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SirTyrannosaur In reply to Nakkir [2022-05-17 04:19:47 +0000 UTC]

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unlyricaldan In reply to 12monkehs [2019-11-28 17:03:11 +0000 UTC]

nah he just wants to smooch someone

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IndoraptorOrionfan19 In reply to 12monkehs [2018-12-14 03:11:54 +0000 UTC]

Is there any evidence you have to back that up? Just saying.

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12monkehs In reply to IndoraptorOrionfan19 [2018-12-14 03:24:08 +0000 UTC]

www.nature.com/articles/s41598…

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Pendragon276 In reply to 12monkehs [2019-11-16 07:49:12 +0000 UTC]

Just gonna point out there's nothing about that article implies a lack of lips whatsoever despite the fact it’s constantly cited to bolster that argument. It never makes the claim that this discovery proves a lack of extra oral tissue covering, just the opposite in fact. The mistake people keep making is in believing that the presence of ISO’s/neurovasculature in the premaxilla and maxilla of Neovenator are somehow incompatible with an oral seal (e.g. “lips) when that doesn’t even really hold true for living animals, particularly other sauropsids, it just means that the integument surface there was adept at giving off sensory input. Interestingly according to the authors of the paper their data is actually indicative of squamate-like extra oral tissue (though this isn't built upon too much in the journal itself) 

The 2017 Neovenator paper was written by Chris barker, Darren Naish and colleagues. Both have agreed that their findings are actually indicative of not only the animal bashing a rather touch of sensitive face but also Squamate-like oral tissue complete with coveted teeth. It’s part of the reason why the signature illustration accompanying the study (drawn by Darren Naish himself) boasts a depiction of N.salerii with lips. In a blog post on ScientificAmerican Naish elaborates on their findings in the paper and even touched upon the conclusions that Thomas Carr presented in regards to daspletosaurus :

“The connection of the channels with external foramina known in living reptiles to be the passageways for nerves, their separation from the pneumatic system, their overall morphology and size, and their position relative to the facial features of living reptiles all show that these structures correspond to parts of the nervous system – we think that they’re branches of the trigeminal nerve, in particular the ophthalmic and maxillary divisions (Barker et al. 2017)”

“Does any of this mean anything in particular as goes the life appearance of Neovenator? Those of you familiar with the extinct archosaur research community will be aware of the never-ending debate on dinosaur facial tissues and on whether they had ‘lips’, ‘cheeks’ and other such structures. The latest contribution on this subject was published just a few weeks ago and concerned the new tyrannosaurid species Daspletosaurus horneri (Carr et al. 2017). Therein, it was argued that a rugose skull surface texture – extending all the way to the jaw edges – was linked with scalation and an absence of ‘lips’. There’s an aside I have to cover here: Carr et al. (2017) argued that tyrannosaurids were crocodylian-like in having a face covered by “many flat scales”, and they said that the rows of foramina on crocodylian skulls are correlated with “a scaly integument”. This isn’t quite right. The structures that look like scales on a crocodylian face actually represent polygonal cracking of a highly keratinised skin (Milinkovitch et al. 2013). If, ergo, tyrannosaurids shared such a highly keratinised skin with crocodylians, would their very differently shaped skulls generate the same sort of polygonal cracking, and would that cracking – if present – be distributed in the same manner? Large keratinous sheets on the altirostral snout of a big theropod (‘altirostral’ = narrow and tall-sided) might result in a very different look. I’ll leave this matter alone for now.” blogs.scientificamerican.com/t…

Earlier this year in a post on Twitter both Naish and barker publicly stated their agreement on the implications of their Neovenator saying that their data indicates both Squamate like facial integument (true scales) and oral tissue (including lips). twitter.com/tetzoo/status/1114…

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12monkehs In reply to Pendragon276 [2019-11-16 19:38:38 +0000 UTC]

Jesus

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FredtheDinosaurman In reply to 9Weegee [2017-12-11 17:55:52 +0000 UTC]

Do we evidence for anything else? 

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12monkehs In reply to FredtheDinosaurman [2018-07-19 23:05:32 +0000 UTC]

BURNT

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rhe416 In reply to FredtheDinosaurman [2018-02-19 01:07:57 +0000 UTC]

ZING!!  

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9Weegee In reply to FredtheDinosaurman [2017-12-11 19:01:35 +0000 UTC]

no. 

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Covelloraptor In reply to Evodolka [2017-11-01 16:09:40 +0000 UTC]

I hope you don't mind mre asking but do you do requests?

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Evodolka In reply to Covelloraptor [2017-11-01 17:49:39 +0000 UTC]

me?
personally no
but thanks for asking

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Covelloraptor In reply to Evodolka [2017-11-01 16:08:30 +0000 UTC]

Very cool

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Evodolka In reply to Covelloraptor [2017-11-01 17:49:51 +0000 UTC]

agreed this image IS very cool

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