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GrampaGen In reply to GnosisGuyver [2014-12-09 05:04:32 +0000 UTC]

haha well, thanks. It's okay now, the manga's over!

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GenocideHeart In reply to DoomMarine58 [2014-12-18 20:25:41 +0000 UTC]

Relative speed doesn't mean anything when reflexes are superior. Raoh can react to Kenshiro's Hundred Crack Fist, which more or less hits you 108 times in the space of a second, by meeting each and every punch midway with his own with precisely the necessary strength to defuse them. That takes some serious speed and reaction time.

In short, moment Naruto steps within Raoh's kill zone, he's dead. He'll get massacred before he even sees the fists coming.

That's assuming Raoh doesn't just use Hokuto Heaven-Breaking Fist to nuke the whole area or his good ol' Iron Palm Wave to hit him from afar.

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DoomMarine58 In reply to GenocideHeart [2015-01-12 11:20:33 +0000 UTC]

Naruto has dodged strikes that are as fast as the speed of light.

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GenocideHeart In reply to DoomMarine58 [2015-01-13 20:48:28 +0000 UTC]

Please don't tell me you consider lightning jutsu to be light-speed. Aside from the fact that things like the Chidori rely entirely on the USER'S body speed, lightning ISN'T light-speed. In order to strike at lightspeed you'd have to be in a Saint Seiya Gold Saint's general speed range, and NOBODY in Naruto approaches even the wimpiest Gold Saint's attack speed, let alone movement.

Also to note, Raoh is overall equal to or even superior in terms of physical fighting prowess to Kenshiro - the difference between them was motivation, in the end - and Kenshiro beat guy who was ACTUALLY USING LIGHT for his attacks (and hence, did have 'light-speed attacks').

Regardless, Musou Tensei would make everything else irrelevant since it shuts down Naruto's entire offense, and Heaven's Command Charge nukes the entire area IN ADDITION to causing the typical exploding effect Hokuto is known for.

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MeanGreenMother222 In reply to GenocideHeart [2015-01-19 01:05:47 +0000 UTC]

It's just best not to argue with Narutards.

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DoomMarine58 In reply to GenocideHeart [2015-01-17 16:12:56 +0000 UTC]

It's not a lightning jutsu I never said it was. Putting words in my mouth won't help you win this argument bro,  the Raikage just uses his chakra to move as fast as the speed of light lightning has nothing to do with it. The Raikage and Minato has shown they can move as fast as light without much effort and Naruto has shown he can move faster than the Raikage. Saint Saya is not the only series with characters that have super speed. 

Once again Kenshiro is powerful when compared to a normal human but in the Naruto verse he'd probably on par with a jounin level ninja. Neji's strikes moved just as fast as Kenshiro's and he was only 13 when we first saw him use them.

You could say Musou Tensei would destroy Naruto but you have no way of proving that. It might and it might not. The kyubbi's chakra which makes Naruto super durable and makes him heal instantaneously might be enough to counter it's effects for all you know.

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GenocideHeart In reply to DoomMarine58 [2015-01-19 20:28:47 +0000 UTC]

The only things that countered Musou Tensei were a skill SPECIFICALLY designed to do so, and another Musou Tensei. It entirely removes the user's presence from the physical plane as far as anyone else is concerned, meaning that as long as someone is in that state they can attack with impunity and the opponent can do nothing because they aren't even on the same plane of existence as them. Also, Kenshiro is powerful even compared to abnormal humans. Unless you can point me to many who can simply walk through an armored wall like it was quite literally wet paper like he did.

That's overlooking how he DID face a light-attacks user (Falco) and nearly killed him, and he didn't even have his heart in that fight. Considering Falco's attacks were *actual* light, arguing they weren't moving at lightspeed is kinda dumb, and later on a Shura *grunt* can dodge them, so reacting to attacks that fast is something even fodder can do by the time the second series rolls around.

As for speed? Han was moving so fast he actually appeared to be in *five places at once* with his afterimages not even flickering, and he wasn't even trying at all, he was just calmly walking forward. Not even Minato shows that kind of ridiculous speed (in large part because his 'speed' is also judicious use of summoning tags to move himself from place to place). And Han's not even the fastest in the series, Shachi ends up being faster.

All this, overlooking how a single hit can spell instant, messy death against a Hokuto practitioner. Then there's ranged attacks, area attacks, at least one guy who can turn outright invisible...

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DoomMarine58 In reply to GenocideHeart [2015-03-03 16:18:10 +0000 UTC]

The only thing that can get through the chakra cloak is charkra of another tailed beast. So the Musuo Tensei won't be able to do much. Also pretty much any character in Naruto has been shown to be able to punch their way through metal walls. Naruto's rasengan destroys things on a molecular level.

I saw the fight with Falco. That definitely was not as fast as people in Naruto can move. Most of them are so fast they don't leave after images. They simple move so quickly they vanish from sight.

So even if by some miracle ken can hit Naruto combined with his kyuubi chakra cloak which is basically impenetrable and his healing factor, even if Ken did hit Naruto's power points it would just be instantly healed. Fist of the North Star causes people to explode and die because it blocks their power point, his healing pretty much takes care of that and his chakra cloak can bot only attack from a range but his speed makes it almost impossible to hit him unless you're a god like Madara who can summon meteorites from the ether.

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GnosisGuyver In reply to GenocideHeart [2015-01-23 13:41:43 +0000 UTC]

Let be fair to falco here the shura grunt only got the upper hand due to falco going out still heavily wounded after his fight with ken. Hell Kenshiro stated flat out had falco been healed he would have crushed shura boy like a fly and he was right once ken pressed sekkako point giving falco his strength back at the cost of his life shura boy fell easily.

your right on speed. Han is ridicolous even saints of siant sieya have not demonstrated speeds of im many places at once by calmly walking.

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GnosisGuyver In reply to GenocideHeart [2014-12-18 22:55:38 +0000 UTC]

exactly flash learned this the hard way when he faced deathstroke in DC comics. he was faster deathstroke reflexes were better and thus flash speed meant nothing.

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DoomMarine58 In reply to GnosisGuyver [2015-01-17 16:27:08 +0000 UTC]

You mean that comic no one liked because deathstroke was OP as hell? Never mind the fact that the flash has show he can vibrate his molecules to pass through solid objects guess the writers forgot about that since they were too busy sucking off deathstroke.

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GnosisGuyver In reply to DoomMarine58 [2015-01-17 21:27:31 +0000 UTC]

Deathstroke planned all that and used skill to beat them he knew there strengths and weaknesses inside and out prepared for them as well as bats does. also the flas is no rocket scientist and he must focus to use the molecular vibration technique he can't use it fast infact never has flash used that fast he time to use it deathstroke didn't give him any time at all

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DoomMarine58 In reply to GnosisGuyver [2015-03-30 13:45:35 +0000 UTC]

Actually yes the flash is a scientist. He gave himself his own super powers. Even the creators of the comic admitted to making deathstroke OP for the sake of the comics.

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GnosisGuyver In reply to DoomMarine58 [2015-03-30 19:44:51 +0000 UTC]

considering deathstroke is one of the best military minds if not the best it makes sense

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GnosisGuyver In reply to DoomMarine58 [2014-12-09 20:54:55 +0000 UTC]

What ahahahahahahaha thats funny  Raoh despite his size is extremely fast and one hit means death for naruto whether a punch or a touch. hell raoh doesn't even need to dispense the effort all he has to do is flex his toki aura and naruto dies. Some of konohas ninja techniques are actually quite good sadly raoh asked the wrong guy for em naruto knows as much of konohas secrets as a monkey knows about writing a novel.

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DoomMarine58 In reply to GnosisGuyver [2015-01-12 11:25:34 +0000 UTC]

Not really maybe when Naruto was twelve he would lose but seeing as he now has access to the kyuubi's chakra and can move faster than the Raikage who was as fast as the 4th hokage who moved at the speed of light. So yeah Naruto could win. The thing about Hokuto no Ken is that Ken fights regular humans for the most part. But against super humans like the ones in Naruto who are used to pulling off crazy shit like benching mountains and moving faster than light.  Hell Naruto doesn't even have to get into Roah's range of definition. He can use his chakra to create limbs to attack his opponents. Meaning he could beat Raoh without technically touching him.

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GnosisGuyver In reply to DoomMarine58 [2015-01-12 12:05:24 +0000 UTC]

Raoh has aura/touki attacks in case naruto tries to plays the range game and there also one shots it touches any part of his body even a graze and he is either crippled or dead his anatomy is still human sadly for him also 4th didn't move at the speed of light he used teleportation with tool aid he is no gold saint while raoh speed is his own and doesn't require tools. so basically naruto cannot get hit at all not even scratches

Plus naruto uses chakra from another source not his something any fighter in fist of the northstar would consider pathetic. Relying on an inhuman creatures strength

and also musou tensei good luck landing any hits on either raoh or ken if they use this whihc makes them completely immune to any attack they become like ghosts from horror movies you can't touch them but they can touch you

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DoomMarine58 In reply to GnosisGuyver [2015-01-17 16:22:56 +0000 UTC]

Naruto's anatomy is not just a normal human's once again he has the kyuubi mode which makes his body super durable and healing complex up to level ten. If Roah can't hit Naruto (who moves faster than light). 

...in order to teleport you have to be moving at the speed of light brah, that's kind of how it works. So yeah fourth did move at the speed of light. 

Naruto had to work hard to master the kyuubi's chakra and who cares if the HnK character thinks he's pathetic? He fights and beats people stronger than him he doesn't just use his powers to kill normal humans.

Oh I see sorry I had no idea that Ken and Roah had the everything proof shield that everyone used when they played pretend at ten. Really glad I stopped watching before I saw that point in HnK.

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GnosisGuyver In reply to DoomMarine58 [2015-01-17 21:13:19 +0000 UTC]

do you know what anatomy means? Does Kyuubi change his organs and points no it does not once those are hit naruto is dead its the whole damn point of hokuto shinken one shot one kill from a thousand different angles.

and no since there are many kinds of teleports some become molecules of say mist or wind and those do not move at light speed. You stil forget that bit uses a tool all one has to do is destroy the tool before the teleport can take effect at least thats how the fourth did it dunno about Naruto. I dropped the manga before i could find out

Hes pathetic cause the power is not his. He did not earn it. Neji would have crushed naruto in the chunnin exams had it not been for the Kyuubi hell i wanted that to happen but no th author pussied out.

musou tensei is powerful move one of the most powerful in fiction. oh and do no accuse HNK of being bad that is the birth of shonen and much better story wise than naruto

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DoomMarine58 In reply to GnosisGuyver [2015-03-30 13:56:08 +0000 UTC]

The reason the Hokuto Shinken kills you is because it blocks off your power points causing your ki to have no where to go so it builds up and bursts. The hyuuga gentle fist style uses a similar technique. So Kenshiro and Roah can block off as many power points as they want but Naruto can just force them open again since in Kyuubi mode he heals instantaneously.

Naruto doesn't use a tool to teleport it's all speed. Because the Kyuubi chakra enhances his abilities. 

Saying he's pathetic because he uses kyuubi chakra is kind of douchey. That's like saying a swordsman is pathetic because he's not doing the work the sword it. Naruto still needed to train for years to master the kyuubi's chakra and it's more heroic since using it too much can kill him.

HnK has the same story every episode. Ken (who was blessed without a personality) walks to another part of the wasteland with his sidekick sees a bunch of people being oppressed by member of Kings gang. Then effortlessly kills them all without and struggle. Thus removing any tension from the fight scenes. Whenever Ken does have the slightest bit of trouble he just it lasts a couple of seconds then he asspulls a new punch or kick technique and wins. Next episode rinse and repeat. I heard it got better in the second season but it failed to capture my attention during the first and in order to enjoy the second and understand it I would need to watch the first.

I feel like the reason you dislike Naruto is because he's not some buff brick shithouse who mercilessly kills his enemies without remorse.

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GnosisGuyver In reply to DoomMarine58 [2015-03-30 19:36:46 +0000 UTC]

actually its the opposite hokuto shin ken strikes are what carry ki and infuse it in the points to cause the bodily harm. moves like tenha kasatsu an energy attack do this. it does not block anything but puts the users ki in the victims points enhancing what those points do. so no need to get close Hyuga style does not have this. the only way to beat hokuto arts user(there several styles as souten no ken mentions) is too 100% perfectly avoid there strikes any and all even graces. Do not block cause it will mean death. instantaneous healing isn't problem when the damage will be so severe and never ending  (jagi is testament to this what ken did to him did not stop with time) it will guarantee damage to narutos body.

Oh still that teleport won't help him much especially with musou tensei.

Kyuubi chakra is not something naruto made or worked for it was forced upon like an unwanted gift it is not his.

Yeah first season its punks who simply kill those weaker than them plus they lack leadership and brains pretty much to dumb to live true fights were rare.

No i dislike naruto due to how near mary sue he became and the destiny crap i loved him better when he was the underdog and working hard the series would have done better without the destiny crap.

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chicho234 In reply to Me-n-d-122-lozenges [2012-04-11 02:03:18 +0000 UTC]

Nop he cant, current Naruto can defeat Raoh but if he only uses the Bijudama if he dindt use it this will happend [link]

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Me-n-d-122-lozenges In reply to chicho234 [2012-04-11 09:30:48 +0000 UTC]

But the younger Naruto would be totally owned. Here, the young Naruto is portrayed, rather than the uberfied current Naruto.

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chicho234 In reply to Me-n-d-122-lozenges [2012-04-11 22:58:43 +0000 UTC]

Well, that means ATATATATATATA thread. [link]

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Me-n-d-122-lozenges In reply to chicho234 [2012-04-12 17:06:36 +0000 UTC]

F***, I haven't seen this part of the anime yet! I know they confront, but I really don't want any spoilers! D:

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GrampaGen In reply to GamerJay [2011-06-17 19:19:06 +0000 UTC]

heheh, I bet he could.

Thank you

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GrampaGen In reply to JayZeroSnake [2011-05-19 07:58:50 +0000 UTC]

Thank you kindly

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Gojira012 In reply to GrampaGen [2011-05-27 05:01:41 +0000 UTC]

Awww Naruto could Take Raoh, He just has to watch out for well......everything

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JayZeroSnake In reply to GrampaGen [2011-05-20 00:40:29 +0000 UTC]

I'd give you more than just a comment, but I can't.

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