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montrain101 [2021-04-10 03:27:33 +0000 UTC]
Thatβs a good one
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Duckytheduck096 [2016-06-22 17:50:50 +0000 UTC]
Fuck political correctness!Β
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Haupia [2014-12-16 11:49:58 +0000 UTC]
A lot of my native friends are people who hate the logo and want it changed. Seeing as they've lived the experience of someone indigenous, whether they were raised on a reservation or off, the fact that they don't like being lumped and stereotyped like the sports logo and team name is doing, makes them narrow minded?? Wow.
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kyrtuck [2014-12-01 20:09:30 +0000 UTC]
I never understood why having a Native America mascot was offensive.Β It shouldn't be any different from having a viking, patriot, spartan, whatever mascot.
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FancyFox02 In reply to kyrtuck [2016-07-13 04:27:48 +0000 UTC]
It would be fine if it wasn't literally a negative stereotype of Native Americans, and it's legit a slur to call a Native a "Redskin". But you know, 'Murica.
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kyrtuck In reply to FancyFox02 [2016-07-13 13:35:47 +0000 UTC]
Then wouldn't that make Vikings, Spartans, Patriots and a bunch of other human mascots offensive as well?Β The only reason I can logic out for Native American warriors being offensive is that its not showing the peaceful side of those people.
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FancyFox02 In reply to kyrtuck [2016-07-13 15:22:52 +0000 UTC]
Again, it's not that it's a Native American that makes it offensive, it's the way they portray him. The Seminoles have a Native mascot, however they don't portray the mascot as some goofy red skinned guy with a couple feathers sticking out of his head and are much more respectful in there depiction. Also, Vikings and Spartans aren't even around anymore, so I'm not completely sure how that's relevant.
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kyrtuck In reply to FancyFox02 [2016-07-13 15:46:18 +0000 UTC]
And Native Americans nowadays don't live anywhere near the way they used to in pre colonial times, so if Vikings and Spartans are irrelevant, then soΒ are Native American mascots.Β No one actually lives in traditional clothes anymore, you know.
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FancyFox02 In reply to kyrtuck [2016-07-13 18:29:12 +0000 UTC]
Vikings and Spartans are irrelevant because they no longer exist, Native people exist but are still played off as "savages" or only being old men with feathers and red skin. You don't see any logos of overly exaggerated stereotypes of any other races, because they would instantly be called out, so why is it suddenly not racist when its towards Native Americans?Β
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kyrtuck In reply to FancyFox02 [2016-07-13 21:54:31 +0000 UTC]
Vikings are just Scandinavians, and Spartans are just Greeks.Β Both Scandinavians and Greeks still exist, but their lifestyles have changed a whole ton since then.Β Same with Native Americans.
And I of course do see stereotypes of other groups, and they all get called out.Β But for some reason Sports mascots are very Native American-centric.
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FancyFox02 In reply to kyrtuck [2016-07-14 02:18:15 +0000 UTC]
What sports team's logo is a racial stereotype against some group other than Native Americans, because I could be wrong, but I don't remember any. I at least can't think of any off the top of my head. I honestly wouldn't mind if they used Native American mascots, just wish they wouldn't make them literally red (Cleveland Indians), or use a slur as their team name (Redskins). I think that if they want to use mascots of different races, that's fine. Just don't make them be designed or portrayed in a racist way.
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NorthStars4ever In reply to FancyFox02 [2017-10-11 19:22:23 +0000 UTC]
*shaking my head*
who cares? Apparently only you do. If you don't show that it bothers you then it won't be offensive anymore. Stop trying to police pictures.
And YES, there are OTHER racial groups that are used as mascots. Clearly, you're one of those people who only pay attention to soundbites and don't actually care or bother to find others.
But let me show you the few that there are racial stereotypes against groups other than Native American: The Boston Celtics, the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, the New York Knicks, the Minnesota Vikings, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and MANY MANY MORE.
The Boston Celtics logo is a LEPERCHAUN. A FRICKING LEPERCHAUN. The Celts were a powerful Irish tribe (AND THEY WERE SCOTTISH TOO) and yet THEY are stereotyped by a LEPERCHAUN. Where's your outrage?
The Notre Dame Fighting Irish logo is a LEPERCHAUN. Again, SAME PROBLEM AS THE BOSTON CELTICS.
The New York Knicks. Did you know that a "Knickerbocker" was actually a name used to make fun of the pants that Dutch immigrants in New York wore? YEAH...it's lost it's meaning now but it was considered an INSULT.
Minnesota Vikings. VIKINGS DID NOT WEAR HORNED HELMETS. Yet the MINNESOTA Vikings do. They stereotype that ALL Vikings have blond hair and horned helmets! Oh no! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: A Buccaneer is a pirate of Hispanic descent. These guys are stereotyped with a jolly old pirate on the side of their helmet winking at you! yeah...and yet how is this not racist?
I'll tell you why they're not racist: NOBODY CARES. And nobody should. If you get offended by stupid shit like a MASCOT...then you need a life. I have no problem saying that guy is "black" or that guy is "brown". Why? because it's not wrong. Stereotypes have a root of fact. As long as no one is trying to hurt anyone with it than there's nothing wrong. I highly doubt these teams use the name to shame ethnic groups.
My suggestion to YOU is to actually go out and read about sports teams names and stuff and get a proper conclusion before you go out and try to whine about an issue that really is not a big deal in the slightest.
Also, if you want to get offended by stuff, we should erase the word "queer". Why? because the word "queer" actually was a derogatory term used against gay people. It was on the same footing as words like the n word and stuff like that. you know why we don't see it that way? because gay people decided to own the word instead of get offended by it. we ALL should own the offensive terms used to describe our racial groups. By doing that we HEAL those wounds. We make peace. Stop hindering REAL progress.
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FancyFox02 In reply to NorthStars4ever [2017-11-09 04:50:18 +0000 UTC]
I haven't been on this account in months and I come back to an essay on a topic I've long Β lost interest in. I'm sure you have wonderful points and whatnot. But a bitch ain't gonna read a college thesis paper over a disagreement on the internet lol
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IAmTheUnison In reply to kyrtuck [2014-12-16 06:51:36 +0000 UTC]
It shouldn't but you know how people are. If it exists you can rest assured somewhere some idiot is going to be offended by it.
Frankly, I think some people make a big deal about the actually name more than the visual mascot; as I think "Redskin" is supposed to be a derogatory term. It's still a petty thing to complain about though.
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Rodegas [2014-12-01 18:34:42 +0000 UTC]
Murica fuck yeahhhhhhhΒ Β Β Β Β
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saradorie [2014-11-30 21:07:53 +0000 UTC]
Thanksgiving isn't about a bunch of pilgrims wiping out an indigenous population, whilst that did come after. Thanksgiving is about a bunch of ill-prepared colonists coming to the new world without suitable farming tools or skills, receiving very generous and unwarranted help from a local people who probably went against their own best interests.
Thanksgiving is about the 1st harvest the pilgrims had after the natives assistance, and the thanks they should have given. It's an example of how people should treat others with kindness despite differences and having no reason to do so, a trait you once said you supported during a discussion on how an anarchistic society would run.
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experimentalDeity [2014-11-28 18:34:34 +0000 UTC]
Besides, the peace Β only lasted what, ten minutes??
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IAmTheUnison In reply to experimentalDeity [2014-12-16 16:49:11 +0000 UTC]
...more like 10 seconds.
Supposedly from I what I remember the treaty between the Natives and the Pilgrims maintained "peace" for about a hundred years, but during that time the seeds of bigotry, distrust, and predjuice were undoubtedly germinating.
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experimentalDeity In reply to IAmTheUnison [2014-12-19 08:09:42 +0000 UTC]
People today need EVERY song from Pocahontas engraved in their skull...
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CrocodileKickingBear [2014-11-28 17:36:34 +0000 UTC]
I'll have to agree with Karnak down there...I'm also curious about about this perspective of Abe you brought up and I'm wondering where you got that particular information? Though I'll probably end up diving into that research myself.
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Akhenamen [2014-11-28 12:47:09 +0000 UTC]
I think Thanksgiving nowadays is mainly about being thankful for all we have, but I agree that the holiday was originally a celebration of one of the most sordid events in human history. I'm not North American but if I was, I wouldn't celebrate anything on this day. I would celebrate my Thanksgiving on winter solstice instead.
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IAmTheUnison In reply to Akhenamen [2014-12-16 16:51:34 +0000 UTC]
Which incidentally is why Christmas (or Yule) was actually celebrated by the Pagans before the Christians stole it and wrapped it around their mythological messiah.
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Akhenamen In reply to IAmTheUnison [2014-12-19 08:48:46 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, Yule is the name of the festivals celebrated by the Germanic tribes around Midwinter. Other cultures like the Slavs and Celts would have had different names for the Midwinter celebrations, and they probably celebrated it in different ways.
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IAmTheUnison In reply to Akhenamen [2014-12-23 15:24:24 +0000 UTC]
True, the truth is that many cultures around the world and throughout history had midwinter festivals even dating as far back as Ancient Sumeria. So in a sense, "Christmas" has been around for a very very long time and encompasses many many traditions.
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Akhenamen In reply to IAmTheUnison [2014-12-23 22:15:13 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, in fact it probably goes back even further than the Sumerians, starting way back in the stone age. Stone age people had a lot of knowledge about things like the seasons, the position of the stars in the sky, the position of the Sun and Moon and so on.
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Karnak44 [2014-11-28 04:51:42 +0000 UTC]
Woah mister, calm down.
I find myself in agreement to your point about being too sensitive and politically correct, Thanksgiving isn't a marker of genocide. Much of that was propogated by colonists who had arrived way before the pilgrims. Besides, can't holidays warrant a touch of romanticism? We can never forget horrible events, but the idea of Thanksgiving is still based around giving thanks for what you have and what others have done. Also, I've never heard this perspective on Abraham Lincoln before. May I have a source so I can pursue this line of inquiry?
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Kellkrull87 [2014-11-28 04:13:20 +0000 UTC]
I personally never thought that the name was offensive.Β
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Fujin777 [2014-11-28 02:12:33 +0000 UTC]
With recent events, I wonder what Thanksgiving is supposed to be now.
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IAmTheUnison In reply to Fujin777 [2014-12-16 06:47:12 +0000 UTC]
It should be renamed "Stuff Your Face Day", because that's all people really do on Thanksgiving...unless their poor and homeless.
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