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Description Ok let me break this down right now between all the end fighting and one of the more notorious things the fandom is known for the LAST thing I think we need is an official way to create original characters much less the ammo to do so. I'm not against the idea at all (hell I have my own OC Jack) but the thing I found interesting is when I looked through the comments section and found a lot of people bitching at other people bitching (that's what Youtube is now an inception of complainers complaining at complainers who are indeed complaining about something) that Shadow or Knuckles aren't playable and clearly from the silhouette it will be a character that is new to the game (Not fucking Bubsy). I'm not sure if I said this before but I kind of knew eventually they'll get to the point where players will be able to create their very own character and again due to this kind of fandom people are already trying to say their should be no more complaining now that Sega is catering to the fans more by letting you create your very own character.

I love it how people still have this surface view of the Sonic fandom and ignore the critical side just for lumping it into the stereotypical complainer and whiny side of the fandom everyone loves bashing on an creating lolcows out of. Then at that point things go down hill because again legit criticism is washed away with the rest and no one can get a word in making everything seem bias and two sided when there is find-able middle ground. I actually think this might be a good and bad thing and here I'll explain why. It is a good thing because maybe Sega will see the feedback (if positive enough) and think to themselves that maybe people like projecting a little bit of themselves into these games. Having their own characters running around interacting with the main cast and going on adventures stopping bad guys would be a unique experience to the series. We might be just a little closer to the idea of a Sonic MMO having you make a character and be a character in the Sonic universe traversing levels and such earning skill points and abilities. If this works and they don't just half ass it I feel it can be something good for newer games and the potential Sonic needs might return little by little.

The bad of this is basically what I said in the last sentence......if they half ass or lazily implement the system. I'm sure we've all played games with a create a character system and probably thought they shouldn't have bothered because the expansive nature of those system was nowhere to be seen. This is a fear people need to keep somewhere in the mind as it can go really bad if people don't find the customization enjoyable or intrusive. Gamers love having freedom and connected to a world or character and the literal easiest way to do that is to allow them freedom to create their own character. My next bad thing (if possible) is letting us create a character we barely do anything with as if they can only be selectable for a few levels or we just scramble back and forth between the 3 characters like in SA2. My thing is if you're going to do this you have to make each character selectable or make it to where they're doing their own thing this way people can experiment with the character they've made themselves. Lastly I hope gadgets are unique and not just power ups you pick up on stages. I'd love it if I can create my own loadouts so I can experiment inside levels and see what my play style truly is in terms of mobility or combat.
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GrandMetroViper In reply to ??? [2017-09-25 00:47:56 +0000 UTC]

I've never really observed the Dragon Ball community like that beyond the usual anime/manga fights of names and translations. Those can get pretty heated.

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housin123 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-09-25 00:55:59 +0000 UTC]

oh it can they yell cuse and blame the anime for being to new and different then the one from 20 years it been that long since it got anything new
the games been the same bs over and over just a story recape of it all
at least with the sonic games they try a new story. the had a comic for 20 years. and at least it wasnt really hard for getting nothing
dragon ball litterly got nothing new no spin offs or stuff just people making fan stuff over and over and then complaining if its offically calling it a steal
im just glad the sonic fandome had stuff im glad they survived im glad the sonic games try to be different over and over all dragon ball games were the same over and over then the same bs about oh only these character then these for story yet were gonna have them as dlc and then trap them

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GrandMetroViper In reply to housin123 [2017-09-25 04:53:33 +0000 UTC]

I actually like DB Super but I wish they wouldn't ignore GT to much in fact most Dragonball canon ignores GT.

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housin123 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-09-25 05:03:34 +0000 UTC]

its cause gt accually is on a different time line akira accualy said that in a interview so that if he or anyone makes a new anime before or after the rushed ending of z they can easily. and yes it was since he was getting sick and tired of drawing a rushed manga and if he didnt finis it the anime would be used to much filler. even bleach got that and the anime was cut short since the filler killed the anime and the manga was really rushed ending arc so i dont blame akira for trying. he didnt make gt at all just concept art of goku trunks pan and uub and some planets and a space ship but that was it he never once helped out after that. and in the future and plus it not there fault how can they finally make something the the 10 year gap that everyone wanted to happened for 20 years. i give super for credit a arc soly about a universe tournament with 80 unique fighters 65 brand new and such im glad plus with four universe surving really threw us off of the trail and theory we had about only one universe at the end. plus i wouldnt mind if super skipped the ending of z and made the uub and mr buu arc where goku trains uub and mr buu makes his wife and family i would be very happy if they did . since the mr buu arc happens 5 years after ir or so and since its made by akira he can make it happen

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GrandMetroViper In reply to housin123 [2017-09-25 06:40:02 +0000 UTC]

Can't argue here and Uub was so under utilized that I want to at least see him in Super.

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housin123 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-09-25 07:34:10 +0000 UTC]

plus he was a discrace in gt oh here im gonna train you to be stronger then what you were before. im off to space bye then poof all the way up to the end of the baby saga he apperes is super weak against baby henchmen. he gets his butt beaten fuse with majin buu then go back to the fight and does the stupidest move the chocolate beam and was eaten. after that he was useless in the super 17 arc and the shadow dragons which were by the way weaker then him since super 17 only absorbed energy and the shadow dragons posioned the world with negative energy making everyone weaker so that there stronger

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GrandMetroViper In reply to housin123 [2017-09-25 18:42:43 +0000 UTC]

He got incredibly demotivated after showing potential to Goku and was willing to train him to become the next of the Z fighters who could protect the Earth. Seriously I expected him to literally be on the level of Majin Buu who not one of the Z fighters could efficiently beat not even with several levels of Super Saiyan. At this point that Jaco character does more than Uub despite not being as powerful and I know that's a different series but still.

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housin123 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-10-02 08:31:52 +0000 UTC]

at least in super they had idk 1000 enimes jaco tien master roshie piccolo gohan and krillan all teamed up to take them down like it was awesome for that sure its just like the movie but its your choice if you want to watch the movie or anime but the anime gives more information the movie cant cover or the manga and uub was very potential and they just wasted him cause he was just a kid gohan once again since goku always wins
baby wasnt that powerful goku had to blast him to the sun basicly making the sun that killed him not goku
super 17 was over powered by 18 energy and goku had to go through his chest to win so its 18 who should be credited since if it wasnt for her goku would lose
all seven dagons were pan and goku over and over till nova was betrated and goku accedently killing eis when he was blinded
plus ssj4 gogeta was wasited he did nothing at least ssb vegeto wasnt brought in just as a joke he tore into fused zamasu and then trunks sliced him and zeno had to be brought in at least it wasnt just goku
omega shenron had to get his chest blasted through just to be deafeted even tho he took a big bang khamahma to the face like seriously if it ant gonna do anything dont do it
gogeta apperes and toys around with omega shenron vegeto apperes and ripped zamasu a new check he didnt kid around when lives were on the line
sure you can agure that the 1 hour debuff vegeto but seriously the earing were made for gods only not mortals what are goku and vegeta mortals kaioshen was fused cause they were shinjins only and plus if it wasnt for it we wouldnt be able to fused with more characters now

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GrandMetroViper In reply to housin123 [2017-10-02 22:11:50 +0000 UTC]

My apologizes if I mess some of what I have to say up but what you said is a little hard to read. i'll do the best I can.

I pretty much got nothing to add but in terms of Baby he did the same thing to Cooler. Who was brought back in a metal form with the rest of his organic body being absorbed by the Big Gete Star allowing the remains of Cooler to control the star.

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housin123 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-09-25 07:29:47 +0000 UTC]

yeah but as of yet he is still a baby age so its wize they mention him and dendee to ask goku to train him since at least we finally have that since i always wonder who told him the info since he did mention he was told and was checking in yet how would not dende know where or who he looks like

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GrandMetroViper In reply to housin123 [2017-09-25 19:09:03 +0000 UTC]

I always figured he was around the age of Gohan when he first started training with Piccolo

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fastsonicous [2017-05-19 05:45:46 +0000 UTC]

I also see your a Sonic fan.

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GrandMetroViper In reply to fastsonicous [2017-05-19 06:16:54 +0000 UTC]

Yes I am

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fastsonicous In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-05-19 07:04:34 +0000 UTC]

Same here.

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GrandMetroViper In reply to fastsonicous [2017-05-19 18:29:58 +0000 UTC]

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Psyco-The-Frog [2017-05-18 10:06:34 +0000 UTC]

Finally sat down to read this. What you said about the fandom and youtube is spot on, and you're exactly right on the good thing about this, which is ironic since I made a meme about that after you wrote this. The bad point is hypothetical and it was good you acknowledged that by saying "if" if goes wrong. Honestly though, I don't think there's much that can go wrong unless Sega actually screws the gameplay up, but so far I'm actually cool with it. You are right though, which is something else I said after you, about hoping this isn't some excuse not to add other characters back in, it's bad enough that the wisp almost seem like they were the replacements, though creating your own character would be a better alternative but I digress, bring them back.

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Psyco-The-Frog [2017-05-19 05:48:15 +0000 UTC]

The wisp are a staple to Sonic as Sonic and Sega for that matter are still attached to the idea of Sonic needing to cater to Mario fans (which like many have said you and i included is FUCKING stupid). The thing is I have severe doubts that it will be as intrusive as other create a character mechanics in games. I'm not expected a WoW character creator with full on backstories and stuff like that but just being able to create a character not only for the player's benefit but at the same time playstyle. What worries me and I hope this is just in that specific trailer is that all the characters created will play the exact same just with some different passive ability and nuisance. I get people want an official character in the spot but I feel Sega can look at this and make it to where you can make a power character and build the game around that or a flying character and do the same thing.Β 

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StarWarriorRobby [2017-05-16 22:28:46 +0000 UTC]

because fanservice

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GrandMetroViper In reply to StarWarriorRobby [2017-05-17 04:30:45 +0000 UTC]

I tried to be on the fence but it does feel that way in spades.Β 

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knuckles20 [2017-05-16 19:39:05 +0000 UTC]

Don't hate OCs but would've preferred an actual character than make my own knockoff Knuckles.

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GrandMetroViper In reply to knuckles20 [2017-05-17 04:45:41 +0000 UTC]

Yeah I feel the same I also hope it isn't just cosmetic bullshit like the created character means literally nothing and they have no real abilities of their own like you can't make a flight based character or a power character.Β 

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ZersEditor [2017-05-16 19:26:52 +0000 UTC]

No arguing or questions to you here. Nice read.
As for me, I really liked the presentation in that trailer. Showing the main gimmick of the character (trosses, grapling hooks, wisp-related weapons) in a good way, proper music and use of montage. Very well done.

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GrandMetroViper In reply to ZersEditor [2017-05-17 04:42:54 +0000 UTC]

Like I said I really hope the character will be able to choose their own gadgets in the game rather than just being power ups like the two Sonics. This allows better customization and replayability

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ZersEditor In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-05-17 05:57:52 +0000 UTC]

We'll see.

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Rb1996 [2017-05-16 19:13:24 +0000 UTC]

Okay the could be the BIGGEST miss step in the history of Sonic.

Do you know why?

Easy because Sonic has a shit ton of continuity and a somewhat solid world so here is the big question what will happen continuity wise after all each player is going to have there own hero so in continuity who helped Sonic save the day?

And more important if the Character survives the events of this game what will happen to them than?
Β Will Sega now let you port your character from game to game?

Here is a good comparison where this concept was done Well Dragonball Xenoverse.

Why you may ask?

Simple because you as the player character are always just in an assisten roll there to get things back on track so you don't create history in the events (minus the final fight but even than will your character never been know outside of this singular place where the story happens (and can just like in Xenoverse 2 be just called the legentary hero or something of the like)

SO HOW IS SEGA GOING TO USE THIS CUSTOM CHARACTER?
WILL THERE COPY XENOVERSE AND HAVE YOU TRAVEL THOUGHT TIME AND UNDO THE CHANGES EGGMAN DID (MAKING IT EVEN MORE GENERATIONS 2)

WILL THE PLAYER CHARACTER DIE?

WILL HE EVEN GET A NAME AND THE ABILITY TO SPEAK? AFTER ALL SONIC GAMES TEND TO HAVE VOICE ACTING?

OR WILL THERE BE JUST LAZY AND DO A CLASSICS TAILS IN GENERATIONS OR NEVER MENTION THE CUSTOM CHARACTER AFTER THIS GAME?

MAYBE WITH AN 06 KIND OF END?

SO MANY QUESTIONS???????

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Rb1996 [2017-05-17 04:34:28 +0000 UTC]

Yeah I agree Xenoverse handled it masterfully and my biggest fear is that your character will be some random npc that just so happen to be playable instead of another person part of the resistance. This won't happen and I didn't mention it but I want other characters like yours as part of this resistance to show a natural element as there are other characters in this universe much like how (and it will kill me Β to say this) Boom did it.Β 

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Rb1996 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-05-19 13:18:39 +0000 UTC]

Well I don't going to expect to much from the custom character because Sega already did say that your character needs tools because he isn't sonic (stupid argument Amy was also just a normal person but she just trained her ass of to reach speed, power and agility for beyond any normal person like in Dragonball(not to mention that sonic isn't the only super powerful character I mean it was alreadyΒ confirmedΒ that Silver is going to be in this and he has the power to beat sonic in a fight not to mention other regular people in sonic`s time and world like Shadow, Chaos, Gemerl or most powerful of all Cream and Big (there stats are just strait through the roof)) which obviously opens the question why we need the custom characterΒ at all when unlike Xenoverse he could never hope to be as strong as a main cast member.

And yes having lots of different antros and so showing that Sonic and co aren't the only ones is one of the good thing about boom (and that the show in the last couple episodes started to fell more like Sonic with only knuckles still breaking the 4th wall) But on the other hand is now the question back in Eggman the last Human or are all the humans just in another village that we never go to see.



So just for fun do you thing there will remember that all the birds are suppose to be aliens?

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Rb1996 [2017-05-19 18:37:32 +0000 UTC]

And that's the thing about Xenoverse as depending on what race you were the dynamic changed and how you played did along with it. I was a sayian (of course) when I played the game because I personally wanted to be a super saiyan (benefiting from the infinite ki for a short amount of time) and I've noticed that people like I said play you different depending on who you are. Your race in that game can determine if the opponent will be aggressive or passive depending on what they think you can do. That's really what I'm looking for a character creator that feels different for every character you create and how they play and interact with the world.

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Rb1996 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-05-20 20:27:23 +0000 UTC]

I somehow daub that Sonic Forces Character creator is going to be all this in depth to be honest.

Makes you wound If sega should not haveΒ hiredΒ Dimps for the custom character there worked on numerous Sonic games in the past (and did since 2010 a better job than Sonic team if you ask me) and created an excellent character creator for Xenovers.

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Rb1996 [2017-05-21 04:00:56 +0000 UTC]

It might not be all that intrusive especially considering Sega does have a habit of half doing things or making them incredibly average. What I wanted it to create a character with an ability but I feel all the characters you create would just do the same thing only with like a perk.Β 

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Rb1996 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-05-21 18:55:11 +0000 UTC]

Well given the whole your character doesn't have super powers because he isn't sonic comment I thing its save to assume that the difference between them isn't going to big.

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Rb1996 [2017-05-21 21:23:49 +0000 UTC]

I vaguely saw in the trailer that your character was running along with the two Sonics so I assume speed is somewhere in there but maybe in the form of gadgets. I'm not sure how they'll do it.Β 

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Rb1996 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-05-23 17:02:30 +0000 UTC]

the trailer doesn't need to mean much after all makes the first trailer it look like Classics sonic can boost now which was provenΒ false

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Rb1996 [2017-05-23 21:26:31 +0000 UTC]

Yeah looking at it to be honest is just a proof of concept for the character creator.

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Rb1996 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-05-24 19:03:39 +0000 UTC]

Creator really could be great I just wish that this idea would have been used in a time were sonic's friends were still relevant because so no matter how good its going to be will it leave a rather sour after tast for me.

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Rb1996 [2017-05-24 22:39:57 +0000 UTC]

And most people regarding the fandom and people buying the game in general because I KNEW the OC jokes would just refuse to die anytime soon so i was just addressing it along with looking at the concept in general.Β 

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Rb1996 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-05-24 23:05:50 +0000 UTC]

Well there will always be jokes even over the beloved games (I look at you Sonic 2 spezial stage (tails AI in particular) and Mystic cave pit) So the OC jokes will only ever do that much.

But I see you point.

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Rb1996 [2017-05-25 03:10:10 +0000 UTC]

Yeah I get you man it's just real real old at this point. We get it the fandom has its problems just like nearly all fandoms on the internet.

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Rb1996 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-05-25 13:38:16 +0000 UTC]

I mean yes the Sonic fandom is a mess but come one we have in no way more porn or back in the day was everything better people than Pokemon and new series like MLP fim, FnaF or Untertales have just a bad fandoms

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Rb1996 [2017-05-26 04:05:00 +0000 UTC]

There are certain fandoms I can't stand even as a Sonic fan. I get we have weird fetish porn and just overall highly vocal people but Undertale is that example of a just overall bad fandom formed overnight.Β 

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Rb1996 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-05-26 18:16:30 +0000 UTC]

And I still don't get what is so bad about Porn I mean there is Porn of everything in the internet and yet Sonic fans are somehow worse than every one else? What kind of sense does that make.

And yes the Sonic fan despite being a real mess is not the worse fandom there is.

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Rb1996 [2017-05-26 18:57:50 +0000 UTC]

That's utterly dumb if you ask me because we live in the 2010s not like the 90s where the internet wasn't as advanced. You can access literally everything even on your phone so I don't understand why people are so prudish about porn on the internet it is the INTERNET a public area where people are allowed to do what they want under certain parameters mind you. I get certain fetishes or characters or acts or hell porn in general isn't for everyone but you the person have the power to just ignore it.Β 

Yeah it is all subjective but my problem is subjective thought being passed as objective fact which is madness. I'm ok with people saying it is the worse they've come across but the worse period is very iffy because it is usually (I'm assuming based on my own experience) one person coming across like a few people or a person taking the word of thousands of videos bashing fans.

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Rb1996 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-06-10 23:48:23 +0000 UTC]

Well I also don't get what is so honorable about Porn BUT I have to say again its seam worse for the Sonic fandom for some reason as In or yea this Gardevouir Porn is sweet but what is this Sonic with a dick this is the greatest crime in human history. (just like all this Sonic 06 promotes beastealety jokes that can easily be disprove by just showing that Sonic's isn't a beast but rather a man with a different shell (like in star trek were Krik bangs half the Alpha sector and no one beats an eye) but I ones even but blocked because I completely brock someone trying to defend that Sonic X Elise is Morally wrong standpoint)

And the people that thing there Opinions are facts really bother me.

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Rb1996 [2017-06-11 04:44:19 +0000 UTC]

I wasn't saying it was honorable just the fact of it existing. People just like to express themselves no matter the medium and porn is no exception. If there's entertainment value then humans will do what they do to the best of their ability and see what they can get out of it trying out new things and overall enjoying the experience. I mean I can knock certain things that I just do not the appeal of but at the end of the day every human has a different mindset.

Also yeah it's such a big thing nowadays to just with Sonic but in general with people acting as if they state an opinion and it is the truth. They'll say a game sucks just on their principal alone and act like you're stupid for questioning it even though the statement had no backing to it.

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Rb1996 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-06-11 21:14:09 +0000 UTC]

Well my first point was more about how people make things seam 100X worse when its attached to a Fandom that is considered Bad while no one is going to say anything about the Porn for most Nintendo licences (at most you get something about Gardevour and Kristall really).

That's one of the things I like about roger that he makes it clear that his videos are mostly not about THE TRUTH but most about his own thoughts on subject matter (Which is also why I respect him a lot more than many other people that just Can't other than bash anything that remotely not like be it the Die hard Classic fanboys the ones more obsessed with Adventure that Amy with Sonic at her worst or the I find Modern uber funny and Sonic should any way just be for kids Modern defender)

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Rb1996 [2017-06-11 22:34:52 +0000 UTC]

Well I think what the point I was making was pretty simple. Sonic is one of those unanimously bad fandoms in the eyes of people so anything we do is just going to be 100 times worse because that's the stigma. People ignore Mario (to some extent) because he hasn't had years of a publically picked on fandom until recent if you ask me.Β 

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Rb1996 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-06-14 22:40:21 +0000 UTC]

Yes I know what you mean.
When actually did this the sonic fandom is the worse thing even start?

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Rb1996 [2017-06-14 23:55:21 +0000 UTC]

Some say Adventure and others say around Sonic Heroes but no one truly has the definitive answer.Β 

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Rb1996 In reply to GrandMetroViper [2017-06-15 22:18:28 +0000 UTC]

Okay thanks for the answer

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GrandMetroViper In reply to Rb1996 [2017-06-16 03:22:46 +0000 UTC]

No probΒ Β 

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