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Sigint [2009-12-04 22:26:53 +0000 UTC]
this is interesting, agreed. i will say that Satan wont be ruling anything, but will be an unwilling prisoner in the lake of fire, also look at Isaiah 14:14, lucifer wants to be as the most high. the king of tyre is a type of satan and his extreme arrogance, which is driven by an inordinate obsession with the beauty, gifts, intelligence and station which the Lord gave him. satans evil is not evil in the way that we think of it, he wants to be like God, omniscient, omnipresent, etc. because he is a being created by the Lord, he is unable to be these, although through coersion, manipulation, he can make it appear as so.
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GaEv In reply to Sigint [2010-01-02 00:07:16 +0000 UTC]
One problem with that. Isaiah doesn't actually refer to the figure that came to be known as the devil. Most scholars agree it refers to a Babylonian King.
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GaEv In reply to Sigint [2010-01-02 13:30:02 +0000 UTC]
I shall respond to all of your points once I have made enough research to do a better informed reply.
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Sigint In reply to GaEv [2010-01-02 03:00:38 +0000 UTC]
and a portion of it does. but did babylon's king ever reside in the throne room of heaven? i dont think so. God addresses both the actual king of tyre, and then following addresses satan and his arrogance that mirrors the king of tyre. this is called a type of satan, just as david was a type of Christ, although he was not the Savior. in one aspect the two (satan, and the king of tyre) share characteristics, and in others they do not. it is an illustration.
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Sigint In reply to GaEv [2010-01-03 14:52:03 +0000 UTC]
by his rationale, the bible also doesnt foretell of Christ because it doesnt use his name, and the prophetic psalms (dealing with the first and second advents of Christ) are no longer prophetic. just because the bible doesnt full on state something-because God spoke to us in imagery at times-DOES NOT nullify its importance in scripture. duncan heaster also says that satan is not a person, but that evil is a force brought about by our own sin nature. Christ himself calls satan a person in the gospels, and satan (an individual) tempted Christ in the desert, satan is also an angel in Job-not just a force. duncan heaster also states that in ezekiel, and isaiah the king of babylon(tyre) is not satan. he says it is a force. a force doesnt wear beautiful things, doesnt have a melodious voice, doesnt express will. this is an intelligent being that God talks about.
satan does not force man to sin, but through mans own freewill he chooses to-this is true, but satan was the original antagonist to God in every aspect. he wants to be as God.
duncan heaster is teaching false doctrines, and you should find a better pastor teacher.
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GaEv In reply to Sigint [2010-01-03 15:03:46 +0000 UTC]
"by his rationale, the bible also doesnt foretell of Christ"
There are some interpretations that suggest Emmanuel referred to either a son of Isaiah himself, a son of King Ahaz or literally someone born in the reign of King Ahaz named Emmanuel so it is possible that yes, the old testament doesn't fortell of Jesus.
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Sigint In reply to GaEv [2010-01-04 01:56:22 +0000 UTC]
1.do you believe that the bible is the inerrant word of God?
2.do you believe that salvation is achieved only by faith in Christ as the substitute for our sins through His death on the cross?
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GaEv In reply to Sigint [2010-01-04 13:13:26 +0000 UTC]
No. I used to but not anymore.
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Sigint In reply to GaEv [2010-02-08 17:41:57 +0000 UTC]
What changed that?
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GaEv In reply to create-illusions [2009-02-02 00:19:02 +0000 UTC]
Thank you and your welcome.
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girlycowsy [2008-11-22 21:09:58 +0000 UTC]
wow... ilove that hes the one telling you i think that was great and then all the reasons why he becomes what he is isgreat i think this is fantastic!
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LauraRyou [2008-09-01 22:19:42 +0000 UTC]
Wow... I'm impressed.
Very cool, and a unique perspective.
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