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A gift commissioned for Tony part 4From To Be Whole, chapter 7: [link]
Plus Urz.
Commentary from Tony:
"IN this scene, Garrus has just recently found signs that EDI and several Geth have survived the explosion caused by Leela's destruction of the Catalyst.
It's a scene of where I want to explore Garrus and Solana's relationship. In Lair of the Shadow Broker we're shown Garrus and her having a strained relationship, but I think that's more or less due to the fact that rather than be with letting his family know what's going on Garrus has shirked them and is keeping them out of the loop for protection and yet later on we're shown Garrus was still finding ways to help his mother get better. I decided to go with a bit more of a lighter relationship or at least a relationship where she has forgiven Garrus. Too often do people describe Sol as being the proper sibling and doing what is expected of her and I do think she is. She's shown to be devoted to her family and critical of her brother's actions but I think that may be more at the fact she actually just wants him to come home and for him and her dad to get along. I'm not saying she's not completely accepting but she's tolerant and knows that with serving time in the military there are bonds that are forged that can never be broken and with someone like Leela she knows her brother has chosen well.
Still doesn't mean she won't find a way to give them both crap on occasion."
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Garrus and Solana! Wooooo!
I've really been wondering what she might look like. I can see now that she's her brother's 'spitting image'. 
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I've always thought they would look similar, for some reason. Seeing BioWare's version of females, though, I wonder if she's supposed to have those elaborate mandibles...
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Oh me too, really. Just that she'd be more feminine naturally. If I didn't ask this before, do you suppose she's the older or younger one? At first I was set on her being the older sibling but lately I find it more charming that she's the younger one.
Heh, and for the BioWare model, god no. I'd hate to see her (or any other female ever again) distorted like that. :/
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I prefer to think of her as younger, because I love "protective older brother" Garrus. Seeing her as the older one would be an interesting twist, though. I haven't seen many stories that write her that way.
Nyreen's model has grown on me, I think. In designing a couple of female turian OC's, I've given them flashy mandibles and I think it looks okay (I'll have to post their designs!). I think Nyreen's problem is just that her mandibles are SO BIG. Add oversized, uncomfortable-looking mandibles to a head shape that doesn't seem very turian to begin with and you have one funny looking lady. I think it would've be okay if they had had her head the correct shape (where the back of her head didn't curve like a human's) and if her mandibles were smaller with just a bit of a spur on the back.
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I know, right?
Ugh, I think it's the top of her head and the tiny little ugly neckplates that get to me. :/ He he, maybe you're right about the proportions there. Tiny neckplates and nothing on top and those big mandibles .. perhaps it's the combination of it all that makes her weird-looking. And please do post those images!
Personally, I treat Nyreen as the female Saren equivalent. Just weird, and there's no saying that every female looks exactly like her, just as ever male certainly doesn't look exactly like Saren.
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I almost think of Garrus as the "muscle" and Sol as the "brains." I do think that he's the more irresponsible of the two and that she ends up scolding him for it. I got that same feeling from their chat. I think he would be very concerned for Sol's well-being though, and he would absolutely die if she tried to pull half the crazy stunts he does. Kind of like, "Do as I say, not as I do."
Oh yes, those stupid little neckplates. Ugh. Those don't make any sense.
Hm... she was a biotic like Saren, too. I wonder if biotic abilities somehow alter plate shape, haha. (I'm sure they just designed Saren and Nyreen to look "different" but it would be interesting if biotics had caused it)
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Ha ha, oh that's the best description ever! 
Hah, yes exactly, that sounds like Garrus all right. So, in Ante up, she's the leader of a military unit, and not just about any unit either. I'm sure he must be worrying about her quite a lot.
No, unless turian males really do bite down on their females during mating. :/
Right, I hadn't thought about that! Lol, or perhaps it's genetic and causes physical changes as well. Why not? Biotic turians are said to be very rare. You're right about that, it's a very interesting idea!
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I'm not sure about turian gender roles... What little we know about their history shows that females can be in pretty powerful positions (I believe female generals and primarchs are mentioned). I tend to thing of turian society as being gender-neutral, especially since females have to enlist in the military with the males. Sol probably didn't take on caring for their mom because it was the socially acceptable thing. I think she just did it on her own. If you think about it, though, I get the feeling that she'll end up caring for their father, too. Sol and their dad were together when the Reapers hit, after all.
When she was in active duty, he probably made her call him after every mission to make sure she was okay.
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No, it makes me quite ambiguous too. Perhaps it varies from person to person, that sense of individual responsibility? Then again, turians are supposed to put everyone (and everything) else before themselves, I guess that might include caring for parents too?
Maybe it also depends on the role of the individual, if the female (or son for that matter) holds a very high standing, like a Primarch or a general, and would thus be needed elsewhere, there'd be other solutions for such a problem.
I've also gotten that more than human gender neutral idea as well, at least when it comes to certain things like military training.
Gaaah, if only we could have met the Vakarians! If only ... I somehow had the mental image of a rather frail old man when I heard his and Garrus discussion. Or maybe it was just because Sol was with him that made me think of him that way ... Regardless, even if his body might be failing, I'm sure Vakarian Sr.'s mind is still as sharp as ever and there'd be every reason for Garrus to want to stay away from the confrontation.
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It's possible that care of the parents is a sort of duty expected of all children. And, maybe Sol is angry at Garrus because he's neglecting his duty in that respect.
I hadn't thought of Garrus' dad as someone who was frail or in need of care until just recently (in my stories, he's still capable of a lot). The more I think about it, though, he's probably pretty old. And, he is retired from C-Sec, so he may not be in the best of health.
Aww... it makes me sad to think of him as an old man, dependent on his daughter to care for him
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That's a lot like what their Shadow broker conversation sounded like to me ...
Yes exactly, I think I've been stuck on that retired part myself. If Garrus is indeed around thirty, his father might be at least twice that old, or even a lot older. I have no real clue to when turians are supposed to retire .. but it seems a bit strange that a sixty year old would already be retired. Now, we don't know how old a sixty year old turian is either of course, but I think it's said somewhere that humans live a bit longer in the ME universe and that turians have comparable lifespans, so ... And depending on which sibling is the youngest, I guess daddy V could even be in his mid seventies?
And of course, illness or even getting hurt in the line of duty could be reasons for his retirment so he might not be that old at all.
Aww, well put like that ... or it might be a charming, loving kind of situation where the old man finally has warmed up to his children?
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I think I read in the codex that they retire from the military after 30 years of service. Since the enlist at 15, they'd be out at 45. That's not C-Sec, of course, but it gives a good estimate. Plus, I would say Pallin and Garrus' father are probably close in age, and Pallin says he's been with C-Sec over 30 years. I'm not sure what to make of it... You also have Victus, who I'd put in the same age range. We know that he served during the First Contact War/Relay 314 which happened roughly 29 years before ME3 (year 2157). At that time, he had to be at least 15, which would make him a minimum of 44 during ME3 events. I get the feeling that he's much older than that, though... Argh! It's driving me crazy!
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Hm, I probably have read that too sometimes then. I do remember Pallin mentioning that many C-SEC officers are former military, so perhaps the force is filled with 'old men'?
I always considered Pallin to be a seasoned old veteran and I think you're just about right about him and Garrus' father. Heh, I hadn't really thought of him as a 75 year old though.
Victus on the other hand .. still a general so he shouldn't be a day over 45? :/ Lol. Then again Tarquin looks perfectly adult to me so he should be in his late twenties or early thirties. So Adrien really should be closer to fifty than fourty unless he was a rather young father when his son was born?
Ha ha, tell me about it!
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Haha, and what if Garrus and Chellick are the youngest turians there? That would be so awkward for them!
I was thinking about the age thing... It seems like 100 is the age we currently consider the "max" for lifespan and I'd say 75 is the a good age to consider "old." So, that's about 3/4 of their life. If the new max age is 150, people wouldn't be considered "old" until they were around 112 year old. In that case, 75 would be the new 50, not so old!
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Lol, yes that'd be awkward for sure! I always figured Chellick was just a baby somehow. No thanks to that voice of his though.
Yes exactly! And that's why it feels VERY awkward and weird that people'd be kicked out of the military service at 45! I mean, seriously, that'd be like the prime of their lives!
And I also reallllllly would like to know how old turian parents can be, I mean, do their women suffer through menopause at all or are they fertile pretty much throughout their lives? (Because teenage parents are adorable .. and because old parents are interesting)
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I guess Garrus just doesn't get the perks because he's a rebel!
Oh, and I was wrong about the codex entry. I thought it said they left the military after 30 years of service, but actually they leave AT age 30:
"Boot camp begins on the 15th birthday. Soldiers receive a year of training before being assigned to a field unit; officers train for even longer. Most serve until the age of 30, at which they become part of the Reserves. Even if they suffer injuries preventing front-line service, most do support work behind the lines."
So, they come out of active duty at 30. I'm guessing they could choose to continue their service and work their way up the ranks (general/primarchs) or just go into the reserves and take up other jobs or start families. If 30 is considered very young or the "prime" of life, that might be a good time for them to have kids. That could also give some insight as to when Garrus' father made the transition from military to C-Sec. Then, if he was with C-Sec as long as Pallin (approximately 30 more years), that would put him at around 60 years old.
Who knows, the time window for having kids might have determined the time of active service in the military. I think 30 is the new 20, so that might be the start of their "fertile" years. That would give females the chance to leave the military and have kids if they wanted. I imagine that there would be a certain age where they weren't fertile anymore, though, unless some sort of scientific breakthrough came into play.
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Yes it could be something like that. Or perhaps he isn't really a 'sit-down' type of officer? Perhaps he's mostly out patrolling or staking the wards so he rarely needs an office of his own?
I see. So the fifteen year rule seems to mean the mandatory time of service, and like you say then they might be free to pursue a career after that if showing promise. Thanks.
I still find it hard to get out of my head that Garrus in ME1 is so young!
I always imagined they'd mature rather slowly. So I've been using fifteen as pretty much the very start of puberty for males, it might be even later for females. And there'd be some physical signs of reaching sexual productivity as well. More about that in the Boot camp diaries later. 
I was just reading a rather interesting book about human sexuality as opposed to the animal kingdom a couple of months ago, and the author explained that there may be only three or four other species on Earth (mammals I think) that have something akin to menopause. Even though fertility decreases slightly with age it never seems to stop completely in most species. So perhaps turians can also father and mother offspring far into an advanced age?
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AAAAAAAAH.
I never thought a Varren
could be so adorable! I'm
happy to say that I was wrong! xD
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Just wait til a later chapter
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Varren are precious fish doggies! How could you say no to those huge eyes?
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