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no is a old, stupid drawing. ^^
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Your drawing is awesome, but mind if I ask a question? Why is Zilla/Godzilla 1998/GINO/Whatever the hell the other names are reddish blue? Is this based off the suit that possessed a ruddish brown color with blue dorsal plates?
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Zilla is basically Toho's parody of Emmerich's version of Godzilla.
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So if only the original is legal, how come Zilla is their?
If you don't know who Zilla is, she's the american bastardised version of Godzilla from the 1998 movie. She only appeared in one other movie and that was in Godzilla Final Wars who was bought by Toho for the sole purpose of being killed by Godzilla.
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I know the Toho Godzilla came first, but for me, the 1998 Godzilla is the better monster overall. It's movies like Godzilla vs. Megalon that hurt my respect of Godzilla. Plus the 1954 took me forever to watch, whereas I can watch the 1998 movie multiple times without interruption.
So 1998 wins for me. I'm honestly disappointed Zilla hasn't gotten another film appearance. (Disgreading the Final Wars scene because, whether you hate him or not, that was just a disappointing fight, unlike the one in in Godzilla Rulers of Earth.)
For me, some of the Toho Godzilla movies have bastardized the 1998 Godzilla (particularly the second one from the animated series).
[EDIT] When I was a kid, I liked Zilla better than Godzilla and overall I still do. (Except for Godzillas that have the appearance of the Final Wars one, pre and post-1970s, and 2014 Godzilla, I like most of them equally or only slightly less.)
Point is, I'm not biased toward one or the other like most Godzilla fans seem to be. It sometimes pisses me off when I see comments like yours. Zilla (I only call him that to avoid confusion as I think Zilla is deserving of the name "Godzilla") is just as good of a monster as Godzilla is if you aren't biased toward the Japanese movies.
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Zilla dos not make any sense officially Zilla is considered an "asexual male," which doesn't make sense. i remember reading multiple times that Dean Devlin said Zilla was a male that had the ability to reproduce asexually. Toho says the same thing as well, since they maintain that all incarnations of Godzilla are male, and Zilla was created as an incarnation of Godzilla. Zilla must at the very least have female reproductive characteristics, but officially he is a male monster.Only POSSIBLE explanation [theory]: Zilla WAS a male, but since there were no females, he changed gender and then layed the eggs [asexually, on top of it all] and then changed back to a boy just so he can be called 'KING.' The only bad thing about it is that Zilla's offspring were all sterile, meaning that that is a terrible thing to do (and makes no sense because if it reproduced asexually, it would mean its children would be exact clones, and therefore WOULD be able to reproduce like Zilla) and a terrible evolutionary thing, but I guess evolution would have nothing to do with that since the Zilla species was just a few iguanas that instead of dying from cancer grew to 60 meters tall in a couple of decades.
The way I see it Theory 2 :, Zilla was born male, but no mates existed at all. So, due to his heavily-irradiated and rapidly-evolving genes, he spontaneously developed female reproductive characteristics (since Patrick Tatapoulos confirmed Zilla has female genitalia) and fertilized his eggs with his already existing male sexual characteristics.
Zilla I assume is like the evolution of an entire species over millions of years in one individual. Zilla produced hundreds of eggs so that there would be a breeding population of Zillas, consisting of both male and female members. Because Zilla evolves and his genes mutate so rapidly, his children were not all clones of him, but genetically different creatures due to rapid embryonic mutation or some other scientifically-impossible process. Since Zilla's offspring would be expected to breed with each other (incestuous, I know, but not rare in nature), Zilla Junior was simply a male member of the species. Since all of his siblings were killed, Zilla Junior had no females to mate with and was sterile.
See, this is what it all boils down to: "Zilla is realistic"
also a creature that size could not exist in any way if its only eating fish
(and if it does not have bones out of titanium it would crush under his own weigth -> Square Cube Law <-
also the proportions of zilla are wrong no Lizard would look like a DINOSAUR!!!!! it also could not jump or climb buildings. Zilla also has the head of a LEGUAN on the bod of a THEROPOD is so wrong and can not exist in nature.
i love Zilla he was my first Kaiju that intodruced me in the Godzilla series but he is not Godzilla he is his own cool bad-ass thing that deserves more love. also Zilla is not more realistic than Big-G , if you truly want a more realistic Godzilla 2014 has it for you
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She, actually. Zilla is a girl. And I know that your giving your opinion and not stating a fact because let's face it. Zilla is nothing compared to the real Godzilla. She's the only kaiju in the Godzilla franchise to be killed by human made weapons. All other Toho Kaiju have been killed by other Kaiju.
I read somewhere that the reason Toho bought Zilla was do declare she wasn't Godzilla in any way, shape or form. They used her in Final Wars for the sole purpose of being killed. And I also read that they bought her so that there would never be another Zilla movie.
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Zilla is an asexual creature, neither a he or a she.
Just stop trying to create facts whe the creatore said otherwise.
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I'm aware Godzilla's a lot more powerful, but that doesn't automatically make Zilla a bad monster. Gigan died just as easily in Final Wars (twice if you count the Antarctica scene) as Zilla did one time in the 1998 movie, yet he's one of the most popular kaiju from what I've seen here, on Youtube, etc.
"And I also read that they bought her so that there would never be another Zilla movie."
Well that honestly makes me lose a lot of respect in Toho. They may not like Zilla, but that doesn't mean the character doesn't have fans. I'd say do what the fans what, not what you want in this case. Zilla Jr. especially, he's what made Zilla popular, it seems. I'd still want to see a fight between Zilla Jr. and LegendaryGoji in a movie.
"She's the only kaiju in the Godzilla franchise to be killed by human made weapons. All other Toho Kaiju have been killed by other Kaiju."
Not entirely true. There's Manda. He was killed by the Gotengo in Godzilla: Final Wars if I remember right. And the original Godzilla was killed by human-made weapons, the oxygen destroyer. King Kong and Pacific Rim kaiju were also killed by humans. (There may be others, but those are the only examples of humans killing kaiju.)
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Does King Kong count as a Kaiju? I mean he's big, but he's not like Super Big. I've never actually been sure of this.
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Not sure either, but "kaiju" is Japanese for monster and since Kong's a giant ape, I guess that counts as a monster.
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Funny! 
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I just gotta say this, it looks like if the American Godzilla is about to eat and swallow the Japanese Godzilla.
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''......well Flash is glitching up your face. [cue Atomic Breath]''
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Not much of an (very effective) atomic breath due to the sizes of these creatures.
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Considering how poor Zilla's resiliency is, even being smaller Godzilla's atomic breath will cause damage. If that fails he has the hyper spiral ray.
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Touché, but then again, how poor or great Zilla's resiliency actually is depends on who's creating the fight, someone may decide to let Zilla have much greater resiliency.
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Your comment made me remember something just now. I remember reading some comments on youtube that Zilla Jr fans made an ability called berserk mode for Zilla Jr. Since Godzilla is initially more powerful then Jr, I figured it was a power boost so Jr can stand on equal footing with Godzilla. Then I find out they made it that the berserk mode makes him 25X more powerful.
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American Godzilla is 160 feet (estimated from the height of the pillars on the Brooklyn Bridge) and the Godzilla from 1954 - 1975 is 170 feet. Zilla in Final Wars is not the American Godzilla btw, considering the two look different if you study them, Zilla being 90 meters as the American Godzilla being 40 meters, and some other factors which I'll prove in this video here.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tT62B7xJY8
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Mechaghostman2, please look at the Darkrai-kid's "Zilla name change" article he wrote on Wikizilla, and you'll probably notice what's wrong with the article by yourself. And Darkrai, please don't try to promote your hate on the American Godzilla, it's embarrasing. By the way, no, he obviously doesn't like Zilla "a lot" so please stop forcing people into going all "zilla" like you, judging from his comment it seems like he prefers Godzilla (1998) over Zilla. Thank you, that would be all. Peace out! ;D
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I can see you like Zilla a lot, and I can respect that fully. Toho renamed the 1998 creature to Zilla. Why? Lots of of reasons, just search up "Zilla name change" on Google and click on the first link you see. The appearance differences? TriStar had good CGI artists, Toho didnt use CGI that much and were thus bad at it. Toho tried their best to recreate the look of the 199 creature because after all, TriStar never did give Toho the Computer-generated model of Zilla. Also the size differences are explained very easily; Toho had problems with their miniature sets in G:FW and so every monster's size has been increased greatly. You might say "but then why didn't keep Zilla his original size?", well, that is also easily explained. Toho, even though they hated the 1998 creature, didn't want Godzilla to overkill Zilla too much, and actually give Zilla a bit of a chance to fighting Godzilla; they didn't want to make it look like Zilla was a bug and Godzilla squashed him easily. You know, I like Zilla's design and his roar, I've fully gotten over the 1998 film, and I appreciate Zilla Junior, which means I don't hate Zilla in any way. Thank you for reading.
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Hahaha! Totally awesome! Way to go Godzilla (Zilla)! LOL! XD
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Not sure I'm following the logic of this piece. Either your characters are representations of in-universe characters or they aren't. For instance, if Godzilla's really just a man in a suit,s houldn't the American Ziller be represented by a computer on a desk? Unless, perhaps, CGI creatures are real. Maybe that's why they're cranking out CG animators at break-neck pace, too many of them are getting mauled by their creations.
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You do realize the 1998 Godzilla was made into a giant robotic model too and not only CGI? By the way, that G98 robot-model was also considerably bigger than the Japanese Godzilla suits, so this painting is pretty accurate. And I think you forget that logic is not necessarily meant to be used on artworks, not all artworks anyway.
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Ah, yes, the 1/16th scale “Mamma Godzilla”. Wasn’t she gorgeous? You know, though, Jurassic Park wasn’t the first movie to use animatronics. They’d made attempts at it in the past, and typically they’d just end up a waste of money. De Laurentiis’ life-sized Kong was completely immobile and couldn’t withstand close ups, the 16 foot tall cybot Godzilla for the 1984 movie and the big foot for Monster Zero really didn’t offer greater impact than the suit, except that the cybot could curl his lips. It took access to the latest engineering technology to actually make full-sized animatronics worth building. That’s what made Jurassic Park a reality (and boy what a reality it was!). Foreign studios simply don’t have the funds to try things like that. And that Godzilla ’98 spent $120 million to the original’s $900,000 is definitely not a feather in its cap.
But then you’re really missing my point; it’s not the visual effect, it’s how it’s implemented. Go back and watch the first Terminator (and I know you’re really bad with analogies, but stick with me, here). The opening sequence is so clearly miniature now, but it is still on a whole a better flick than Salvation. The implementation is what matters and Toho has always done better than they’ve ever been given credit for. That it is a man in a suit doesn’t mean that it was done poorly, and statements like “I can see the zipper” should immediately discredit anyone, because anyone who’s ever actually seen anything from the making of Godzilla knows that there was no zipper, the entire dorsal column was removed, and that the actors cannot get in and out of those things unassisted. Toho has always approached the Godzilla movies professionally, and if you over-simplify the product as a Halloween costume, then CGI can be equally over simplified to a cartoon.
And the artwork itself is, in terms of execution, fine. The artist has definitely gotten a better grasp on Godzilla since this. And I get it, the fandom can be irritating, and admittedly I'm lending to this right now with my petulance, but being so flippant tends to rub me the wrong way. I'd like to believe people who love monsters would love ALL monsters. Why does there have to be Harryhausen purists? Or Hollywood purists?
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I understand and agree with your reasoning. But I'm still not sure you're looking at this artwork the "right" way. And the "zipper" thing is just a joke because of it being a costume (not like a Halloween-costume though), it doesn't imply it had an actual zipper. And I'm not saying that the Japanese were bad at making monsters, on the contrary, I consider their creations to be awesome and well done, like you said, better than they've been given credit for. Yes, indeed, I agree with you, and as a monster lover I know I certainly love all monsters. Though I have to ask, do you love all monsters? And do you think I've understood you correctly?
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Yeah, dude, I think you really got it. And yeah, I love all monsters. Even Sharktopus.
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The american godzilla has a cool design but the japanese godzilla will always be the best.
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I think they are both awesome!
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(thats notright havent you seen godzilla finalwars zilla gets slamed in the ribs smashed into a building and then blown up and godzilla was bigger not the u.s. one the japenese one xo) you're right but fanart dont gotta be like the real deal thats why its called fanart, nice art and good use of shades, like the way US zilla was detailed.
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hmm more protected, longer more maneuverable tale, slightly larger, way more reach, larger bite capacity, fast, agile, snapjaw, better eyesight, fast swimmer, and burrower vs... atomic breath and ??? more aggression?
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Final wars battle was crap.
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So, so, so, totally true, my friend!!! Really wise and logical words! Final Wars was practically just a parody, nothing really serious.
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Words not wise or logical. He really did make up those stats. The only links he provided defer to height, which is simply info that anyone can acquire. No where is it stated that the American Godzilla eats his carrots, but the original doesn't. In the movie, however, American Godzilla was affected by highbeams, while the original has never shown an aversion to light. And that American Godzilla would have better eyesight wouldn't make sense because he's primarily a subterrainian monster anyway. Your guys' argument may as well be "USA! USA!"
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His words are great, but his references are admittedly not too great, but I never cared about the refs, because what he stated is what we all can observe by ourselves. I don't know how great the eyesight really is. And in the case of AmeriGoji, the tunnel where the main characters were trapped in the 1998 film was all dark, and although Godzilla might have seen them (I say might because the tunnel was so small and narrow the monster had a hard time having its head fit into the tunnel and get a good sight on the target) he was startled when they bright lights suddenly were right in his eyes, I'm pretty sure the Japanese Godzilla would have reacted to such a thing too. And AmeriGoji is not "primarily" a subterranean creature, it is a mix of subterranean, aquatic and land-bound, although considering he's great at climbing buildings for example he's probably ruling the air aswell, and I don't mean flying, he's just at the same altitudes. He's a hybrid (in many ways), as stated several times.
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No, Godzilla FORAGES above ground, and hunts and travels by sea. He LIVES underground. That’s where he is most of the movie.
And everything else doesn’t matter. I could say that Godzilla’s secret power in the 98 movie is to emit some sort of stupid field rendering everyone in a military uniform incompetent. There’s enough evidence for it. The soldier that can’t tell flesh from Earth when Godzilla’s eyelids are ten feet from him, the soldiers who manage to miss Godzilla when by all logic he should have been shot full of holes in the first ambush, or the helicopter pilots who would rather fly at convenient biting height instead of their maximum altitude where they could easily observe, track, and fire upon Godzilla. But there’s no evidence of that in the movie. So it has no place in a debate. Both Godzillas are incredibly coordinated, and both have hit air born objects. There’s no evidence that either one has “better eye sight.” But to say that Amerizilla is “better protected” is pretty much the antithesis of the movie. That he COULD be killed more easily than his Japanese counterpart was practically the point of that movie. And he’s only ever climbed buildings at the end of the movie, and in the cartoon series. Never has he used that ability in any practical setting. In fact, that we DIDN’T get to see him in the kinds of poses he was in in most of the promo art was one of the more disappointing factors of that movie.
Look dude, there are plenty of monsters he COULD beat. The Gargantuas, Frankenstein's monster, maybe Varan or Baragon, but not Godzilla.
And the Japanese version ain't invincible. There are plenty of characters that could beat him; Destoroyah, The Hulk, Superman, Kronos, but not the American version.
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1. Yes, you've got a point there, he does forage above ground, hunt and travel by sea, and he does live underground (and in an underwater cave in the Hudson River in the animated series).
2. About the stupid field; We as an audience obviously could tell flesh from earth in that particular scene (since it was practically implied just because we got to see such a scene, we could figure out something was meant to happen in that scene), but if that scene was reality, I don't think the soldiers would necessarily have easily identified that tunnel's "dead end" as Godzilla's skin, since his skin is meant to blend in so well with the environment I think it could have been easy to misidentify that "dead end" as merely earth and a tunnel in ruins. There was practically nothing that implied it had to be Godzilla's skin, it wasn't even moving when they found it; In the first ambush, Godzilla was practically shot many times, he just didn't get hurt, and he just dodged the most powerful weapons, there's nothing that say he would have been shot full of holes; Considering they had to be in the right height to get the most effective shots on such a huge creature and that they wanted to use missiles on the creature (I remember someone saying those missiles weren't meant for targets on ground so they needed to be on a convenient altitude in order to fire) which would have been their best weapons, I think they did it right.
3. I agree that there's no evidence that either had better eye sight, and I don't know where you got the idea that AmeriGoji is better protected, and yes of course, they wanted to make a Godzilla that could be (more easily, or realistically if you will) defeated by man.
4. AmeriGoji climbed buildings during the first ambush before they shot down the Chrysler Building, and of course in the end and the cartoon, but I guess they couldn't have it all in the film, Just enough so that we know what he can do. The promos were just more of an extension of showing the creature's abilities and what it was able to do and withstand, and I accept that they couldn't have it all or too much of it in the feature film, but maybe it could have been seen more frequently in subsequent films, games, comics and other merchandise (too bad we didn't get these things though).
5. What monsters he could actually beat or not I think is a matter of opinion, especially considering it depends on who is creating the battle. Lets say in one story made by a certain individual he might not have been able to defeat the original Godzilla, but maybe in another story made by another person he might have been able to defeat him. It's all about choice and opinion, and what you believe. Although everything you really need is imagination, as it plays an important part in these topics.
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It wasn't a parody, it was pretty realistic considering how the 1998 creature got taken down with missiles. It was too short and one-sided, though.
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It was evidently a parody, to call that scene anything like realistic... Thats just wrong. That parody was as far from realistic as you can get. I mean the animations were ridiculous and the movements and behaviour of Zilla was ridiculous, and jumping like if it had no weight and Godzilla 2004 uses its tail to send Zilla away into the Sydney Opera House? I mean Godzilla 2004 is even too heavy to make such fast moves. If that parody scene is realistic then I'm Santa Clause. But although the scene might not be considered anything that could have happened, I guess it's a matter of opinion.
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Okay, so Zilla was a parody. Never mind the fact that the kaiju roster was dictated by the monsters Ryuhei Kitamura actually liked, never mind that Ryuhei stated in interviews that he liked the 98 movie, never mind that Zilla outlasts Hedorah and Ebirah (both very formidable monsters who were killed AT ONCE, without ever visibly exchanging blows with Godzilla), never mind that it doesn't make sense to spend millions of dollars on a special effect as a joke... No, Zilla's fight wasn't short because it was meant as a parody. It was short because CGI is expensive, and they needed to make more time for the wire fu, which was clearly what Kitamura was actually on board for anyways. But whatever, you're clearly past irrational discourse.
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Well, I'm not the only one who consider Zilla to be a parody. Yes, Kitamura liked the 1998 film, that much is true, but like a lot of other fans he obviously didn't like the creature, or he didn't like it as Godzilla. If it makes sense to spend a certain amount of money on a joke is totally a matter of opinion, and I don't know how much money it took to create Zilla and its scenes. Although it might not have been intended, Zilla (to me at least) seems to be a parody of Godzilla '98. I think it could then seem plausible to suggest Zilla's fight was short because it was both a parody/mocking (as a bonus) and because CGI is expensive, although I don't know how much it actually cost to make Zilla as I've found no information about it. Until we can confirm all these things it's just speculation, and even if I may not agree on a few points, I totally understand your reasoning and I will consider your points.
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To be perfectly frank, the whole movie comes off as a parody. It wasn't meant to be anything but a romp. And, I will apologize for assuming aspects of your character. That was wrong of me.
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Better protected? From what? Jabs at the visual effects? You do realize the list of things to have successfully killed the original Godzilla could be counted on both hands, while the remade version was killed by standard Tomahawk missiles?
Also pretty sure your making most of those stats up. Even assuming your stats are accurate, as fast as the remade version is, it can't run faster than Godzilla can turn his head. It'd be much like that fight in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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oh yeah, I made the stats up and put out two whole pages of reference material just so I could link them for a debate with you. I have no need to debate this. Anyone with common sense can see how obvious it is.
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Agreed: A creature who takes bombs and bullets like it's nothing would most definitely squash a critter, albeit faster and a little bigger, that dies after being shot six times. That's purty obvious.
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I will also agree that the fight in Final Wars was disappointing, as were most of its monster fights.
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