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Published: 2012-08-25 13:13:44 +0000 UTC; Views: 11661; Favourites: 214; Downloads: 440
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On 25th of July, around 19:50, Lothar Freiherr von Richthofen shot down a Camel somewhere over Fismes, France. It was his 30th victory! I have no idea if this is anywhere near to how it could look but surely this report inspired me to create this image, LvR getting his 30th victory.Lothar gets level again while the poor chap in the Camel, badly wounded, turns his last pirouette trying to control his burning aircraft. The pilot of the Camel will remain unidentified, giving his life just as "No 30".
Rendered in C4D, post processed in Photoshop, 3D model from Pavel Zoch and can be bought here: [link] , background from CGTextures and myself, Camel aircraft from RoF.
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Very nicely done piece. Really appreciate the attention to historic detail on the Fokker Triplane. Faved this one as well.
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Many many thanks for your kind comment!
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I used your fantastic render here: fotoshopic.deviantart.com/art/…
Thank you so much
Mitch
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Looking great, thanks for let me know! Would prefer to "Share alike" though... but it´s ok.
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I changed the license to share alike. Thanks for catching that and thanks again for the awesome stock.
Mitch
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Love to share things with others although I wouldn't describe my images as stock. I think of them more like a free aviation wallpaper collection! But I don't mind people use my art as long as they share with others too! It's always a good feeling, isn't it?
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It is a good feeling. I take some of my favorite hard won photos and put them out there as background and stock. There is so much on DA that I just want to give back. By the way I had your photo on my computer as a wall paper for a couple of weeks when I first came across it.
Mitch
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Nice to know! Keep up the good work mate, cheers!!!
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When I see biplanes above the clouds I always wonder if they were actually able to climb that high. But someone told me already that they did indeed.
Nice image. Love the lighting.
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Depends on how high the clouds are!!! Thanks for commenting!!!
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very nice pic of Lothar's Dr1 - later he would have the top wing painted yellow as well
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As itifonhom and I have discussed on another forum, where I told him I would discuss it elsewhere, I want to state that regarding the caption to his most excellent rendering in this thread, his art does not depict Lothar von Richthofen's 30th victory, as claimed. Lothar was flying a Fokker DVII that day, not a Fokker Dr.I, as shown. In fact, LvR never shot down any Sopwith Camels while flying a Dr.I.
Now, I know the point of this forum is art, so please understand this post is not an attack on itifonhom, his rendering, or art in general. Instead of critiquing his artwork, as this thread requested, I am critiquing his caption, because itifonhom has attached historical representation to this art—i.e., “…this report inspired me to create this image, LvR getting his 30th victory.” I.e., “this image is what it looked like.” In our discussion elsewhere ([link] ), itifonhom has been made aware and now understands his work does not historically depict the event his caption claims it does. He is very passionate about his art and art in general--I respect him for that--but said he "really doesn't care much" about historical accuracy—despite including accurate dates, times, and locations in his description—and thus refuses to change his caption, which he said he has posted on several other sites. As itifonhom is about art, I am very passionate about history and historical accuracy—especially when the latter is confirmed beyond doubt—and the old adage that if something is worth doing , it is worth doing right. This is where he and I have reached a civil impasse and agreed to disagree--about the caption, mind you, not the art. As I said, that looks great! It doesn’t depict Lothar von Richthofen’s 30th victory historically, but the visual rendering is fantastic! As I told him, it gives me a good and believable sense of altitude. I look forward to his future work.
To be clear and summarize, this post is neither about itifonhom personally, nor his art, visually. They need not be defended because neither is in question. What is in question is historical representation and how too much is “learned” this way via the internet, and how this “information” then becomes the headwaters of myth. As the events of LvR’s 30th victory compelled itifonhom to create an historical image that turned out to be erroneous—logic dictates that depicting the wrong airplane was an honest mistake, because why would someone intentionally use the wrong one? Besides, in another forum, he admitted he “got it wrong”—and since he will not change its caption after learning of this error, the responsibility to make sure others do not incorrectly use this image to “learn” the details of LvR’s 30th victory has compelled me to post here.
Over time I’ve gotten a sense that many artists consider the art itself to be more important than that which it represents. Thus, I suspect posting this here may garner disinterest in the subject of historical representation—fair enough, since this *is* an art site, after all—and perhaps even be misunderstood as an attack on artistic integrity in a brush-on-paper sense. Please understand this is not so and has never been my intent. My intent is to lead the horses to the clean water. That is all I can do. Now, that has been done.
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Thanks for the comment, glad you liked my "erroneous" work!
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BTW, DA is a great site for learning more about Art, for example that "got inspired" doesn't mean "how it looked like" but more like "how I see it". Staying at DA will for sure open some new ways of thinking and greatly improve your understanding of Art, you're at the right place!!
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Many thanks for the comment!!
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Many thanks for the comment, glad you liked it!
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Thanks John!! (for everything!)
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Sweetly done! I have Cinema 4D 13 did you use the advanced rendering method?
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As advanced as I could think of! Physical renderer enabled, IR+QMC mode, GI, AO, Caustics, HDRI lighting and reflections and a lot tweaking on the materials.
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it's great! I wasn't sure if you had used an external renderer like VRay or something else. This looks great for C4D which I think has an excellent renderer.
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I agree, C4D internal is really great. Beside this, I prefer to keep my lighting real simple, most of the times a single area light with a HDRI sky as a fill light and reflections source. Although I'm really a newbie with C4D, I think it's mostly down to material tweaking than trying to get too many lights right.
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These machines, which seem so primitive now, were the forerunners of every attempt man made to get himself into the air, while trying to keep someone else out of it. Even though it was brutal, there was a certain romantiicism and honor between these men. A beautiful rendering. Makes you wonder what Lothar is thinking...trying to keep up with his better known brother, or feeling sorry for the guy he shot down?
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Can´t figure that out myself really. Surely he was well aware that this fate could be his fate too, so don´t know what he really thought about it. Probably he was both happy and sad but it´s just a assumption. Thanks for commenting!
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Nice work. Looks like that Camel is attempting an Immelmann, Lothar needs to do a Split-S to get to safety,..dive, DIVE!!!
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Is this drawn or more a 3D model you made? Anyway it is incredible amazing
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It´s a 3D model I bought and rendered... Thanks, glad you liked it!!
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amazingly blended with the background. Looks so authentic. Even though I am no fan of old planes, but your ability of skillfully presenting the image made it appealing even for me. Awesome work
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