in this style? Just a thought. I can't imagine Sans without a tongue, his mouth looks bizarre open without one since he has eyes and all, but the scene literally revolves around the lack of one, heh.
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Sorry for the late response. First of all, I absolutely love the sock suggestion -- I think I might use that sometime. I'll try to remember to credit you for the idea if it shows up.
So Sans can move his grin in-game... I love the detail Toby Fox puts into his characters. For most of the game you think that Sans can't help but smile, but then you find out that he can move his mouth somewhat. It adds even more interest to an already fascinating character, and is a godsend for fan-artists.
Looking at your comments, I feel like you've actually put more thought into this than I have lol. I completely forgot about the peanut butter scene; that will definitely be interesting to show... I can't even imagine Sans with his mouth open, it feels like it would go against the laws of physics or something. I need to figure out what to do with that.
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Eh, this is your version of the story mate. You don't have to stick to the script like glue, some things don't work out perfectly in a visual story style.
Personally I find it really hard to imagine the brothers without tongues or Sans without the ability to open his mouth. And not for any pervy reasons, either. They just seem to make more sense like that. After all, without a tongue, you kinda can't SWALLOW. I can accept that it's being swallowed into his magic aura or something, or dispersed into their beings, but it's hard to accept that they have to CHEW and not have some crucial step as a part of that linking into processing the food somehow... I mean, without a tongue to manipulate the food, they'd literally have to eat like a pair of SHARKS, but they clearly don't. I like to imagine that peanut-butter scene as just barely corporeal, magic tongues are kind of useless for things like scraping, not that they don't have those parts at all.
If you imagine Sans with a severe overbite, it suddenly becomes easy to get his mouth open realistically, even give him slightly pointed canine teeth (At first I assumed people did this because it was sexy or something, but then I tried drawing him with his mouth open without them and... he just... it becomes really hard to tell where his teeth end without those points breaking up the solid line)
It's actually stated by Toby Fox at... somewhere, I forget, that Sans has lips, like in passing, apparently he can drink through a straw without issue? It was in reference to that. So malleable boney lips or something. It really does make perfect sense when you consider that Sans and Pappy can both close their eye-sockets, aye? How the heck else is Sans gonna eat?
Oh here! This drawing someone showed me. I have NO IDEA who the original artist is, but this is the only "realistic" portrait of Sans I've ever seen that looks like him, as in it keeps his facial expressions and feelings intact somehow. You can see how the artist envisioned his jaw working from the creases in the bone. I still have no idea who drew this, I wish I could locate the artist to give credit, but it's beautiful is it not?
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Looking at Sans I can't help but think of his face like a mask... but that was the point of why he always smiles in the game The mask! Well done
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Thank you, I've actually been struggling with deciding how expressive his face should be. Like you said, in-game his face is virtually a mask, and I wanted to match that in this comic. I'll probably make his face more expressive later, but I'm glad you appreciate the thought behind his design so far!
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His grin is mask-like, but his eyesockets are incredibly expressive, especially on his fight model. He even has a bottom eyelid that can raise up halfway to make it look like he's grinning hard enough to crinkle his cheeks. A buddy of mine looking at a screen shot said it looks like he's thinking dirty thoughts with that look, lol.
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Papyrus' expressions are top notch. It's so sad to see him that way, but it's clear that Sans notices that too. I really like how you stick with Sans' face that is alike the one in the game.
And that new armor! Yay! Waaaay too big for our tall fella.
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welcome to real life Pap..where someone will broke u
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....the feels begin now...
preparing tissues and cuddly stuffed animals...
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DUDE i feel the same way tbh
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Passive agressive Paps~ man, i cant remember much of the written one anymore, but i have the feeling that we're nearning family drama chapters haha... *sobs
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Pissed Pap is me all the time. I think that says something about me as a person. A thing that's not good. XD
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I HAVE HANG-OVER WOOOOO
I'VE BEEN DRINKING TOO MUCH FOR SUUUUURE
yeah sorry
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Besides the story and everything, something about seen Papyrus in a real armor and now in his lovely battle body just breaks my hearth
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something about the way you draw feels so real, I love it, one can't help but be totally dragged into the scene, wow!!
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Hooo boy... like I know what's going to happen but at the same time I'm like "NO PAPYRUS STOOOP"
I really like how you handled their expressions on panels 2 and 3--by hiding their mouths, the expressions feel sharper. Papyrus's remark feels more cutting and Sans's surprise is more evident--the colors in the background (darkness around Papyrus, light blue around Sans) help emphasize it too. Not that Sans is totally shocked though--it feels like more "woah, okay, he's not happy this morning."
Boy, that armor looks like it would be a pain to put on, but IT LOOKS COOOOOOL. I love the shading on it!
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I'm sorry for the late response <:3
Yeah, I wonder how those panels would have looked if their mouths had been showing. Their eyes are definitely the windows to their souls. I'm glad you liked the coloring; I feel like I've been struggling with picking the "right" colors lately, and it's probably all in my head and I'm putting invisible restrictions on myself, because there are no "right" colors. So that's something I've been working hard to figure out.
Yay I'm so happy you like the armor! Papyrus definitely looks good in armor; it's a shame he never wore it canonically (except in some of the neutral endings maybe?). Soon I'll post the reference sheet I made for it.
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I know perfectly what happens in the next scene and you are making so a good job of depicting Papyrus expression slowly going into it.
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I know what's going to happen, and I'm anticipating it like nobody's business. XD
Oh, pardon me. No body's business. (I'm sorry lmao)
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Haha I love this comment. XD
Nah, I'm just a person wh really enjoys her puns.
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It was pretty rude. Flowey definitely has a bad influence on him.
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ME TOO. ME TOO. HOLD ME.
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