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Commission info: [link]Client:
Request: relaxing with cup of coffee, surrounded by books, comfortable clothing
Medium: ballpoint pen
Price: $25
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Comments: 11
The positioning here is very good and the shading and proportions are consistent, you should try to clean up the lines and add more detail to the background. Overall good piece though.
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Thank you.
As the description should convey: It's a sketch commission. Which means clean work isn't part of the service.
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kay, critiquing is just something I do.
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I didn't ask, or want, an excuse for your words; But since you provided it, I think I should mention how it's not a valid reason for ignoring the nature of the piece; a commissioned sketch (for someone else).
Also, I think I should suggest; you should be careful with critiquing strangers when they didn't ask for it. From what I understand, some folks out there don't take such things in jest. I mention that because it seems you care what people think (or want people to care about what you think), otherwise you wouldn't take the time to voice your opinion with no incentive. Or you could just be bored I suppose. So, be careful with that thing you do sir
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This is a site that likes to call it's self an art site so critiquing should be the rule not the exception.
Whether people get pissed at me or not I really don't care, I don't do this because I want to be heard. I do this because I like art and I believe that people should seek improvement in all venues, nature of something be damned. I appreciate the warning, but I've been at this for awhile so I do understand the risks.
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Not sure on the critiquing rule comment.
"I do this because I like art and I believe that people should seek improvement in all venues" It's cool you feel that way. Can't say I agree with it being applied to every piece of work no matter the intention of said work though; as some pieces simply don't call for it. For example, what if this wasn't a commission, but something done purely for fun with zero thought on being perfect (in fact, with intention to not be perfect at all--this part is true actually), and I decided to share it because I liked the way it came out? And I mentioned that in the description so folks would know? In that hypothetical, although you say you don't contribute your opinion simply for attention, you would ignore a persons intentions anyway? You see how that may not place you in a positive light, yes? It's kinda like forcing yourself on someone: no, they don't have to take the advice, but they do have to read it to know what was said.
I hope you don't mind me going off topic now, I've always been curious to ask this of someone: Why do believe you're qualified to know what would be an improvement (Like are you a professional with years of experience with a related craft)? And if not qualified, why do you believe your opinion has weight if you can't achieve the same thing yourself? Again, just a curiosity I've always had with all types of critics in general. Not relating exactly to this commission and our previous discussion.
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I get your points for the first portion and I respect that, I was simply doing what I thought I could do towards an art site. I don't make critiques for attention I do it so they could be helpful to another. They don't have to read it, but as I said this is a public "art site" so anyone who posts here should if not expect critique be aware that it could and probably will/should happen. Whether people draw for fun or money is moot they should seek out ways to improve or their art stagnates which is most likely the worst thing to happen to an artist.
As for the second part, you really don't need to be a professional or even hobby artist to make a critique. Anyone is "qualified" to critique by being a thinking individual with a sense of taste and aesthetic.
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" ...they should seek out ways to improve or their art stagnates which is most likely the worst thing to happen to an artist." I would say that's definitely true for those who are actually artists. For me, just because someone creates something, doesn't make them an artist; which is why I think improvement isn't a goal for everyone who creates. If they want to call themselves an artist, then yes I agree, they should seek improvement. But one shouldn't force their stance on improvement on someone who isn't an artist. Which I assume you believe hobbyists are. Improvement, to me, comes with a lot of non-fun mental baggage; and it would be unfair to push that on someone who just wants to have fun and isn't an artist.
"...you really don't need to be a professional or even hobby artist to make a critique." True, as I sometimes seek creative advice from someone who isn't an artist; But for it to be true, the person MUST have a great sense of taste.
"Anyone is "qualified" to critique by being a thinking individual with a sense of taste and aesthetic.". And what if their sense of aesthetic is horrible to a majority? If someone aims to make a living with their art, they need to appeal to the public, correct? Otherwise, how would they make a living. What you seem to be saying, is that someone with a sense of aesthetic that DOESN'T appeal to the public, is qualified to try and give advice to someone whose aesthetic DOES appeal to the public, just because they have a sense of aesthetic? You see the error in that, yes?
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While I understand what you say, I can only stress that fydbac makes it very clear and easy to understand in the descriptions of her different commission categories what the customer can (not) expect.
And clearing up outlines, for example, is not a given. Same goes for background - I even wondered if with "surrounded by books" I demanded too much. So, I'm happy with the two sketches - and the extra one, of course - I got
So, maybe checking out an artist's commission section first can prevent further discussions like this.
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I saw a piece on the newest submission, it piqued my interest, I gave a critique in the short amount of time I had, that was all. I understand that many artists have general rules and guidelines towards commissions however they are working for a customer not themselves. And therefore must bend to what the customer may or may not find appealing. I would like to stress I am speaking generally here not about this specific case. If you made a commission and received work that either met or exceeded expectations than it would be rude and generally douchey of me to poo poo it.
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