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I actually did this one pretty quickly. I think I’m forced to go quicker with Copics that my digital paintings. Mostly because once the marker goes down, you can’t change it or fuss over it.
Ok, So I’m happy and unhappy with this. One, I sort of feel that the clothing they are wearing is a little “out of character.” I think Integra would probably choose a much slimmer, less frilly looking wedding gown. I actually *had* a slimmer mermaid shaped version of this intended but the bustle dress made the whole illustration better in my opinion. But I think the striped design was a good choice for this gown for her. Also, the wing design on Alucard’s suit-I feel it’s a little on the “young” side. If I were to re-do this, I think I might give Alucard a more sleek or cool expression on his face and hairstyle. I gave him his typical mischievous grin that seems to be his signature. XD
But I’m happy with the overall effect of the picture. I’ve got to give some credit to this awesome artist on DA , she has a FANTASTIC tutorial on copics that I used as a reference for this. One of the reasons I got into Copics was because of her art! :3 And of course God, who has given me all the means to do my work, whom all of my artwork is dedicated to (hence the screen name)
Comments/Critiques are always welcome!
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Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love it!!! The badass Alucard looks so triumphant in finally hooking and reeling her in. 
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Thank you so much. ^_^
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I love the clothes and everything! Very,very cool! :3
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Thanks so much! ^_^
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You are most welcome! ^.^
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Thank you to those who actually gave a shit about being humble artists and not egomaniacs... amazing to know that not everyone here is an asshole.
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Thank you very much! I have a love for victorian clothing.
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you're welcome!
and yes! I think they have such a sense of style. <3
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Stagsleap
While I am sure you did not mean to be offensive to For He Who Is Grand, it is hard to be anything but. She worked very hard on this piece and, if you would have read her description a little more closely, you would have clearly seen that she openly credited the original artist and admires her work. In a sense she did a fan art piece for eecafe. If you have to say to someone that they should not feel attacked, most likely that is how they are going to feel. There is a difference between an intellectual, well meaning, critique and just being rude; I believe that you crossed into the latter boundary. Please be more mindful of how you address people, and use more forethought on your critiques because it makes you look egotistical.
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We are human beings, not human doings. If an error was made, an error was made, however, I'm fairly certain that the artist in question can answer the question presented for themselves, and don't need a bunch of white knights rushing in for them, however well intentioned. It's pretty obvious with a rough glance through the gallery that they're heavily inspired by something they're looking at while drawing.
This is noticeable in amateur artists when their line quality and confidence are all over the map and there's little consistency. It's not a bad thing, but I can see why the piece raised some red flags. Methinks it's time to move on
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I am very certain of her ability to defend herself and ability to debate the politeness of any one person who critiques her art. I do not appreciate people who are passive aggressively rude as you are being. We are all artists and your pieces might look amateur to many as well. The differences between polite people and rude people is finding a better way to express concerns about a piece. The critiques that this artist is welcoming is to help her grow, not discourage her from practicing as your comments might do. I believe she is far beyond what your "opinion" states as amateur. Other artists left perfectly helpful and supportive critiques; a reminder to those that lack common decency that it should not be a dead part of society. Although I am not a visual artist, I can recognize errors in her piece but I can also appreciate her specific styles. The ability to provide a intellectual critique is all about putting actual thought into the words you say, not that difficult... Passively putting down For He Who Is Grand's work is not a helpful critique it is simply rude. So methinks you need to purchase a book of manners and stop believing that you are so self important to judge others pieces of art and just keep your unhelpful comments to yourself.
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Congratulations, Sir White Knight, for again proving my point.
There is a very basic lack of fundamentals in this and other pieces, so yes... the artist is an amateur, and please don't put words in my mouth, I never called their artwork bad by calling it amateur, since that's what you're insinuating. There are simply characteristics of people who are amateurs that mark them as such. It means they are learning. I never knew this was a bad thing. Silly me.
What IS passive aggressive is your holier than thou attitude to someone who left a comment on artwork that they thought they recognized from somewhere else. If you'd like to tell me you've lived the entirety of your life without ever making a mistake, then I will apologize.
Though the record? On second glance, I spy a few sections of this piece that are directly copied from the original in question, something I missed at first glance, so Stagsleap does have a point. But hey, if you want to continue rallying a battle cry to a war that doesn't even exist, be my guest.
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Alright, it’s time to blow the whistle on this. This has gotten out of hand, and downright petty.
*Grumpy Goat, I’d like to remind you of what I told *Stagsleep in response to what you said about being directly copied- I used a tutorial posted by iconcartoongirl7:. If we have to break it down, which sadly seems to be necessary, I will list what exactly what was used.
1. The pattern on the shawl is the same as the fabric that was used on the swag of the other dress.
2. The style of veil.
3. The rose petals in the air.
I’m sure other things could be pulled out, such as the idea of using wings on the back coat (even though they are completely different) and the choice of using reds and blacks. But I feel that these things were used so fundamentally differently from the original that they don’t need to be listed. But go ahead and throw them on there if necessarily felt. It still fails to address that I have openly said that I used her work as inspiration and *used**her*tutorial.* It was fully intentional to do this from the beginning, I haven’t tried to slip this under the rug. *sigh*
So that my point is better understood, lets make another comparison. If I had painted my portrait in the style of DaVinci’s Mona Lisa, it would be obvious who’s work that I had used. By no means would I be trying to say “This concept was 100% mine.” It would be obvious, and therefore being so, would probably not incur as much attention as this has gotten. Then, having done said painting, fan art, whatever-I could use the techniques in later works, which I intend to do so.
I’d like to add that I find it curious being called an amateur. I am thoroughly aware that I have things to learn and improve upon in my artwork, and as you stated, have intentionally been working on the quality of my line art. However, as an experienced artist, you should know that not *one* artist ever stops learning, and if the idea of amateur was ever “someone who has things to learn” then that would include every artist that has ever lived. I think it’s pretty obvious that calling someone an amateur is intended to be insulting, I mean, come on, really. :/ “A person inexperienced or unskilled in a particular activity.” is how dictionary.com defines it. I, in my opinion, do not fall into either the categories of “inexperienced” or “unskilled.” Plainly pointing out that I am not at the level yet that :cartoongirl7: is in her Copics, I’d like to add as well that if this piece had been poorly executed, it probably would have been blown off without regard. Apparently, I did SOMETHING right.
In retrospect, you’ve said that one of the characteristics of being an amateur is mimicking other’s work. While I understand that you may be calling me this, please understand that in doing so you are also calling *stag sleep’s work the same thing, which I don’t appreciate, even if she has a different opinion than mine, she has some beautiful things in her gallery.
I have to say that the idea of “critique” has been thoroughly abused. It doesn’t take much to understand that some previous comments had malicious intent-the only thing a person need do to understand this is to ask themselves “What is this person trying to accomplish by saying this?” Critiques should always be used to bring an artist up, to inspire them to do better, and to help them learn. While the comments that read “Hey, this is great!” are always something to smile at, it’s truly the opinions such as “I think your line weight should be heavier/lighter here.” or “You need more contrast in the lighting of the skin” that help us grow. I completely welcome these opinions that have no malicious intent and only pure intent to help behind them.
While this request probably won’t be honored, I’d truly appreciate this to stop. I truly did as *What-life-means stated-I worked hard on this, and all of this feels very discrediting to my hours of work on it. If you’d like to help me by giving some honest advice on how to improve my work, I’d like to invite you to do so. If not, I wish you good luck on all of your artistic endeavors.
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I gladly take on the title of White Knight if it is for the intention of good. I do not believe that I am better or worse than any one person; however I do try to be polite when addressing others unless provoked. It is a shame that this got to be where it is, because you and Stagsleap seem to share the same lack of ability to critique things without being rude. If you TRULY had intended to not create a "war" then you would have kept comments to yourself and let it lie. Be that as it may, your comments simply insinuated further that you are a sneaky writer who believes using pretty words will mask the negative connotations present in your use of "amateur" towards For He Who Is Grand. I am very good at this myself, so I can easily recognize it. To F.H.W.I.G., I sincerely apologize that this got out of hand. I just believe that you worked hard and deserved the recognition for it. Despite others comments I recognize that you have talent and that you are not an amateur. The use of this word in any field is hardly ever used as a positive title. I want you to know that I do not believe this about your work. People who use it against you, are simply ridiculous and should be ignored. They are the type of people who come on to sites to just be petty and put others down. I appreciate your work, and I appreciate that you credit the artist who inspired you. Unlike Stagsleap, who clearly copied Bambi and had the gall to say anything about copying or grumpygoat who copied the artist who created Wonder Woman, you shine in comparison for your humble appreciation of the artists work. grumpygoat/stagsleap well done on being model hypocrites. And as a writer, I conclude my story with... THE END
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Just so you know... this is the definition of amateur, directly from the dictionary:
am·a·teur
/ˈæməˌtʃʊər, -tʃər, -tər, ˌæməˈtɜr/ Show Spelled[am-uh-choor, -cher, -ter, am-uh-tur] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a person who engages in a study, sport, or other activity for pleasure rather than for financial benefit or professional reasons. Compare professional.
2.
an athlete who has never competed for payment or for a monetary prize.
3.
a person inexperienced or unskilled in a particular activity: Hunting lions is not for amateurs.
4.
a person who admires something; devotee; fan: an amateur of the cinema.
The third definition is the only one that may indeed be taken as negative. The rest are certainly not.
However, as talent has absolutely nothing to do with art (if you don't use it, you lose it) and skills are things you can improve (with hard work, practice, and study), then the absolutely worst possible meaning it could ever have would just be to say that "there is room for improvement" or that they are learning. And... I personally would be so bold as to say that most of us fit that ticket. xD Art is a process, not a destination.
Also, critique:
1.
an article or essay criticizing a literary or other work; detailed evaluation; review.
2.
a criticism or critical comment on some problem, subject, etc.
3.
the art or practice of criticism.
Nowhere in that definition does it imply that critique must include praise or that it must be helpful. A critique can be simply "it sucks" or a laundry list of what's wrong. What you are referring to is -constructive- critique which is a little different. I admit there are a lot of comments on the web that could simply be seen as a form of ad hominen attack. However, most ARE trying to be helpful, even if it's in a roundabout manner. And even those that are not, positive feedback can be gleaned from them as well.
Ex) "That nose looks like Frankenstein".
You can chose to be offended, or you can use the statement to re-evaluate the work. If it's obvious that the person doesn't know what the crap they're talking about (perhaps you draw dainty small noses), then you calmly move on and tell them thanks. If it does have merit (the nose actually DOES look like that), then you learned something useful. Perhaps you're now inspired to do a bunch of nose studies and learn how to draw them better. So effectively you took a comment that was negative and used it for something positive. Go you!
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Another comment that makes me wish DA would add a "Like" button as Facebook has.
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XD I second this notion, I was wishing for one earlier.
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Wow! So much detail, and I love the coloring of the veil!
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Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed!
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You bet I enjoy it! I'd love to print it out and put it on my Hellsing/Alucard Shrine, with your permission of course!
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I'd be happy to offer you a reasonable price for a beautifully printed copy without a watermark, available in a larger size too!
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I shall note you once I pony up the cash!
In the meantime I will enjoy it on my computer screen!
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No worries! Just let me know if you're ever interested and i'll have it ready for you asap!
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So amazing, their faces, the colors <3 And I love the design on Alucard's jacket, all those details make it so perfect.
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Thank you very much! I love adding in lots of details so that your eye can wander for a long time and find new things. ^_^
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I adore the outfit designs.I love all the small details you have put in this picture<3The coloring is gorgeous as well.Alucard's face could use a little bit of adjustment,but other than that the artwork is simply beautiful~
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Yes, that head angle is very tricky to do! I agree, next time i do a back pose, i'll have to pay extra attention to it so it looks a little more natural.
And thank you very much!
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Well....immediately after seeing the thumbnail I knew this was "My Only Night" by CartoonGirl7. :\
While it is always good and healthy to be inspired by another artist and practice the techniques they use, it is not a very...er, wise decision to copy one of their illustrations and put in on public display. Sure, you changed a few things around, but on the whole the entire concept and execution are credited to CartoonGirl7.
What you need to try to grow as an artist is to start collecting and properly using reference. That doesn't mean you eyeball a picture and reproduce it, but instead you use multiple stock images, textures, effects, and details to create a picture that does not resemble anything else. You use a head from one model, the torso of another, the legs from another. Eyeballing a photo and changing just an arm is not proper referencing either.
Don't feel as if I'm attacking you - it's just that this piece looks almost exactly like another person's creation.
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I replied to this "critique" in an above post.
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Yes, i did use 's work as a reference. I did make it clear in the description that i used her tutorial and work as a reference. I did also post on the tutorial she has- that i was inspired from her piece, and wanted to use it to learn, as well as a link to the finished work.
While this is strikingly similar to "My only knight," I do personally feel that it has more than a few differences. Namely, if you took the veil away, and perhaps the petals, i don't think there would be too much of a question about it. Also that they’re completely different characters that bear no simulates in features-facial expressions, or even hair color. If you compare the two, the characters are actually in different poses (something of which I struggled on this piece for some time with getting it on how I wanted it). I think that it should also be taken into consideration that both pieces are technically fan art of yet another artist’s work. But I completely understand where you are coming from and your opinion.
I don't think it's a bad thing to use someone's tutorial to learn from, especially if you give them credit. In fact, I’ve had someone use some of my own work as a reference to their own work, which I’m perfectly ok with. I was flattered that they found my work so inspiring they wanted to try it out for themselves. I do feel that credit should ALWAYS be given to the artist whom inspired you. is an EXTREMLY talented artist, and by no means would i ever do anything that i felt was disrespectful to her.
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I know I shared this with you elsewhere, but I felt in light of the arguments here, it was important for others to see as well.
While at the Seattle Asian Art Museum yesterday, my husband showed me one of his favorite pieces ever. He was so excited to see it in person. The piece was a woodblock print by Utagawa Hiroshige called "Sudden Rain at Atake." The reason I want you to look at this link, is because the image on the left is Hiroshige's print. The image on the right...is Vincent Van Gogh's reproduction of the same image. He was so influenced and inspired by this artist, that he mimicked his style and redrew the painting himself. He painted this in 1887. Vincent died in 1890, so he was, by far--NOT an amateur at the time he painted this. Within months he completed "The Sunflowers". It should also be noted that Van Gogh never ceased to improve his skills and to broaden his range of styles and interests until he died.
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Other than the basic (and I mean VERY basic) pose and the Victorian style clothing I see no where near enough of a resemblance to the "original" piece for anyone get into a fuss over it. When it comes to fan-art in general I rarely see anything BUT reproductions of other people's artwork. And not knowing this *Stagsleap I cannot comment on her drawings but her gallery is quite heavy with cosplay imagery which, by nature is mimicry.
Obviously her idea of "almost exactly" and my idea differ greatly. The artistic style is significantly different. The use of color is significantly varied in style. I've spent years attending art classes, graduated from an art college and I've had more than one professor that encouraged using works we admire as a form of practice. It was repeated that by practicing the works of others it helps us to determine what it is in those works that appeals to us and better trains our muscle memory, no differently than a music student playing other musicians' compositions long before ever writing their own.
You credited the source of your inspiration and I see no efforts on your part to make money from this, so I say disregard the nay-sayers and keep practicing in whatever fashion keeps you drawing, because that's the most important part - that you keep doing what you enjoy, keep improving and keep trying new things.
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Beautiful coloring, love her dress and Alucards coat looks awesome.
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Thank you very much!
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OAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DUDE.
The coloring on this is magnificent!!!
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