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This Drawing is Outdated - Please see the Updated version in the Gallery Folder of Women Warriors of Historically Wrong Sketch Series: Medieval Revisited
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A lot of people have been talking about Knights vs Samurai, but what about Saracens vs Samurai? This sketch is made as a tribute to the Poll Results for the Women Warriors in the historically wrong sketch, whereby Sheika Ahu Durquba (Middle East/Saracens) and The Minamori Sisters (Japanese) were voted in the top 3. You can find more about the poll and maybe cast your vote at >> gambargin.deviantart.com/journ… .
As usual, before i start, this is just a dramatic depiction of a battle between the Women Warriors in the historically wrong sketch, as such, anatomy, perspective, scene may not bet the best as I'm still learning to improve them. Any feedback is certainly much appreciated.
The battle theme that inspired me with the music:
If you prefer the Middle Eastern/Saracen Female Warriors - www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtQwcV…
If you opt for the Japanese Warrior Sisters - www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM0Qzm… (go to 1.10 min on video scale)
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Before I start, as i have mentioned before, this is just a fictiona dramatic depiction of battle between the Japanese Samurai and Saracens Warriors. As exciting or mundane as it can be, the conclusions of battle is best left as speculation rather than argument.
If we were to refer to the historical contact between the two, as of know I have only opinions or speculations at best. From what I have read, the Muslims traders from the Abbasid Caliphate did travel as far as Korea and settled there. Whether or not they visited Japan from there on is subject to much debate. Another contact with the Muslim world would be the earliest trading network established with the Indonesian Sultanates for spices and other goods as early as Sengoku period, although, this is still yet to be confirmed by myself.
One of my earliest character concept, Sheikha Ahu Durquba , is drawn with stylized Saracen mail and mirror plate armor, with the head-dress resembling a combination of the ones used by Tatar and Bedouins. I'm not sure if the Scimitar and the bow-quiver are accurate or even close to the real-life counterpart, but given the anachronistic settings, i may have an excuse for the errors
As for the Minamori Sisters , I have only drawn the Younger and the Youngest, mainly because of the constriction with the size of paper and my laziness as well. Still, the eldest were meant to be leading the Army as field commander, so this can be a reason for her absent. The younger sister, Minamori no Takeko, is drawn with a stylized late Sengoku Era Samurai Lamellar Armor and a very, very tall kabuto . Any die-hard japanese samurai fan or expert in the field can point out many of the stylistic elements with the armor, or even some errors to certain extend. I have to admit, given the current medieval setting, the most accurate armor would be that during the Kamakura period, instead of Sengoku or even Bakufu era. On the other hand, the youngest sister, Minamori no Komachi, is depicted with a very stylized Kendo armor and japanese tate eboshi, which are very anachronistic at best.
As for their weapons, Takeko is using 2 swords for her dual-wielding fighting technique....the reason being is because i ran out of idea for her fighting stance and my limited skills in drawing them .... Nevertheless, if you were to ask anyone who is trained in swordsmanship, dual-wielding of swords is a very difficult technique to master, and requires great strength and stamina to be able to execute it properly. A much more easier and practical would be a combination of Sword and Dagger (or shorter Sword), which can be utilized for an aggressive fighting movement both in Defense and Offense.
On the other hand, Komachi is drawn charging with a Nanigata, a type of japanese polearm weapon that has the reach of a spear, while offering similar offensive capability of katana (somewhat parallel to the Chinese Guan Dao). This type of weapons were at some point very common with the Female warriors in Japan, and are depicted in the many paintings of Onna-Bugeisha. The reason being is because, the weapon's longer reach provides a good distance and advantage in battle against opponents with bigger height and heavier weight, as women back then, generally speaking, had much smaller physique as compared to men. Nanigata were also famous with early Samurai due to their flexibility and effectiveness against cavalry, although, due to the changes in battlefield tactic as the era progress, it was gradually replaced with the Japanese spear "Yari".
Who would win? Well, now that would be an interesting question to answer. There's probably quite a lot of biased opinion in regards to this matter, backed by some good reasons too! Regardless of what would happen during and after their clash, the Japanese and the Saracens would certainly be very quick adapt their battle tactics, weapons and equipment to combat their new opponents, depending on the are and the location of the conflict. After all, these two people were some of the finest warriors and technologically advanced with their own unique battle tactics and doctrines that the world has ever recorded.
So, i would like to Thank you all for the votes, opinions and inspirations for drawing
I will probably pick another 2 warriors from the poll and draw them against each other. The more unrelated they are in history, the better
Developed from the original sketches:
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Comments: 36
pirya [2017-05-11 20:29:29 +0000 UTC]
Really nice work !
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NikosBoukouvalas [2016-07-10 21:13:00 +0000 UTC]
Very nice sketch!
I really don't know who would win the fight between an Islamic Ghulam and a Japanese Samurai...
The Muslim has the advantage in terms of armor and some experts say that Indian and middle-eastern sabers are among the best cutting weapons of the world surpassing perhaps the katana. In terms of motivation the Muslims always had the concept of Jihad and the order of Muhammad to "fight them until there is no fitna and religion is only for Allah", but the Samurai also had their Bushido. And when it comes to training, part of me wishes to give it to the Samurai but the Mamluks also went under extreme training since very young age... not to mention that whenever Japanese and Western (spanish/portuguese/russian) swordsmen clashed, the Westerners tended to prevail.
What do you say?
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phicek In reply to Gambargin [2014-01-09 07:43:26 +0000 UTC]
ya..ada perang berati ada yg di esekusi gitu mas, ada pancung, gantung, impaler.. @_@
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Aquemenes1983 [2013-10-24 18:40:31 +0000 UTC]
The dynamism of the picture is really great! I like the stance of Sheikha about to release a mighty blow and how Takeko prepares her swords to avoid it. It's a really well constructed story. We can watch how one of the sisters is in danger while the other runs to aid her.
The only flaw I see is the right arm of Sheikha: looks a bit plain (just a bit). However, I know foreshortening limbs to look right in perspective is really difficult and I struggle with this (and fail), almost in every picture of mine.
Great work!
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thebigleobowsiki [2013-10-05 05:49:48 +0000 UTC]
hussars vs mongols anyone?
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Gambargin In reply to MistaSilentKiller [2013-09-15 04:21:37 +0000 UTC]
Actually, i haven't really thought about that! These east-asian martial style gets too much media attention these days!
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artlovr59 [2013-09-12 14:26:51 +0000 UTC]
I think this is a really brilliant drawing. I first noticed it as a battle scene, only then looked at the main protagonists. It's also educational and both ladies look just great!
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Gambargin In reply to artlovr59 [2013-09-15 04:22:50 +0000 UTC]
Yup! I'm glad it didn't create a debate at all, as i was initially afraid of it turning into some topic of arguments over who would win -_-
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artlovr59 In reply to Gambargin [2013-09-15 10:40:30 +0000 UTC]
You're right, better this way!
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Schweinebeine [2013-09-12 11:05:29 +0000 UTC]
hmm nice action scene
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Schweinebeine In reply to Gambargin [2013-09-15 11:47:56 +0000 UTC]
no way, i never play with perspective like you do
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BrossUno [2013-09-12 09:27:29 +0000 UTC]
I'm glad you finished this one, it really came out nice. The changes you made are interesting too. Dual wielding always seems kind of flashy, but I suppose someone tried it somewhere down the line.
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Gambargin In reply to BrossUno [2013-09-15 04:23:49 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, i wanted to draw her with nanigata but couldn;t get it right, so i changed to dual wield.
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CapturedJoe [2013-09-12 07:59:44 +0000 UTC]
D-dual wielding?
Great drawing, the poses and lively background give an atmosphere of a battle.
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CapturedJoe In reply to Gambargin [2013-09-20 17:59:57 +0000 UTC]
Uh, to be honest I don't see that. But thanks anyway
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Hashashin619 [2013-09-12 07:24:16 +0000 UTC]
yeah saracens rock, mamluks were the best!
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Gambargin In reply to Hashashin619 [2013-09-15 04:25:30 +0000 UTC]
I agree too! Mamluks for the Win!!
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Hashashin619 In reply to Gambargin [2013-09-15 09:34:23 +0000 UTC]
yes me too, they were really badass, they destroyed the world's fiercest warriors of the time, the mongols, in many battles, they are really underrated, they've been one of most effective cavalry unites in history of mankind.
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