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Originally this was just a gag gift for a friend that nobody else really saw, but after this latest chapter of Naruto, I figure what the heck. I’m sick, I’ve got time, lets color and post the thing.The reason this chapter prompted me to put this up was that when I was reading, I felt like punching Naruto in the face. I’m glad that he finally figured out that something is going on, and glad that other characters got screen time while he was busy, but his reaction really made me mad. I understand wanting to run off and fight and more than likely he’s ticked off he was lied to so much. However, when you have all these older, more experienced ninja who have actually had to deal with war before in their life saying: STAY PUT! The first reaction should not be: “I’m stronger than you, smarter than you, and I can break through any seal. You guys are just old and don’t know what you’re talking about.” (really bad paraphrasing here but you get the idea) Because if Madara gets his hands on Naruto, it’s going to be really, really bad.
Thing is, as a fan, I enjoy the series overall. It has its flaws, but I love the characters, the world, and it’s got a lot of fun with interesting ideas. But as a writer, sometimes I can’t help but cringe and wonder what is Kishi doing?! Personally I think it would be fitting if because Naruto disobeyed like this, he was forced to have actual consequences and Madara got a hold of him and used his chakra to either kill or seriously injure Iruka. And I love Iruka, but as a writer, you have to give characters consequences for their actions. He’s not twelve anymore. He’s sixteen or seventeen and he should be more mature than this. But he’s not, and thusfore as my favorite kunoichi, Tenten gets to say something to him.
On a side note, this is not anti-NaruTen or even anti-Naruto. It’s more or less a parody and simply another writer reading something and going: O______o wha?
Naruto (C) Kishimoto
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I don't hate Naruto. ^^ It's just that I'm not a fan of the writing in this particular part and kind of just wanted to draw out my frustrations I guess.
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pretty sure the artist stated that not only do they like Naruto in the pictures description, but they read/watch Naruto. I think this is more like the artist expressing their displeasure with an action Naruto did in the book/show.
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As someone whose actually been in the service, let me tell you, you don't leave your best weapons in the dark. The other Kage (who you said have actually had to deal with war before in their life) handled it pretty poorly.
Not to mention Tsunade (the second oldest and the most powerful Kage) was against the idea from the start and only gave in because of a majority vote.
By keeping Naruto and Bee on the island the other Kage's wasted lives needlessly, Naruto and Bee pretty much showed that they could take on the Zetsu army (which are all pretty much red shirts) allowing the other shinobi to handle the more powerful undead shinobi.
Also without Naruto's ability to sense the chakra of the Zetsu while they were disguised, the ASF (Allied Shinobi Forces) would have sustained massive casualties before they got their shit together and found out an alternative.
As shown Bee and Naruto have proven that they can handle themselves fine and are being useful.
What did your really expect Kishimoto to do? Sideline the focus of his manga for 200 chapters? Your argument makes no sense.
Finally why did you use Tenten as she is as useless a shinobi as people claimed Sakura used to be. Oh you have amazing accuracy with throwing weapons? That's nice, but so does everyone else.
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Oh, I sooo think so too! Agree with the pic!
And pretty nice threads are here to read as well
I've been reading this manga for so long, but sometimes it's very difficult for me to follow the story, I just can't see the battle scenes in static pictures; so I started to watch the Shipuuden anime to get more ideas, and I just tend to facepalm here and there when I hear the main heroes (heroines) blabber about their heroic bullsh*t - I'm sorry, I'm just getting too worked up
This is so typical of a manga hero - or even of Western heroes: if they stay passive, the plot won't go on... Readers need drama, clashes, epic conversations ("You won't get away with this! Justice will prevail" blah blah blah...) I was always amazed, what a nice and long conversation the hero and the villain could have before clashing...
Seriously thinking, it is lightyears away from real life, sure. We don't have evil plotter masterminds here, only bigger and smaller criminals robbing banks, or sometimes just average people who snapped somehow and killed their spouse or neighbour... Therefore there are no superheroes, either.
But we, humans, are still longing for myths and epic battles, god-like characters to admire, or let them be average people like some poor boy in a fairy tail who still manages to kill the dragon and get the princess out of his sheer power...
So when I see Naruto acting like this, or eg. Sakura before fighting Sasori and determinedly claiming that she will defeat him, I can't help but facepalm...
Okay okay, I know this never-ending persistence, endurance, this never-give-up attitude is so much Japanese and I must admit it can motivate people. But...
But... this feels more like stupid over-confidence and unabilty to grasp the situation... One would like to cry out: "Are you even listening?" or something...
Eh... 'nough said
Thanks for using Tenten to make this move! 
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“I’m stronger than you, smarter than you, and I can break through any seal. You guys are just old and don’t know what you’re talking about.”
but the old characters DON'T have any idea what they're talking about, HE IS stronger than them, and HE CAN break through most seals...though he really isn't that bright...lol
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Naruto fears no man and few women...I could imagine Tenten joining those ranks.
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thats got to hurt and we all know right guys
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I actually like Naruto the way he is, but SOMETIMES.....Yes, sometimes he needs to grow up and stop whining about Sasuke and FINALLY GO AND BRING HIM BACK!
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Yay. XD (I take it as anti-NaruTen. Dude, why the heck has that ship become even more popular???)
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But at least she makes a point.
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yeah, but did it have to be a shot to the nuts?
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BTW, I forgot to say I love how you drew Naruto. xD
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I honestly don't mind when he's immature, even when it comes to romance since its not Kishi's thing, xD But yes, when it comes to times like war, I honestly did expect him to run off, BUT, he may not be smart, but he IS skilled in strategies... most of the time. I'm surprised he never found out there was a war going on beneath his nose >.>
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And to launch my counter arguement. Naruto knows he's the only one who can do this because hell, he beat pein ((kinda)) after the guy pretty much just obliterated everybody else at the same time. If he can't do it then in his eyes, no one can. Also, what experience do any of these more seasoned ninja have against plant monster clones and s-rank ninja zombies lead by an immortal mastermind so powerful, evil and intelligent that he's pretty much the cause of every bad thing that has ever happened after he was born???
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Eh, I have to disagree with you there. 
The older more experienced ninja probably don't have any experience with thinks like that particularly. But they have far more experience than Naruto, especially when it comes to war, and while they probably haven't seen these things exactly, they've probably seen some pretty freaky stuff in their lifetime that they've had to fight against. Overall, they're smarter than Naruto and more prepared for the actual situation I think, whereas Naruto is just rushing in without a plan, making himself a target and acting kinda like a little kid who wants to help, but without any real clue how he's gonna do it. Just my opinion though.
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Ah, touche. But wouldn't his hero complex make him think he's the only one who win this for everyone? And yes, the angry six tail transformation probably was the only reason he won, that was what I meant by kinda. The point is that he's alive and still a jinchuriki and nagato is dead. . .kinda. He also probably has way more confidence in himself with this new jinchuriki state he's accomplished. Maybe he is a bit overconfident but it seems like he has more than enough reason to be.
I agree with you on that but experience only does so much for someone that hasn't fought something like this, agreed? Also I disagree with the statement about them seeing wierd sh!t in war. Most of these ninja being showcased are much younger and have never even been in a war, much less seen freaky sh!t like this.
I agree, most of these people in charge are smarter but naruto rushing in like a little kid with no plan doesn't exactly seem like a bad thing. . . .especially since eit's kinda worked out every single time before. One last thing, I think naruto can win this war. Mostly because these zetsu clones are basically canon fodder that chunin can take multiple down at a time and these zombies just kinda disentagrate after they get hit with talk-no-jutsu. . . .which is naruto's specialty. . . .just saying that this happens to be a stupidly convenient weakness.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this.. Masashi is seriously making Naruto too inmature.. Sometimes you'd think he was still 12.. It's really sad..
And thanks for a good laugh..
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I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking it either! 
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Exacly! Sure Naruto is a bit immature, but he can't seriously have him stay that way forever..
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Not at all. There has to be character development!
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You are welcome friend!!!
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As a fellow writer, I understand it completely. Kishimoto doesn't force his characters to act a certain way, they all have their own set personalities that 'speak' to him in ways as he writes his chapters. I understand, because this is the way i write. I know this is how he writes, because he's been quoted to say that he is 'unhappy' and 'disappointed' with the way Sasuke is turning out as a character. He originally wanted Sasuke to go home after killing Itachi, but that wasn't the case. Because how the character spoke, he's now an international criminal.
I personally think, when it comes to Madara, Naruto is the only person who can handle him.
Now just so you know, I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, just offering a different point of view.
I agree; consequences should be given. There's no way Naruto can just charge into battle, beat Madara, and everything's peachy keen! There's still the fact that Sasuke is there. As well as all those ninja (some of which he'll recognize) being brought back with Edo Tensei. Some of these things are bound to make Naruto shaken during his fight. But, this is that 'destined battle'. His dad beat Madara before, now he's gotta do it.
Now you're right. You, or I... we'd definitely stay put. Hell, in the fanfic I'm writing Naruto knows about the war and willingly goes to the island. But... Naruto has always been stubborn, this is just how Nagato has changed him; he's gung-ho for a different reason-- He doesn't want to make any more pains. He figures that if he shoulders the ENTIRE war himself, no one else will feel that urge for revenge and become hateful and tormented. SO he's going to take it all into himself. Now I think the problem is... can Naruto's psyche really handle that? Maybe in trying to keep everyone else from being the next Pain.... HE will become the next pain? That could be another possible consequence.
We know there'll definitely be at least one really 'bad' death; someone important like Iruka, Kakashi, Sakura etc. you can't have a war plot and not do something outstanding like that. It will be even more impactful if this is a definitive effect of Naruto's actions.
I think what's best, is that we try to take these things (as confusing or simplistic as they might come) in stride and trust that after over 500 chapters, Kishimoto won't disappoint.
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And as a writer I can understand to to a certain degree. Sometimes characters surprise us and grow in ways we didn't see coming when we first write them. But at the same time as an author, I feel like you have to get control over your characters to a certain degree. They can still grow and change, but ultimately, you have to be the one in control who pulls the strings, and make sure that their actions not only make sense, but show them growing how you want them to grow. Not nessicarly how the character decides they want to grow.
I know you're not trying to start an argument. ^_^ I love hearing different points of view and opinions. I think Naruto could be the best person to handle Madara, but not like he's doing right now and not at this time. Because while he has battle experience, he doesn't really have any war experience, and he's pretty much just setting himself up to get captured and cause a lot of problems for everyone else. Because it doesn't really seem like he has any kind of plan at all, or even knows where to start. He's just running off half cocked thinking he has to do everything now and not taking anyone else's advice or opinion into consideration when they are smarter and more experienced than him.
I think if I was in the situation, my first reaction would be a lot like Naruto's. I'd want to go out and fight and do something, but I also think I'd wind up staying put. Not because I didn't want to do anything, but because it's the smartest thing to do until the time is right. It's battle strategy. Don't throw out your most valuable player right into the middle when there isn't a plan. And about the whole Nagato thing (I have issues with that on it's own but that's a different can of worms.
Eh...I have my doubts with Kishi on whether he'll really kill anyone important. I think he should, like Iruka because of Naruto's actions, but I don't know if he will. And for some reason I don't see him killing Kakashi again, or Sakura because I don't think Sakura's part has been played out yet.
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The only strings I tend to pull is when something would change the character so completely that the story is no longer enjoyable for me, or my readers. Anything after that usually just goes with the flow.
Yeah, but that sort of thing seems to work for Naruto. Hell, remember Mizuki-sensei? Neji? Orochimaru? Pain? Flying off half-cocked into a situation where he doesn't listen to those who are older or more experienced is just what we expect.
It's his way of protecting people. If, say, he were to enlist Tenten, Neji, and Lee's help... and then Neji ends up dying. Lee becomes vengeful over Neji, and begins to hate Madara. He doesn't want to see his friends go through that because of what hate does. To Nagato, to Sasuke, to himself. He's a martyr like that and, again, very typical of his character.
I actually had a journal entry discussing a few possible deaths. had a good point. Killing Sakura would be... somehow intriguing. Because in those past teams that Naruto has been compared to, someone always ends up dying. Yahiko, Obito, Orochimaru, etc. All of these characters have been male. It'd be innovative to kill the female character first.
Yeah, he's admitted to say that he's not good at making females. Old men and boys. (Naruto and Jiraiya. lol) Also of his older works, Naruto is the longest running so this is probably something new for him. "We'll see" I couldn't agree more.
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I gotta wonder WTF Kishi-chan (anyone who knows me knows I use this in a derisive way) is thinking, too. Pretty much given up on the series and am devoted mainly to fanfictions by MUCH better writers.
BTW, TenTen rules!
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I have to point out that may no be hubris speaking. Naruto took out pain which a whole village full of ninjas couldn't do. Also madara is holding back everyone knows it he is going to do serious damage because he has a cannon fodder army while every death on the ninjas is a big blow. Madara isn't going to pull out his guns till he has a chance to get a bijuu. So naruto taking the field makes sense because it only endangers one bijuu not the 2 he needs while it pulls madara into the fight. Also remeber all the beliefs that naruto holds that he is the one to end war. Even if Naruto realized it was a good idea his feelings would never let him stay put he cares too much. To be mature is not to listen to reason but be willing to accept the consequnces of ones own actions and that is what Naruto is doing
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I agree!!! nARUTO NEEDS TO GROW UP!! I would like him SO much better if he did!! His level of studipity is beyond annoying!!
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THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE FEELS THE SAME WAY. I mean, asdfdghjkl; really. Doesn't Naruto get it? It's not selfless of him to go charging off. It's actually pretty damn selfish
Besides, I'm a little bit depressed that Tenten will probably be forced to hand over her screentime (and awesome new weapon) the moment Naruto steps on the scene. =/
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I know. 
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Psh, yeah, Iruka shoulda been all, "here, come get your headband..." -thump- . 
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I know what you mean, but honestly this all had to happen. When I saw Iruka appear in the last chapter my instant reaction was "Oh No! He's going to say some junk and Naruto is going to listen because Naruto always listens to Iruka." I was praying that Naruto would ignore him and run off anyways!
And the reason is simple. Supose Naruto did listen and went back to training for the next 50 chapters or so and let all his friends run around in the war, maybe have a few die, then somehow manage to end the war without Naruto's help. As immature as it is to run off like that... he is the title character after all.... its what he does
Naruto will probavbly suffer a little from his choice. With all this talk of the jubi and how scary it is... it would be odd in my opinion if the series ended without it being summoned. Maybe Naruto will lose the Kyuubi and someone will have to bring him back to life at the cost of their own (I'm looking at you Sakura)... leaving him with guilt for the rest of his life. Its kinda the flaw with this whole shinobi war arc I guess. If Naruto fights he's being selfish/immature, if he hides he's being boring. There aren't many options at this point. Before the series ends Naruto has to fight Sasuke and most likely Madara (maybe Kabuto too). This war seems to be leading to a potenital moment when this could all happen. Basically Naruto HAS to move or else the series will end with him hiding inside a giant turtle (too sad a fate).
Still.... a lot of characters are going to be extremly pissed off in the next chapter... I can't wait
I enjoy the series greatly too, but I do get a bit frustrated with Kishimoto's choices for the plot and character development. He does it so often (like all those Sasuke dominated arcs, making Naruto even dumber than normal, only developing characters the few chapters away from their death.... then expecting us to care, and fueling pairing wars with rubbish that never gets followed up on). Still I love the characters (most of them) and the whole world and plot is enjoyable, so I can't complain to badly. I'll be a fan till the series ends
And sorry for ranting... I don't have many people to talk about Naruto with, so I end up ranting when I can
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Not from an episode just something I drew awhile ago, and after the latest released chapter decided to post.
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But that's cool it seemed like it was from an episode!
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I know, but him be naive is the only reason he's still rapeable
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O_O Ummm...what? That's really kinda sick if someone being naive means it's easier for others to rape them. And for all the joking about rape that goes on on the internet, it's not funny, or a joke. Not to mention he's underage so pretty much rape here would also be considered child molestation and pedophilia.
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