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This one's downloadable for a larger size.Harlequin does not occur in Merle. On the other hand, most of the Merles around here are Tweed, and I thought it was worth mentioning. Despite the double Tweed theory, you still shouldn't breed a homozygous Tweed to another because the Tweed gene may fail to be inherited and you will be stuck with a double pure Merle.
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Descutner+025_edited (For the anatomy, since none of my capos have the anatomy of the ones on the sheet.)Capo Cane d'Italia © =CapoKing
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If Merle only affects black pigment, why are there such a thing as red Merle's?
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And how can Merle affect liver if it is only supposed to affect black?
Also double merle IS termed "lethal white" as seen here: [link]
Plus the bottom dog on the left is no where near a double Merle as his color isn't diluted in the slightest. Merle is a dilution gene therefore dilutes the pigmentation of the color.
It is also important to note piebald is different because it is white covering not diluting the color - which you haven't mentioned here.
I would really like links to your genetic references because some of the information here I can't find evidence for (like lethal whites are only for horses,).
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Found a good one ^^ [link]
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"Red merle" is the name for a liver merle. "Blue merle" are also genetically black, not blue. Blue is the dilution of black; the blue merle would look grey with paler grey merle-ing. The closest thing to a true red merle is a sable merle . Sable is black-pigment tipping red hairs. The black pigment which is unaffected by merle is dark, while the parts that are diluted by the merle look lighter and you probably wouldn't notice it unless you take an individual hair from the lighter bits of the dog and notice the grey tip.
Black pigment is called eumelanin. Red pigment is called phalomelanin. Liver and blue are both variations in eumelanin distribution. Isabella happens when a dog is both liver and blue. And since we're talking about capos, mafia red is also a black color.
The site states it itself. "These dogs are also sometimes (inaccurately) referred to as lethal whites (this is considered by many to be a derogatory term)." Here's the Wikipedia article on lethal white and what it does and the specific symptoms. The term "lethal white" in dogs is inaccurate and is simply people using the incorrect terminology.
Merle dilutes areas of the coat, not the whole coat--greying and blue do that. The extension of the double-merle can vary. Eli is a double merle herself. Most the dogs you can find probably also have white irish to account for some of that excessive white.
I did say that on the Double Merle vs Piebald. "That is not a piebald dog. All that white is actually an extreme shade of merle dilution."
The site you gave me said it itself. But I also found this one because it gives you another explanation.
If there is anything that is a true equivalent to the lethal white of horses, it is double harlequin, except that foals are usually born and then die when the mother is no longer cleaning their system of impurities (they have no anus), and the double harlequin pups die well before birth, so nobody is quite sure what they should look like.
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"white covering" or in genetics terms lack of pigmentation.
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Sorry, I'm a bit lost .-.;;; Is this your breed, or CapoKing's? xD; Or are both accounts yours? c:
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It's CapoKing's breed. I'm just here to explain a smidgen about genetics and color names. CK is learning, too XD I introduced CK to tweed once in a stream and pointed out that most of the merle capos are this color. She seemed to like it, but since I can't give her a whole lesson in genetics, I went with simplified versions.
Also, I got dead tired of repeating what was wrong in people's trial litters.
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Ahhhh c: Alright, thanks for the clarification ^w^~ You did a great job on these, in any case c:
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Very welcome c: Considering getting one or two of these cuties when I finally post a ref up of my current (and only) dog for my kennel xD //has been focusing on her stables
Does only CK make customs, by the way? It seems their list is a bit full at the moment xD;
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Only CK makes imports, and yes, she's busy. You'd need to keep watch for a litter. Check bloodlines before you breed them.
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Thank you a thousand times for bringing up that lethal white is for horses.
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X'D
Welcome.
Dogs have their own "lethal white" equivalent (I imagine that a double-harlequin would be white, as it's mostly white and double of merle-whatever usually adds more), but I've never seen anyone refer to it that way. It's funny/
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Ah, sorry to be a bother. xD I looked back up and saw that homozygous harlequin is lethal. Now I want to know why. -le research- Thanks for tolerating me. xD
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There isn't much information on it, but now that I know overo is a pattern, it makes me think that it's a lot more similar than I thought.
Sure? XD
I like talking genetics.
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Well, the thing about lethal white is that it's actually lethal white overo. Overo is a horse pattern gene, and two copies produces a solid white foal, or one with very little color, and that lack of pigment causes the intestines to not form properly, killing the foal a few hours after birth.
What's the dog equivalent? (Sorry, I'm a genetics nerd and I like learning orz)
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Wow. I thought it was a white color and double just made it whiter. Guess it's closer to Harlequin than I thought, then.
I know it causes the anus to never form and they die of toxicity cause they can eject the waste.
Harlequin pretty much causes the whole insides to fail. They die in the womb. Double merle itself causes severe deformities in the eyes, which I imagine to be what happens to the organs when Harlequin is so extensive. It's also caused by a lack of proper pigment/melacolytes.
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Yeah... I did a little reading and I can't believe merle is a faulted color for danes. ._____. How do you think you get harlequin, people???
Also, I didn't mean to come off as harsh/snooty, I've tried to explain that lethal white is a horse thing to people and they basically just laugh and say "well so and so calls it that" so it's sort of an angry topic for me. xD
Dayum, poor babies :c We do so many awful things in the name of color. orz
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Either they're simply not shown and used solely as stock or the double-merle is the norm for a Harlequin base. There are a looooad of double-merle. I think it's that the people want the excessive white look.
I do the same, but I'm like "as long as you know, okay", and then proceed to let everyone else know. They can call it what they want, I suppose, but they should know it's not lethal, nor is it white XD
There are people who care, there are ignorant pet breeders, and then there's people who don't care. It's not really a "we".
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Which is just crazy to me. >> It's like faulting black when you're wanting liver. It's a recessive trait, and unless you're really careful you'll always get that dominant color... and it's extra bonkers that they do it with something like merle. I do like white dogs, but there are other ways to get that without making them blind or deaf in the process. :c
Ahaha, it just makes me mad. xD It's like, I know what I'm talking about, so at least take me seriously!
Oh, I know there are plenty of people that care. I used to follow, quite closely, a blog called Fugly Horse of the Day. Every few days there'd be a blog post about someone breeding their colorful, but extremely poorly built horse for the sake of color. It's a bigger issue in horses than in dogs, as a poorly built dog doesn't struggle quite like a horse would, but it just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth all the same.
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Liver is homozygous anyways. You can have a whole line of liver-only dogs. Pharaoh Hounds are a breed that is recessive red (or maybe just clear sable) and they all have liver noses.
Platinum is white enough, usually.
I am okay with people using their own terms, but I don't like it misinforming more people.
Ohmy XD;
Heavy dog breeds live very short lives. Dogs with bulging eyes can literally have those eyes pop out of their sockets. Dogs with bad backs get their hips worn down before adulthood. Dogs with short faces can't breath right.
But a horse that can't walk right isn't cute and so isn't loved.
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I guess that was a dumb example. orz My bad. xD I'm still learning dog genetics, and there are so many little rules it all kinda floats around in my brain and nothing's really set yet. I learned horses a long time ago, and everything's all dandy and straight-forward, but dogs have so many stinking rules! It doesn't help that I'm not thinking straight at all today. -headdesk- I swear I'm not as stupid as I'm coming across.
Yes, I do know dogs can have plenty of problems. ;u; But with a horse's legs the way they are, certain conformation issues can leave them lame, useless, and put down. I'm not arguing that dogs don't have their own issues, but breeding a riding animal that cannot be ridden is no good. There's no shortage of dogs in shelters being put to sleep, but at least they aren't stuck on double-deckers and sent north or south for slaughter.
I don't know how I dragged the topic to horse slaughter. e___e The short and skinny of it is that we're both against bad breeding. xD
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S'okay XD;
Such a long way to die. A cruel irony.
Yes =3
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Very nice. Though in real life double merle breeding is a no no ^_^
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It's still a no-no with capos.
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