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Published: 2008-11-04 23:48:20 +0000 UTC; Views: 3267; Favourites: 168; Downloads: 31
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Just a thought I had a few nights ago.Edit: The stamp is about word choice. I just don't like when people use "pro-abortion" as a replacement for "pro-choice." They aren't the same! IT has nothing to do with how I stand on abortion. It's about WORD CHOICE.
If the arguments continue I will simply remove the ability to comment.
Edit2- People. This stamp is about WORD CHOICE. It's not designed to support you being pro-choice or pro-life. STOP USING IT LIKE THAT AND TRY ACTUALLY READING WHAT THE STAMP MEANS, JESUS CHRIST.
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This so much. And when people try and be like, "STOP CALLING ME ANTI CHOICE I'M JUST ANTI MURDER." No, you're still anti choice and anti rights.
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Meh,if i ever got pregnant,i wouldn't think twice before killing the bastard.
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If no one is truly pro-abortion, then why is abortion legal? Either abortion is fine, or it isn't. If it's fine, a simple medical procedure, no big deal... then why isn't everyone pro-abortion? If it's not fine, then it shouldn't be legal, and everybody should be against it.
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Pro life: Give birth.
Pro choice: You can choose abortion or life.
Pro abortion: Pick abortion.
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But the pro-choice are advocates of abortion as a human right. And thus, in that way, they are for abortion.
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Incorrect. Pro choice advocates believe that a woman has the right to control what happens to her body, including who gets to use it. So if one uses a womans body without consent, she has every right to end their life.
Pro choice is for life and death, it's a neutral ground between pro life and pro abortion.
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Exactly: that she has a right to have an abortion. And thus they advocate abortion. It's not neutral. They're ok with abortion. If they're not, why do they support it as a right?
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They support her right to choice, the choice of adoption, keeping the kid or aborting it, and the right to control what happens to her own body.
Pro abortion advocates support only abortion, pro life supports only giving birth. Pro choice supports life and abortion, thus neutral.
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Generally they don't, actually. I know - I've met a LOT of pro-choice people. They support the right of women to conform to their narrow view of what a woman is, what women's rights are, what freedom is, and what women's health is. If a woman doesn't conform to this view, they don't care. Do you seriously think women have abortions because they feel they have a choice? Talk to any woman contemplating an abortion, or having had one. I'd bet 9 times out of 10 they'll say "I felt like it was my only option". It's the Pro-life sidewalk counselors who are out there saying: you don't HAVE to do this, there are other options, we will help you get them. Not the pro-choicers. Spend some time on the sidewalk in front of an abortion clinic. I think you'll see what I mean.
Generally, Pro-choicers are just incapable of defending their position either way.
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"Generally they don't, actually." Prove it.
They don't want conformity, they want to give them options. That's it. Saying all they want is conformity is like me saying pro life only wants slavery for women.
They protect an option, a choice. Pro life supports removing that option. I've spent time at clinics, both regular OBGYN clinics and run down shit holes. Still fail to see your logic.
Anyone can say the same of pro life. Half the time pro life arguments are based on religion or a false idea of what murder is.
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Oh hello again! I keep running into you in the stamps, oh dear.
I think you're very confused here. Pro-abortion means you want ALL pregnancies to end in abortion. If everyone were pro-abortion, we'd die out as a species real fast.
Abortion is legal because people are pro-CHOICE, meaning the choice to choose.
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That's one way to look at it, sure. I consider pro-abortion to mean advocating abortion rights and the goodness of abortion. Are you ok with abortion or aren't you? If not - why let it be legal?
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I'm okay with it, of course. I let it be legal because it's needed. People might consider it evil, but it's a necessary evil. Some women just CANNOT give birth, and forcing them to give birth is what I consider cruelty.
However, I know many people who dislike abortion but still support it for the same reasons. They know their personal opinions are not shared by all, and some women just don't want to be pregnant, and they respect that.
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Why should women pay for it then? Why would you go and pay for something that's a necessary evil? If it's evil, it's evil. Why would you want it? Why legalize it? Why provide it? If it's good, it's good. Why call it evil? You just look silly. "Yeah, it's a necessary evil and of course we want it to be safe and legal... but rare... in the meantime, we're going to stand up for it as a right and keep providing it, even though that makes us look hopelessly self-contradictory". Woot for abortion, a necessary evil that is somehow a constitutional right....
I think that's logically inconsistent.
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I didn't say I personally consider it evil, I said other people may consider it evil. I can't speak for them, only myself.
I consider abortion to be a good thing that respects women's rights and the development of society. I will always support it in any way shape and form.
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I consider abortion to be a good thing that respects women's rights and the development of society. I will always support it in any way shape and form.
That's at least more consistent, despite the fact that you think murdering an innocent baby is a good thing.
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Murder is a lawful term meaning "unlawful slaying of a person." A fetus is not a person and it is not unlawful.
And a fetus is not a baby. Baby is a term for a born child between the age of 0 and 13-18 months.
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*sigh* how man times have I heard this absolutely lame argument. Then killing Jews in the Holocaust isn't murder. Like, it's only murder and wrong when the state says it is.
Right, because we all have been to fetus showers.
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Aaaand you just made the worst mistake a pro-life person can make 
I'm sure if you went to a shower that was hosted by a gynecologist or scientists, it could very well be called a fetus shower.
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Why not? The comparison as I made it was quite apt - the legalized slaughter of millions of people. In the words of Martin Luther King Jr. "We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was 'legal'". Your statement is a cop out, given that I've just put you in the awkward situation of claiming that the Holocaust was not murder.
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As another stamp put it: [link]
Hitler was committing war crimes. What he did was not in ANY way legal and it's completely insulting to connect the torture and abuse of millions of poor Jewish people to a simple medical procedure that removes something that has NO sentience or viability.
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What do you mean it wasn't legal?? He was the head of state! The German government said it was legal! They did it!
A simply medical procedure that kills a person. Of course. No comparison. Like a simple medical procedure like injecting someone with poison.
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A fetus is not a person. It's a mass of cells that will one day BECOME a person.
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How does that make sense? How can a non-person magically grow into a person? The effect can't be greater than the cause. Something non-person can't just develop into a person. It doesn't make any sense.
For the record, all humans are masses of cells. It's one of the first things you learn about living things in biology - all living things are made of cells. So I'm really not sure what the point of that statement is - it only demonstrates that the fetus is in fact a living human being with its own cells.
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So you're telling me that something that can't think, can't understand, something that doesn't have emotions or is even aware of its own existence is a person? That it's equal to an adult human in every way?
The point is that a fetus is JUST cells. It can't think, it can't survive, it's nothing but cells.
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Yep. Because personhood is a measure of what you are, not what you do. It's not the some as an adult human, but then babies aren't either? By that standard, it's perfectly moral to kill newborn babies because they're not persons.
What does that mean? Just plain old cells? And by the way, the time it's a fetus (10 weeks).... it looks like this: [link] Hardly what I'd call "just cells". Hmm... I see a being that has arms, legs, a head, a heart, a brain, a nose, mouth, eyes, lungs, bones, blood.... Just cells, right. Ok.
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A newborn can think, it can understand, it can work logic in its tiny little brain. A fetus at 5 weeks cannot.
I see a fetus that has the characteristics of a human but does not have the mind of one yet.
We're going in circles, and we always will. I consider abortion to be a good thing, and you hate it. We'll just end it at this and see if we ever meet again in the stamps. Goodbye.
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Really? It can reason logically? How do you know that? In any case, why should that mean it's not human? Am I understanding and working logic when I'm asleep. Nope, not usually. Particularly if it's a dreamless sleep. Do I become not human during that period while I'm unconscious. No, that's absurd.
That may be so, but if it's a human, it's a human. And if you kill it, you're committing murder.
Yes I do hate it. There are few things I hate as much. Take it from Mother Teresa [link] if not me -
But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another? How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion? As always, we must persuade her with love and we remind ourselves that love means willing to give until it hurts.
I hope we meet again and that you heart will change and you will wake up to this horror.
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actually i know some people who are
and have heard many many fucking stories of women who didnt give two shits about her baby and would use it as a form of birth control..
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Stories are just that. Stories. That does not mean it is based on fact. I work as the head doctor for my areas abortion clinic, and I have never seen or heard of anyone that uses it as birth control.
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i know a few people personally who have
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I see ok then. My apologies
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it's all good.
it's probably because of people like them that i am so firmly against it..
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Possibly. Most of the ones I treat are rape victims, or people whos contreceptives have failed.
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lol troll....not that i wasnt thinking the same thing
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I always hate it when people say that. If I'm really pro-abortion, why am I still pregnant?
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Is it horrible that the line "Well, time to kill a baby!" made me laugh?
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I'm glad your not calling pro-life people monsters and very bad, bad things. But if your pro-choice your really pro-abortion
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no, i am not pro killing children. i am pro giving women the choice to do what they will with the child. it's their body. they can do with it what they will.
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No, I am not Pro-Killing Children. I am pro-women-should-be-able-to-do-whatever-the-fuck-they-want.
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and that's a problem?
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replied to the wrong person, it was meant for the person above ^.^
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I'm anti-abortion and pro-choice. 
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Exactly...I'm not going to force abortions on someone who doesn't want to. 
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I had a friend who was pro life and it pissed me off so badly when she failed to understand that I wasn't pro abortion.
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