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heredia28 In reply to IniStrife [2015-04-22 22:23:54 +0000 UTC]

yea he stabbed her and doing what he should - he tired of her hypocritical bullshit, he tired of how she has happiness, freedom, love while he lived in tears, pain, suffering and neglect

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IniStrife In reply to heredia28 [2015-04-22 23:38:39 +0000 UTC]

Noooo~ you didn't get it.

The one stabbing Aerith wasn't Sephiroth.
It looked like him, but was just a mere puppet of Jenova shaped like Sephiroth.

Probably even moved by Jenovas will rather than Sephiroths. Since...let's be honest, he hasn't much left at that point anyway of his own free will.

But think, when you see this, Jenova is at the position of the one "watching" a "beloved" one getting pierced through.
IF the puppet is completely moved by Jenova itself, this satisfaction shown in that one glare and smile (done by the puppet looking like Sephiroth) would make sense. Since then it would be like Jenova piercing through a loved one of Cloud, like he did before in Nibelheim with Sephiroth.

Also....Aerith was gonna to pull some sh** that'll stop Jenovas plans, can't have that.

Sephiroth himself was inside of the Mako-Cristal at that time already. So he himself never DID kill Aerith...the people in Nibelheim...Jup. Definetly. But all that killing from shinra over the world to the north crate....wasn't Sephiroth but a mere puppet.

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heredia28 In reply to IniStrife [2015-04-22 23:47:22 +0000 UTC]

no - at first just remember how she lived and how he lived - she had loving parents, lot of friends, she was allowed to do what she wants, he was neglected by his whorish mother and insane father, he lived in lab!!!could you imagine how it is, he grown in isolation and was treated no different from some frog or rat, no one treated his like human being, when he grown and they realised him everyone thought he is freak and always hissed how disgusting he is - just remember aeriths date with zack "normal the best""weird people" on his place i would slice her for such cruel words, also i would hate her at least because its horrible to see how someone is loving, free, loved while you sat in her cell, slept on the floor cause no one cared about how do you feel, never had friend, never who would talk to you instead of just insulted you and ordered you around

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IniStrife In reply to heredia28 [2015-04-23 00:57:58 +0000 UTC]

Sephiroth wasn't insulted while he was a general in soldiers.

He might not be loved like a son or child during his growth but he wasn't really mistreated either, he had his own room and later on his own apartment in the shinra building, like any other soldier.
He hadn't it half as hard as those guys down in Deepground. Sometimes being called in for a medical check, maybe some tests about his stamina and strength. Most likely seen on how knowledgeable he was, he even got thought a lot of things. He never seems in pain because of the knowledge he has. Even so is intelligent enough to see a "fool" in Professor Hojo.

Actually he was even worshiped. But that might be as cruel as anything else too.
It made him distant to others without giving him a chance to build up a social connection to anyone.
By putting him high onto a pedestal, they set him outside real contact and social interactions. So the people who rather idolized him even at a young age set this in motion.

The whole cell thing was imagined by fans. Not at all you will find prove of that in the games. Sephiroth was a success for them and he did follow orders without any fail or flaw, so he had earned his place and thus they never needed to do such over the head cruel things. It was somewhere even implied, that it was Sephiroths intention to fight and how he is seen in the flashbacks, probably he wanted to protect. Until he lost his mind. What is still realistic, if you see how desperate he stays for social interactions somehow. Most of his rather cool behavior seems more out of not knowing what to do than really being just above it when you think from that angle about it.

His mother didn't neglected him, I think you refer to Hojo when you say insane father, thus Hojo was the one to take the child away. His mother did agree on the experiment, but not to not be allowed to be by his side.
Why ya think she got into that Cristal? Guilt over Guilt.

And then the thing...Sephiroth has no reason to hate Aerith.
It isn't even known if he ever really met her before, thus he doesn't even know all about her life. And at that point he would be capable to hate even a stranger he never met, he wouldn't care about all of that either.

And Aeriths "happy" life:
How Hojo murdered her Father, enslaved her mother and her at a young age to do further researches on the Cetra, which last ones they were, her mother and herself.
Till her Mother could escape with her to the slums, where Elmyra did take her under her wing. True.
But for a long time Tseng kept quiet about that.

Not even Shinra Inc. knew for a long time were she was and so....where should Sephiroth gather that kind of information? Down in the Shinra Mansion? He read all the researches considering the Jenova Projects, everything else wasn't of interests for him.

The only thing he might have known at some point, that she was a Cetra. But even that wasn't mentioned at all.
Did "Sephiroths" dialog never struck you as odd at that particular moment when "he" killed Aerith?

And a thing Aerith had to deal with, Sephiroth didn't since Jenova ain't no Cetra:
Not to forget how it is to always KNOW when someone died....during the game FF7 she goes through all stages of grief. Losing Zack had crumbled her. She denies it, she gets mad, she bargains that he might life somewhere else with another girl.....until she accepts his death and her own when the blade finally goes through her, she seems kinda relieved until the muscles loosen up, making her expression blank.

That's why I mentioned the "puppet" Theory. Although it makes more sense, since, no matter what he might have felt....He wasn't capable of doing anything at that time Aerith was killed, since he was ALREADY in the Mako-Cristal, he was in it since the Nibelheim incident.

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heredia28 In reply to IniStrife [2015-04-23 12:46:10 +0000 UTC]

really?i thought he know her, and i never heard he had appartment, im asked my friends who also interested in him - they said that just like me they had no idea about if he had a bed at least and mostly we decided that he lived in same conditions with main heroine of elfen lied(cause he remind us of her and so its the reason we likes him)by the way is it really Zack raped him just because Aerith refused have sex with Zack - or its just stupid fic which have nothing to do with canon?(cause when i saw that fic i wanted to kill Zack, Aerith and author and i thought Sephiroth would kill Zack if Zack will do it but yet again Sephiroth sometimes appeared too weak-hearted for his wellbeing)Also Elmyra its a bitch - saved Aerith, yet didnt saved Sephiroth, about Aerith - everyone cared about her, if Zack would want sex with her and she refused she wouldnt force her while then he instead will go and force Sephiroth, Sephiroth might didnt know about sex he might didnt know he could refuse, not to mention Zack called him inhuman, scolded Lazard when Lazard dared to have mercy onto Sephiroth and allow him not to chase Angeal. Also Aerith didnt know how it feels being neglected, scorned, used - never have anyone who didnt think you are freak of nature or some kind of tool, she had many worshippers who would grief over her, while Sephiroth never have anyone who will care about him even Angeal more worried about Genesis, they all want to see him broken and endured onto him cruel experiments with lack of anestesy and show him that he is too low to recieve luxury of care which was received by everyone else, when he standed with someone they either shunned him or show how they unhappy about him standing next to them - just remember moment after escape of Hollander Sephiroth appeared, Zack saw his and said "lucky me"in very unhappy and disappointed tone like its such great pain and gross that such disgusting creature like Sephiroth dared to get into divine presence of Zack, later when Sephiroth asked Cloud simple question "how it feels to be in hometown" Cloud of course didnt answered in case not to lose his status of popular kid by answered questions of such low creature like Sephiroth 

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IniStrife In reply to heredia28 [2015-04-23 16:06:30 +0000 UTC]

He had like any other Soldier a Room, after  playing Crisis Core I am even sure he lifed in a small apartment with Angeal and Genesis, in the Headquarters of Shinra Inc. Like any other Soldier has.

It is one of the reasons that building is so tall, who doesn't life in Midgar directly on the plate and is part of Shinra, lifes in the building in small but still with enough room to life rooms inside. Also....President Shinra may have some bad things happening under his "rule" but he does take good care of those who are obidient and don't fail him.

What the....did you guys smoke anything?
Zack didn't rape anyone. He couldn't even do such a thing, he is way to naiv and apparently even a bit shy when it comes to serious romance. Although he is a flirt if he likes someone. Why you think he get's so hyper when Aerith hangs out with him? He is just genuinly happy about it.
It is no canon at all. Just fanfiction.

I played the games quite often, nearly every year I replay them just for the fun of it. And in none of them such a behavior can be found by the characters.
Zack would NEVER force himself on anyone. That is bullshit right there of strange people calling themselve fans while destroying all that makes the characters unique.
Don't draw conclusions based on such nonsense.

Sephiroth was a knight in shining armor, no doubt, before he got crazy.
But so were Zack.

And Elmyra NEVER had a chance to "help" Sephiroth. Next to the point, that no one knew he needed help. Everything he did, he succseded in. For everyone he seemed doing well.
No  one guessed that he is lonely and without something to hold on to when the world is falling down for him.

In Crisis Core it was shown that he did manage to become friends with Angeal and Genesis, but as soon Genesis lost his mind this bond broke apart. No matter how he and Angeal tried to reason with Genesis, no matter how much Zack tried to help Sephiroth and Angeal to get Genesis to listen to reason.....even Zack were there for him, as good he could.
It just...at some point, when Genesis called Seph a true Monster for not helping him now after so much time were Genesis did destroy so many peoples lives...it broke something in him.
But both were desperate. Both were hurt.
Zack did try to tell him it wasn't true, but couldn't reach him, since they weren't that close enough.

Angeal and Genesis did care a lot about Sephiroth, in their "good" times, before Crisis Core. That is why Sephiroth was so attached to them and tried till the bitter end to help them.
He wasn't completly alone, but that just wasn't enough.

And Aerith doesn't know? You kidding? Unlike Sephiroth SHE was in tubes and cages. Since she WAS just an Subject to Prof. Hojo. Till her mother broke free with her.
Think about it befor blurting that out. She had a good reason not to want to be catched by the Turks. She just ain't someone to talk about it.
She even was in one of those things in the game and how Hojo tried to "breed" her with Red 13 was quite showing of how he interacted with her and her mother back then too.

And the other things you got all wrong.
Zack didn't sound unhappy because of Sephiroth, the situation was just the worst.
And Cloud didn't answer him because he admired Sephiroth at that time to a point that kept him speechless when the "great general Sephiroth" talked to him. He probably feared to stutter in front of his idol and make himself look like a fool.

Zack does like Sephiroth and admires his strength. As does Cloud at that time periode look up to Sephiroth.

Remember after they chased Hollander further, how he talked with Sephiroth, the only one he can talk with about these kind of things. Due to their secrecy code of Shinra.
And then how he doesn't know what to say to not hurt Sephiroth more and still want to show he cares and Sephiroth cuts him off smiling to tell him he can have a bit of time to spend with his girlfriend.

Seph did know that Zack had one, Zack didn't really made it a secret, but he never knew who it was.

Sephiroth and Lucy are certainly far away from eachother when it comes on how the world treated them. But don't be fooled, when your "admired" since your a small boy that builds up a much harder wall to go through to even get normal social interactions. So you still be lonely in the end.

The only close ones he had were Angeal and Genesis, until Genesis lost hope and falled into despair. It all starts with despair. Why you think, he wanted to bring it to others?

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heredia28 In reply to IniStrife [2015-04-23 18:22:12 +0000 UTC]

i heard about he wanted to breed her, but i thought it was just rumor

About Aerith i gues he felt relative soul in her, she suits him more than anyone, so he was excited, and maybe he wouldnt rape anyone but considering his xenophobia about "weird people" he might think its allright to rape someone who are not human in his eyes
About Cloud - its hard to image that he might sturtled other someone whom he considered as lowest race
everyone especially Zack scorned Zack for he had no attachment, even Genesis had grudge onto him and didnt like him, Hojo only wants to use him(though in my fic he usually like Kurama - i mean in my fic he actually loved his son, brought him flowers for birthday, lent him pocket money but because of shinra he is not allowed to show it on public people said its realistic and i think so, that maybe he actually loved son, just was forced by shinra to experimented onto him)no one care about him even for Kadaj he just some bastard who stole heart of jenova, barret hated bhim for nothing - for what?appearance e t c just result of experiments which was endured against his will, about work in shira which wasnt his chose either(though in one my fic when Sephiroth runs from turks - when he went into bushes to empty his bladder he run across male turks having threesome with eachother and he started to mock them - hided in barrets place he explained to him everything, why he hided from turks, and how he was force to work for shinra, Barret felt sorrow for him and offered him to join avalange but sephiroth refused offering, explaining that in avalanche he wouldnt be accepted as well, about shinra i thought he is jerk but i didnt agree with bitches who wrote that he raped Sephiroth, he definitely didnt want to do it with Sephiroth, he didnt even thought about this, and sephiroth is not his type)

So Zack didnt desired to harm Sephiroth?its weird, i could see malice of him and desire to hurt Sephiroth - my friend said she saw fic there Zack raped Angeal, Sephiroth and Genesis we decide that if he will get opportunity he really would do it - so i wrote my own which should be kinda continuation - after Zack did such heroical deeds like rape Sephiroth, Angeal and Genesis and so drived them to suicide - he went to date with Aerith only to saw her dead and crucified - he began griefing, then heard steps behind his back, turn around and saw sister of Sephiroth she sodomised him with the stick, then beheaded him then griefed for it was the first time she killed someone not for fan, then resurected Sephiroth and his friends and making love with him Kazeeva(my friend who tell me about fic there Zack raped Sephiroth and his friends)was excited over this, another girl - wasnt my friend we just chated a little when she praised my fic about Sephiroth beated and killed Zack cause Zack making fun from the death of Sephiroths daughter(Sephiroth`s daughter was born with horns and not useful for shinra so she was ordered to get killed, Sephiroth griefed very much, when he heard Zacks talk, in which Zack said its allright to kill people if they have something like wings its reminded Sephiroth how his daughter was killed just because she had birth defect its madened him, he made Zack came to basement there he curved cursings onto Zack`s spine and then shoot him, then shoot himself) - she said she didnt know there he lived but she gues it was similar to Lucys incarcerating with freezing water from hose, strapped to the table at night, chained to the wall at day e t c all before he decide to break free during his task, Zack really seemed dangerous and prejudging, if i was Sephiroth i would stay away from him or to destroy him until he would destroy me, cause he is obsessed with things like becoming hero its unhealthy, besides he had racism towards winged people

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IniStrife In reply to heredia28 [2015-04-23 18:45:20 +0000 UTC]

Again....this time shorter..Zack did NEVER EVER RAPE ANYONE! And wouldn't do that for that matter either not under any circumstances. Also what is your deal with weird people? Zack has nothing against people who are different. He might be shocked at first when he didn't expected that but would never based on such thing be mean to someone.
It is quite impossible for everyone to rape Sephiroth, since unlike Elfenlied there is nothing that would make him weak enough to let it happen. Not even an order, he did have enough freedom to be a person in general unlike what you heard.

I don't know what you read and where you got that....but this is Final Fantasy 7 and not Elfenlied where everyone is a rapist.

The only person who would maybe try to attempt rape would be Don Corneo but that freak got what he had coming twice in the game, when you got yuffie even from Avalanch and the Turks. So yeah.

And Cloud did as he worked for Shinra NOT think any less of Sephiroth. Except from Hojo, President Shinra and Zack no one really knew....Hollander,Genesis and Angeal might had  a clue but didn't knew till a certain periode in Crisis Core either.
In that time of his life Cloud saw Sephiroth as the idole everyone did. The shining great general Sephiroth he wanted to be like. That was his whole reason to join Shinra in the first place!
He was rather dissapointed in himself though, that he didn't make it to Soldier but just Infanterist and thus didn't even dare to speak with the General even if he talked to him. Though he was nervous and happy somewhat about it.

Get the facts right and DON'T take that stuff from Fanfics....this is all wrong!
FANFIC AIN'T CANON!

Zack is a gentle and funny guy. He does gets more serious when he ages but he cares deeply for Angeal and even Genesis and Sephiroth once he sees what has been done to them and doesn't want anything else then to stop this madness and help them. He reaches out to them even longer than Sephiroth does.
Since he even tried to talk Sephiroth out of his madness but failed.

And Hojo is NOT a gentle soul......he is the worst possible person you could imagine. He didn't love Lucrecia, he didn't love Sephiroth. He doesn't care for anybody. Probably he lacks empathy at all. For him only he himself is the most precious thing in the world. He only did creat Sephiroth in order to show his own genius and later on tries to become the highest lifeform in Dirge of Cerberus.

I really don't even want to know the butchery you and your friends make with the poor cast of Final Fantasy 7. Didn't they had it hard enough? All of them....they had choices to make and all of them made mistakes and good things too. Some ended with the mistakes and some with the good things

But none of them did take part in rape or such things. They might have been in war as Soldiers, but at least the maincast DIDN'T do any of these gruesome things you try to defend they did. None of that happened in any of the games and it is even hinted otherwise.

Again Final Fantasy 7 one thing, Elfenlied another seperate thing with totally other personallitys and circumstances.
Those kind of fanfictions taken as utter truth for the canon of the story is really the worst.

If such storys are your guilty pleasure, alright, but don't try to discuss a canon character action with arguments taken out of a fanfiction. This argument only can fail specially when the fanfiction has nothing to do anymore with what happens in the canon at all.

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heredia28 In reply to Isashi-42 [2015-04-22 23:48:16 +0000 UTC]

he wasnt hero - he was slave, it wasnt his choice to live in isolation, being tortured and shuned by society

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CrystalAngelOfDarkne In reply to Isashi-42 [2013-11-15 12:41:41 +0000 UTC]

You're not alone. 

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howlingvoice In reply to Shadomew [2011-03-17 01:56:29 +0000 UTC]

actuallt in the game I believe it was a sideways hit. I drew it this way because it makes more SENSE. XD Vertical impale means it could have missed anything vital, but sideways... nope. XD Idk why Seph wasn't cleaved in half.

HE'S JUST THAT AWESOMMEEEEEEE.

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howlingvoice In reply to Boomchick [2010-10-01 20:19:27 +0000 UTC]

Thanks =3

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howlingvoice In reply to VincentRinehart [2010-09-20 21:26:33 +0000 UTC]

Thanks ^^

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howlingvoice In reply to mellymerry [2010-09-18 18:23:53 +0000 UTC]

Thankyoouuu <3

I'm trying to get better at using colourrrr xD

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mellymerry In reply to howlingvoice [2010-09-18 19:56:05 +0000 UTC]

youre improving for sure ;O; <333

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howlingvoice In reply to mellymerry [2010-09-18 20:09:40 +0000 UTC]

yeey I'm glad! ; ;

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howlingvoice In reply to Goddess-of-BUTTSECKS [2010-09-15 22:27:18 +0000 UTC]

MAAMMMMMYYYYYYYYY

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howlingvoice In reply to HYBRID-VAMPIRE-CHICK [2010-09-06 23:23:36 +0000 UTC]

xD I dont think shed be too hard she's just all weird shapes. I just couldnt be botheerreddd.

Haha I laughed too. I always laugh when people fall down stairs. XD

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HYBRID-VAMPIRE-CHICK In reply to howlingvoice [2010-09-06 23:38:12 +0000 UTC]

well oh well it dont really matter right?
lol! good my friend was all like wtf!?

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howlingvoice In reply to HYBRID-VAMPIRE-CHICK [2010-09-07 00:34:36 +0000 UTC]

xDD I remember in the cinema when me and a friend went to see the Second Harry Potter wayy back when. That bit where he's being chased by the snake and falls over... we both BURST out laughing and were the only ones who did. It was epic.

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HYBRID-VAMPIRE-CHICK In reply to howlingvoice [2010-09-07 06:03:50 +0000 UTC]

lol! i totally member that part XD
that wouldve been funny to see XD

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howlingvoice In reply to 191026 [2010-09-06 19:54:16 +0000 UTC]

Thank you ^^

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howlingvoice In reply to NoBuddy-else [2010-09-06 17:46:17 +0000 UTC]

Thanks xD

lol yea Seph woulda hammered Cloud if he wasn't distracted.

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howlingvoice In reply to fateavernicus [2010-09-06 05:16:07 +0000 UTC]

Super ouch more like xD

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howlingvoice In reply to SasukeTheAvenger90 [2010-09-06 03:00:53 +0000 UTC]

But its sexy glass.

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howlingvoice In reply to ArgentumDragon [2010-09-06 01:32:20 +0000 UTC]

This is how it went. He got stabbed before being thrown off the edge, and before impaling Cloud.

Look up Crisis Core cutscenes on youtube. It also happens in the one shot anime thing Last Order...

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ArgentumDragon In reply to howlingvoice [2010-10-16 19:16:49 +0000 UTC]

i own have finished and still play the game .-. i know how it went D'X

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ArgentumDragon In reply to Chewymunch [2010-09-06 01:28:58 +0000 UTC]

im afraid i thought the same i think

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Chewymunch In reply to ArgentumDragon [2010-09-06 02:44:53 +0000 UTC]

XD

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