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GlassWind In reply to Kyzarius [2007-05-25 14:48:49 +0000 UTC]

AARGH! okay...when I pushed "send"

I realized my comment is longer than I expected. x_x

sorry about that

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Kyzarius In reply to GlassWind [2007-05-25 15:30:48 +0000 UTC]

Age has its charm. X: Old stuff can be new to anybody at all. X: Even me.

Rawr. oO Oh yeah, I forgot. If one's existence is wiped out within the rules of the time-existence parallelism concept then it's possible to render that one's existence to null after all, meaning no one will ever know that one was ever there, and the very concept of that one never came to surface at all.

But if one were to be wiped out from existence outside the rules of the time-existence parallelism concept, that one's existence is still guaranteed a safeguard since that one's concept still lives on, and people would still know that one's been there until that one disappeared into thin air, and still know of that one's existence in idea and thought and memory.

Although the possibility of an alternate reality can't be denied, we still hafta confirm the fact of the E equals Mc² and how'd one's existence can be affected by a space-time distortion through contemporary scientific methods. If it fails, and that one has been split into particles rather than being directly converted into waves, then we'll have much more to consider about this concept of existence.

Although, the possibility of an inexisting element having existed as a subconscious, unsurfaced concept is still considerable, with no odds against it. Oo

Oh, and preordained non-existence is just something I came up with; what if something was meant to exist for only a brief while before disappearing into non-existence, and that nobody had ever knew of that certain something at all the very moment it's gone when it did exist in the beginning at all?

Existentialism is fun to discuss. X:

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GlassWind In reply to Kyzarius [2007-05-25 16:24:23 +0000 UTC]

hahaharhahra! now YOU wrote a long comment ^_^


it seems our topic is now moving more toward to concept of time in space. If I remember correctly, we started out talking about indestructability of one particle XD well, anyway...

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things can't exist IN idea, the idea itself exist in our mind(I don't think I can define "mind" here. it's almost "religious" to say exactly what it is.) well, ATLEAST according to Locke's theory.

But there are theory that says ideas do not exist at all, only the perception. This controversial theory flipped everything about our own understanding of "existence". okay now I digress...
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either way. nothing is really certain (as you also seem to agree), implied from that fact that you have introduced another possibility of parallelism to our time. only best bet is that things come to existence, unstably exist(things that can exist or not exist at any point in the time) or become annihilate within our own range of perceptions. I am bringing this up because I just wanted to share different analysis of "existence". It can be interpreted in so many ways and I really like to hear it all! XD I am not tryin to deny what you are saying. I think it's interesting and I also agree entirely. I just like correlating things to different points and just share our thoughts. XD I am telling you this because I am hoping we don't start arguing. I really hate that ]:


I think I am getting into this too much. This is basically what my story is based on. You ALREADY mentioned what I believed I thought it was possible (good to know someone who believes the same!) I don't want to spoil anything 8)

from what you have described, "preordained non-exitence" seems like something I been questioning in this reality. damn! I don't want to share too much about this. XD well...no one's gonna read this comment right? (except you) sounds a bit like how a Tangent Universe works, but not exactly the same.

I am guessing you have huge interesting in philosophy thus explains your knowledge on such area. I used to also. I am not sure about now. right now I am interseted in more specific area rather than just general philosophy. (for example...I hate philosophy regard to GOD and morals. it's really silly in my opinion)


sorry for replying long again ._. I am completely alone. I havn't had proper conversation for a while now. I am probably longing for a companion.



I am just curious. and I am asking you this for harmless observation on self; I don't know anyone else in DA that approach me with such discussion. and if they do, they may do for following reason

1. they think I am stupid and want to stun me with hard words (I had this happen when my english wasn't good. mean people...)

2. they SOMEHOW knew I would actually respond with corresponding knowledge (unlikely...I never share any journal or drawings that has to do with this o_O)

3. hmm....I don't know.

there are more possibilities but I don't want to list them all...human beings aren't simple math equations. like...SO! why do you approach me with these topics? you are one of two people that know that behave this way. (I couldn't ask the other because she is not that active) I am sorry i am acting like this....lately I am very anxious of people's true intention. I don't always think they are trying to harm me but most of the time I can very cautious. I DO trust you know. (I've known you for a while. you have never intended to make me feel bad) that's why I am trying to emphasize that I am asking this under curiosity XD; so...there would be no misunderstanding.

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GlassWind In reply to GlassWind [2007-05-25 16:24:36 +0000 UTC]

ah fuck... too long

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Kyzarius In reply to GlassWind [2007-05-25 18:32:08 +0000 UTC]

X: Philosophy's just one of several things that I can have any possible interest in; reasons are that I can grant my vocabulary some justice and perhaps do it good by the time I get to speaking differences on a grander scale. Inexplicably so, it has done many a wonder to my speech patterns.


NOT. X:

I'm just interested in things that go beyond human understanding, and that we need more than just food for thought and simple ideas to make otherworldly concepts themselves to even make any sense. And well, this is an old deviation page and there's a high percentage of nobody ever coming to this page due to the fact that most people're only interested in watching whatever artists've posted since the day they started clicking the +DevWatch button for 'em. I'm just one of the very few that bothered to look through how had one progressed through art from the very beginning.

And besides, who else but you, one of my oldest yet most broad-minded acquaintance, to approach and share ideas just like this? X= To share this with anybody else is bound to start heated discussions and possible flame wars in terms of science and religion, if you know what I mean. I mean, this can be an odd topic if debated by some people, and things, well, happen. Oo Ah well.

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About the mind. One of my oldest theories was that the mind could be the seeing eye to an alternate universe rather than just dreams and thoughts and ideas. If not, how did we manage to create something that's not even of this world through art, design or even science? I guess it depends on every person's perception of the world and how they think of the word existence whenever it comes to mind.

And about the invincibility of a single particle, rawr, methinks...Planck's unit of measurement ain't gonna do jack when it comes to literally small things. X: I suppose it's possible that particles can be broken up and divided down to the smallest, probably not even close, the smallest size until it cannot be seen until people'd have thought that it was wiped out from existence. Oo That kinda perception's a spiffy one to wonder about. Maybe you're right.


Wait a minute I think I see a connection here...
Eh, never mind what I said. Oo Rawr. If I end up getting shot like Franz Ferdinand when we're starting a revolution then it could be all over for the both of us. Oo

And I never meant ta approach you with a knife in my mouth. X: It's just that some things happen and I felt that I should just go with the flow and do my thing. >< If it triggers something, I'll just go with it as well. And now, it might as well be just it. Oo

Possibilities! Are fun as well. X= Neverending possibilities to count and count until the days run out.

And you'd STILL be curious after death, wouldn't you think? I know I would.

Maybe this IS a proper conversation. Why not we work it out on MSN? We can talk lots more and we'd still not finish up what we ever began in the first place. ><

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GlassWind In reply to Kyzarius [2007-05-29 05:24:01 +0000 UTC]

" broad-minded acquaintance"? XD what made you think that though? haha! well, maybe it is not for me to know. but still, I appriciate that you think of me that way <:b although I am not quite a well-informed person. I am quite book-phobic. Hence, it explains why my vocabulary is limited and small ranged. I also don't know that much stuff 8b I am just...interested in a lot of stuff I suppose.

I agree about possibility of flame war, but not always...is it? I actually can't contribute to this statement because I just...rarely see people just talking about this on internet . but I have seen plenty of journals that discuss this, but there were some comments that were like "you showoff". ha.

well, anyway, I just wanna say thanks for all this. I feel a little bit charmed when someone comes to ME to share something.(something not annoying or disgusting I mean. LOL)


your mind theory intriges me. :b personally I didn't hear anything like that XD I think it also makes bit of sense. what do you think the alternative universe really is? do you think it has connection to OURs? or maybe it's completely unrelated, co-existing to mind of human. it's amazing and myterious what human mind can seems to do and contribute to the world they exist. I guess it really is true that there is another universe inside every single human beings.

it may be also interesting if you just think of the universe as the most simpliest system, a clock work. There is no GOD...or anything beyond what we see. Also, if you die, you die. If you are born, you are born. There is no alternative world or fate; we are alone. This CAN be the horrific truth, but it is a possibility. But it seems to be the human nature to deny something their part of to be completely meaningless.

"what?!?! human? DIE?? just like that?!?! no way...there gotta be something more!! AAAAAAAAAAAAHH!! oh...I KNOW! maybe you reborn into this world in a different body. COOOLL...."

some superior being might think this is completely foolish but this is probably how imagination started. and since human began to communicate, the world had been facinating. hmm..I think. isn't the world facinating? eh...I don't know ]:


"And I never meant ta approach you with a knife in my mouth. X:"

oh nonononon you didn't! I worry a lot, excessively...but I don't intend to I THINK. so if I get crazy again it doesn't mean you are actually doing something wrong XD

MSN? that's an idea. I don't log on very often. I havn't logged for months. I almost never use it. x: eh...it's because I don't exactly get enjoyment communicating directly <:C There are less control over my action on MSN. but I have logged on to talk to people before. *I hope no one reads this...* my msn thingy is fly_high_sky@hotmail.com

I will see if I can..er...log on or something.

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GlassWind In reply to Kyzarius [2007-05-25 14:48:17 +0000 UTC]

omg

this deviation is so OOOLLD...OOOOOOOOOOOLLLLD!!! I had to re-read the description to relate your comment to it lol

well this character wasn't suppose to have any relation to space in time. I used to make characters that can just erase stuff because I had constant nightmares. I always wished there would be friend who can just get rid of it all. (hence, this isn't the only character that can "erase" things. blah...mind of a child...) but anyway...your comment brings up a topic...

"universe cannot be whole without the existence of even a single speck o' dust"

That's interesting! where did you come up with this? I never thought of that, or at least in non-science sense. while it is true that you cannot be even completely eliminate an atom from the existence, the term "existence" is very ambiguous.

I am not saying it doesn't have a clear defintion. ]: It's just that things CAN become inexistent due to one's perception. For example, lets say there is a book, but it gets smaller and smaller (but never disppear) At some point, it will be SO SMALL, it will be impossible to be seen by a human being, than it will be a "non-existent object".

that said, Naielo may be distrupting the balance of the universe, but his activity only effects just one reality. I mean, he could be sending them off to some alternative reality that cannot be percieved by human eyes and nervous systems, yes? even if that is true, if no one is to withness it, Naielo WILL be making things disppear out of "existence" to those who have limited perception XD

I don't know the word "preordained". I am not a reader OR writer after all. ahahrhahrha forgive me. (I DID look it up. but dictionary gives me even MORE unrecognizable words. ._. )

crap I talked to much again ._. please don't get annoyed...I tried to be as concise as I could. ];

the word "existence".... I heard that word SOOOO MANY TIMES from reading for one of my class AHRHAHRhAHRAH. I am almost tired of it XD people in the past had lots of trouble trying to know what really exists and what do not <:b

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