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mastermead [2009-10-23 07:09:54 +0000 UTC]
God damn, I would do heinous crimes if it would give me just half the sense of composition and dynamism that you have. So jealous!
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metalgearray09 [2009-10-23 02:13:19 +0000 UTC]
Your sketching style has certainly changed. From scribbles to blank contour-gestures.
Interesting.
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metalgearray09 In reply to Inkthinker [2009-10-23 22:21:56 +0000 UTC]
ah, I see.
I have a tough time drawing the anatomy stage after initial buildup and pose. Despite all the references out there, it's hard to get a specific reference for THAT specific of a pose, ya know?
So I wing it, with mixed results.
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Inkthinker In reply to metalgearray09 [2009-10-24 00:09:20 +0000 UTC]
Studying general anatomy and physical action more will help. It takes a lot of practice before it gets "easy". You don't necessarily need to know the biology or the names of all the bits, what's important for the artist is understanding which muscles go where and what they do, how the flexible structure of the muscles and the surface (skin, hair, etc) relate to the rigid structure of the skeleton, and the proportions of each bit to the bits around them.
What you ideally want is to reach a stage where you can illustrate any action or position through a buildup process, starting with the rigid form and building up the flexible form based on your internal understanding of anatomy rather than reference. Then reference is useful even if it doesn't match your specific requirements of the moment, because you can extrapolate from one to the other.
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Scadilla [2009-10-22 20:08:07 +0000 UTC]
Too bad you couldn't finish the bg, but it still looks great as is.
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Inkthinker In reply to Scadilla [2009-10-23 09:55:11 +0000 UTC]
It'll do, but I gotta do better. Unfinished is often worse than badly done, at least badly done is something done, y'know?
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Wataru2001 [2009-10-22 15:51:38 +0000 UTC]
Oh, so what was your time table? You mentioned taking too much time on Doc Ock's arms? Are these exercises timed?
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Inkthinker In reply to Wataru2001 [2009-10-23 10:21:32 +0000 UTC]
Not really. There's a deadline (every 22nd of the month), three weight classes and a ranking ladder. Win and you rise one rank, lose and you fall two, fail to show and you fall four. Each month they tally up the wins and losses, post a new rank ladder, divide up into pairs and you battle the next person above you or the person below you, depending on where you fall on the ladder. Right now I'm at 11th place in the Heavyweight division, which means you would think I'd have to fight another 10 guys to get to the top, but with dropouts and no-shows and new players, the ranking can shift pretty dramatically from month to month.
You usually have your topic in hand by the first of the month, so there's three weeks to do the job. The trick is to not wait until a week before deadline to start, especially when you're only spending a couple hours a night on it.
Had I started earlier (like, two weeks) I would have had enough time to figure out the problems I was having with the BG, or to consult with people who draw better than I do for some advice, but I was a fool, a foolish fool. And given that it's a competition, the deadline is merciless.
Past that, I also try to keep the total time I spend on something like this to under 10 hours (preferably under 8). If I can't complete it in that time, I'm not working fast enough to keep up with a publishing schedule.
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Wataru2001 In reply to Inkthinker [2009-10-23 18:18:47 +0000 UTC]
Wow, this sounds absolutely amazing! What is this, a website or group? Can lightweights (crappy artists) like myself enter? I would love the excuse to draw more...
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Inkthinker In reply to Wataru2001 [2009-10-23 23:59:37 +0000 UTC]
Penciljack.com, it's a forum for comics fans who are interested in learning how to draw (mostly for comics, but there's a variety of professionals and amateurs that hang out there). PUMMEL is a monthly competition that anyone with a profile on the boards can join, you can find out how to join up in the Challenges section of the boards, and you can read up on it as much as you like without having to join anything. There's a Lightweight, Middleweight and Heavyweight Division, reaching the top of either of the lower divisions allows you to move up to the next class.
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Wataru2001 [2009-10-22 15:49:20 +0000 UTC]
Absolutely incredible work!!!! And thanks for the wonderful description on the process, too!
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spike941 [2009-10-22 15:20:15 +0000 UTC]
Pretty sweet stuff dood. Did you do the bg layout in Manga Studio as well?
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Inkthinker In reply to spike941 [2009-10-23 10:23:32 +0000 UTC]
Yep. Usually I do everything up to the point of the finished line in Manga Studio, and then I use PS for the tones and color.
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spike941 In reply to Inkthinker [2009-10-23 17:10:11 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for the info. I remembering coming across a thread online with you in it and it was a big discussion on grids and such wanted to see if you were still using MS to lay those out. Great program too.
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Inkthinker In reply to spike941 [2009-10-23 23:55:01 +0000 UTC]
Yep, it's still my weapon of choice for lineart in general. The techniques I'm using to create grids in MS are the same I would use on paper, though, ruling points and connecting the dots or setting up VPs and radiating lines, laying out guides and etc. I use a line tool rather than a ruler, and I like using the MS Focus Ruler for VP guides, but that's about all that's changed.
MS has some cool perspective tools, but as of yet I haven't learned how to make use of them properly.
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spike941 In reply to Inkthinker [2009-10-26 21:03:24 +0000 UTC]
Yeah I find it crazy how some of these guys do these building landscape its insane detail but I know it all comes down to basic VP, practice and time...or just finding really good reference too, lol. I just started using MS to ink and its pretty nice once you get the hang of it I like it for inking better than PS which I have worked with for years. Thx for the info btw.
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fire-tisane [2009-10-22 13:59:08 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for the step by step. And thank YOU for reminding me how much I love jello. I know what I'm eating today~
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