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PalpatineAlso known as Darth Sidious, a Sith Lord who rules the universe from the inside by making himself good publicity as the Emperor of the Galactic Empire.
Voldemort
Also known as Tom Marvolo Riddle, he is the leader of the Death Eaters who uses Dark Arts for his evil schemes.
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Canon Palpatine vs Movie or Book Voldemort = Voldemort high diff.
Legends Palpatine vs Movie or Book Voldemort= Palps mid diff at most.
Composite Palpatine vs Composite Voldemort= Palpatine mid-high or mid diff
Winner of most matches is Palpatine with Voldemort:2 Palpathine:3 so it is very close.
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EU Palpatine completely annihilates Voldemort(no body by the time the emperor is done with him).
Canon Palpatine might have some difficulty, but he’ll pull through eventually and stomp Tom.
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That's unfair. Even with Palps' limited life span he could still easily render Voldy cosmic dust. Plus, he was also one hell of a blademaster - the old man battled Yoda, mind.
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YES, ALL THE YES IN THE UNIVERSE!!!! Also Palapatine even with Voldemort's Horcruxes would totally dominate Tom. Tom is smart but not as smart as Palpatine who fooled the entire galaxy and the Jedi order for decades. He'd figure out Voldemort's connection to them and use them as a means of torture even if he couldn't outright destroy them. He's kind of a sick fuck like that. His only equals are Anakin if he never got dismembered on Muskafar, Luke, Yoda and Gallen in terms of raw force power. While Voldemort can fight and cast spells without his wand, he greatly relies on it in combat to focus his powers. Sidious like almost every other Jedi or Sith doesn't need such a tool to focus his powers and can fight perfectly fine without a Light Saber, better really since it leaves both his hands free to cast force abilities. Even if he couldn't "kill" Voldemort he could leave him a shell of his former self like he was in the first Harry Potter book, barely alive yet unable to die. I also doubt he could easily possess Sidious's body, since he's shown resistance to such things.
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Oh yeah, since DB established that Light Sabres can be used to block line of sight of spells.
Palpatine also pretty quick when he wants to be, so unless caught by surprise, he'd definately win.
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Movie-Palpatine vs Movie-Voldemort = Voldemort wins.
Movie-Palpatine vs Book-Voldemort = Voldemort wins.
EU-Palpatine (Especially DE Palpatine) vs Movie-or-Book-Voldemort = Palpatine wins.
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canon palpatine defecates on that noseless cueball
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Oh I just got add this.
Voldemort uses his Ring Horcrux and Necromancy to summon an army of undead Jedi for Sidious to play with. Ha ha Ha ha HA.
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Sidious just wipe the entire Harry Potter planet in an instant.
Sidious can consume all of space, alter time, and rip reality itself through the use of Force Storms, burn entire planets with his Force lightning, mind dominate twenty billions, while also draining the a Force out of them, did galactic size battle mediation for straight 23 years and he did it for 24/7 without having a rest during his reign as the Emperor of the Galactic Empire up until to his death above Endor, had became so powerful that he exists as a being of pure dark side energy , had created Force Protection so durable that it can survive attacks that literally consume and destroys everything it touches, as to not let Luke and R2-D2 being destroyed by the all-destructive effects of the Force Storm, and it took every single goddamn Jedi from the time of their creation up until to 11 A.B.Y. to basically seal his spirit into Chaos (the Star Wars Equivalent of hell) for an eternity and still not killing him.
This is all the evidence of what all, I said in this comment:
comicvine.gamespot.com/star-wa…
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lol
sidious plows through the undead, and speed-blitzes the nosless would-be child killer
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I know it's old now but Voldemort wins. the reason you think he doesn't is because a lack of knowlage of what magic can do.
All Force abilities can be blocked or avoid with magic or even recreated with magic.
Voldemort doesn't need a wand he can use Wandless and Nonverbal magic or a sticking charm on his wand and hand if need be or implant and wand in each forearm.
Voldemort skill in Occlumency blocks anything Palpatine tries and hides his mind so Palpatine could not even attack a mind that is not there as far Palpatine can tell and Voldemort is just as skilled if not more so with missing with people minds as Legilimency isn't as limited as the Force as it can used on the mind to Read it, control it, unhinge it.
Even at a young age, Voldemort displayed a talent for the manipulation of others
Voldemort also has the power to possess living things , and gain complete control over their actions by doing so. Once the possession is done, the victims will have no knowledge of what happened and when the possession ends the one possessed dies.
Necromancy for Inferi creation and control.
Voldemort can all always make more Horcruxes out of anything or anyone and being insane doesn't make any less smart and only seem make Voldemort more inhuman .
Time magic.
Obliviate hit Palpatine with this even if he lives the person know as Palpatine is gone.
Magic used for stealth to hit Palpatine with anything unaware.
Muggle-Repelling Charm possbile on himself.
Healing magic
Shield Charm deflect all physical entities and spells
cursed barrier
transfiguration the most deadly of all.
The Dark Arts, Injuries caused by dark magic never fully heal. Dark practises like making basilisks and portkeying it to Palpatine to have a very short staring contest with someone that doesn't not know not to look.
Vanishing Spell (Evanesco) on Palpatine bones.
Unforgivable Curses
The Avada Kedavra is unblock-able instant death
Cruciatus Curse unmatched pain.
The Imperius Curse complete control.
Also tracking spell to find Palpatine anywhere.
Also given that Voldemort could control millions of tiny shards of glass at one time so I'm going to say magic has better telekinesis limits.
Imperturbable Charm on skin, light saber is sad joke also magic acts as a E.M.P. anyway.
Fidelius Charm A multifaceted and potent charm that can be used to conceal a secret inside an individual's soul, Voldemort uses the Fidelius Charm to make the Force a secret after that every one forgets the Force and can only remember if Voldemort tells them about it.
As for Speed Voldemort can fly just over the ground at unknown speed and Apparate.
Also Felix Felicis a magical potion that makes the drinker lucky for a period of time, during which everything they attempt will be successful. so Luck is always on Voldemort's side and anything that can go wrong for Palpatine will go wrong. so if Voldemort tires to kill Palpatine he will be successful.
Kill list ideas
Apparate to Palpatine grab Palpatine Apparate to space or Imperius Curse someone to give Palpatine a portkey to a supernova or black hole or the inside of a star or just make his chair a portkey when he not there.
Fiendfyre a bewitched flame of abnormal size and heat, infused with dark magic, capable of seeking out living targets despite being non-sentient that cannot be extinguished It will pursue any nearby lifeforms and anything that it can destroy, and is capable of incinerating anything through mere contact. so Apparate to the same planet and building where is Palpatine and apparate to each eixt cast a Muggle-Repelling Charm and Fiendfyre. the end
Voldemort uses healing magic on Vader cast the Imperturbable Charm on his armor and portkeys him to Palpatine to kill him with or without a Imperius Curse.
Voldemort uses possession on a obliviated Force user and now he has the Force.
Voldemort puts that Curse on the position of Emperor of the Galactic Empire so no Emperor will be able to hold the position for more than a year.
Voldemort sets up a cursed barrier and Palpatine walks though it drops dead or worse.
Voldemort uses a portkey on a few boggarts to Palpatine to show what he fears most even he doesn't know himself what that is, for the lolz.
Voldemort has Dementors that cannot be destroyed and cannot seen by those without magic attack in mass where ever Palpatine is or when they are fighting.
Voldemort use Wandless and Nonverbal transfiguration to make anything everything around Palpatine into antimatter, THE END.
Voldemort uses a summing charm on Palpatine when Voldemort is flying in space in orbit to pull Palpatine into space.
Voldemort apparates to the death star use the Fidelius Charm on so the crew don't know where they are and Imperius Curse the crew out the airlock.
Voldemort throws a timed portkey shilded by magic ageist the heat into a bule super gait star so it takes the star to Palpatine even if Voldemort possible need to put more power into the portkey over a longer perid of time.
Voldemort uses transfigurationto make Palpatinea into a pet rock or his bounes into antimatter or sand.
Voldemort uses Muggle-Repelling Charm on his own robes and Palpatine keeps turning around in the middle of his charge over and over again.
there almost a infinite number of ways to win with magic so I will not put anymore.
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LOL
keep telling yourself that fanboy
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"Palpatine orchestrated the grandest of deceptions, on a galactic scale. Armies fought a war he designed, an ancient order of peacekeepers was disbanded, and most of its members killed. He even had weapon at his disposal that could destroy entire planets.
Voldemort spent most of his life trying, and failing, to kill one child." < this
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I'm not saying Palpatine not the better bad guy because he is better. But that magic is simply more powerful, deadly and versatile then the Force is giving Voldemort the needed advantage win.
Also while not on the same scale as Palpatine, Voldemort did orchestrated a silent bloodless take over of his government with some not even knowing he took over and headed a secret society and only lost because of luck and a last minute deus ex machina.
Also given that I gave reasons why magic would let Voldemort win and your only reason for Palpatine wining amounts to because I say so kinda makes you seem like the blind fanboy here. Although I guessing you just skimmed my longer post at most or skipped most of it.
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he couldn't kill a child
there is nothing that stops palpatine from flat out MIND RAPPING voldemort , bending him to his will,
expanded universe palpatine can DESTROY PLANETS, AND RESURRECT HIMSELF AT THE DROP OF A HAT AND THEN POSSES PEOPLE
he can even resurrect other people only to torture them
he has demonstrated all of voldemort's grander powers WITHOUT a wand on a grander scale
hell, VADER could take voldemort with the force
the force is simply broken, it grants abilities that surpass even magic in harry potter verse
the dark side > magic
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The thing that stops palpatine from flat out MIND RAPPING Voldemort is called Occlumency and Voldemort can mind rape just as good if not better as magic is less limited then the force.
Palpatine needs clone bodies to resurrect himself and help form others and Voldemort can posses people as well as other living things and can ripe their life force out of their bodies with him when he leaves them growing stronger each time.
No Palpatine has not demonstrated all of Voldemort's grander powers as the majority can not be recreated with the force at all.
Really Fiendfyre alone is enough to wipe out all life on a planet if their no one with magic around to stop it will just never stop spreading or growing as it can't be extinguished without magic and will never stop even after the caster is dead and it doesn't help that the fire is of abnormal size and heat and will actively pursue any nearby lifeforms and anything that it can destroy with a desire to burn anything it can. Also Given that it can't be extinguished and actively pursue lifeforms. it's possible that it could even leave the planet after turning it into a lifeless glass parking lot and seek out other life in the galaxy by moving though the space as it doesn't need air so in theory it could pursue Palpatine forever with it growing in size and power with each world it devours.
Although if Voldemort was feeling really reckless he could just cast Fiendfyre on a star thus infusing that star with dark magic, making the star itself capable of seeking out living targets despite being non-sentient and likely wiping all life out in that system and possible beyond.
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I feel you exaggerate fiendfyre
but oh well
I don't feel like arguing
to each his own opinion
but the consensus is ALWAYS in palpatine's favor. I didn't post THEIR arguments because my memory is foggy
... though I must admit, it IS rather interesting to see someone make a compelling case for voldemort, even if I disagree
so that's pretty wizard {see what I did there?}
let's just agree that voldemort stomps yamcha
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I could be exaggerate fiendfyre a little bit as far as it leaving the planet I guess. Although the big reason I think magic would give Voldemort the advantage is because JK Rowling put barely any limitations on it.
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well that applies to the force as well
let's look at this from an unbiased_perspective
someone who is a fan of BOTH can settle this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNL4QQ…
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Well I already a big fan of both, so I'm skipping the video. I actually like starwars better because I love science fiction.
Also I somewhat agree that it applies to the force but their are still thing that can be done with magic that the can't be recreated with the force. like Voldemort could put a Curse on the position of Emperor of the Galactic Empire so no Emperor will be able to hold the position for more than a year because of a a series of events caused by the Curse warping reality.
So while the force and magic both have high or almost no limits on some of their abilities, it seems magic has a longer list of abilities to choose form giving it a advantage.
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you should watch it actually. it's really insightful
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No thanks, but this was fun.
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You know, Palpatine had the ability to create wormholes.
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Yeah I know about the Palpatine ability to create wormholes.
Although Voldemort has Apparition a magical method of teleportation that could be explained by controlled magically crated wormholes, so if that right the Anti-Disapparition Jinx may stop wormholes from forming in a area but Palpatine's
ability to create wormholes may be a bit to large scale for that to work but either Voldemort could get out of the way and would just get a new body if he didn't.
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Palpatine, hands down.
Not to diminish Voldemort, but Wizards are much inferior in power to Force Users. They rely on wands, while Jedi/Sith can easily access the Force through their bodies.
Palpatine would easily break the wand with his mind, throw Voldemort around like a ragdoll and then fry him with Force Lightning.
Of course, Voldemort has teleportation and the Horcruxes. If Palpatine doesn't know about the Horcruxes, Voldemort will survive.
But the power level is clear, Palpatine wins. Voldemort can keep coming back, but unless he gets smarter than Palpatine(Impossible given creating the Horcruxes drove him insane), he'll always fail.
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Palpatine orchestrated the grandest of deceptions, on a galactic scale. Armies fought a war he designed, an ancient order of peacekeepers was disbanded, and most of its members killed. He even had weapon at his disposal that could destroy entire planets.
Voldemort spent most of his life trying, and failing, to kill one child.
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Personally I believe that Voldemort doesn't deserve the title of Dark Lord. It's just a deformed guy who talks with snakes, but was fortunate to learn about the Horcruxes, what give him more power magic.
Palpatine is a Sith Dark Lord, who killed his master and hatched a most elaborate plan to erect galactic empire and build a weapon capable of busting planets.
Conclusion:
Voldemort would fly to pieces before knowing that the Death Star is targeting him and all the horrocruxes will be destroyed at the same time, killing him.
Die Voldie, Die!
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Voldemort can shoot at things with a wand. Palpatine can devastate the surface of an entire planet. End of story.
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Someone actually did this fight. Sidious won. Quite easily, I might add.
In addition to the fact that Avada Kedavra can be blocked by a lightsaber, Sidious is much more talented at mind games than Voldemort. He can also keep his cool when he has to wait to get what he wants or when put in a dangerous position, whereas Voldemort completely loses it and becomes more and more reckless, a fact Sidious would figure out rather quickly and exploit the living hell out of it. Also, Voldemort is not physically fit and he relies too much on his wand, like most wizards. Palpatine, on the other hand, can function perfectly without his lightsaber; in fact, he hates lightsabers, so he's even deadlier without one, despite being a master swordsman.
Naturally, in a DB, Voldemort would not have his Horcruxes, except Nagini since she could function as a weapon. That would be a problem for him because, as the battle showed, Sidious could grab her and quickly figure out her connection to Voldemort, thus causing pain for both of them by torturing her with Force Lightning before turning her into a bomb of sorts. And finally, it must be remembered that Voldemort is not the true master of the Elder Wand, so he wouldn't have its full power at his disposal.
All in all, Sidious would eat Voldemort for breakfast.
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I call Lord Sidious. He's done a lot more evil then Voldemort.
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Well, Voldemort does have that "instant kill" deal...but there's so many ways to get around that it's not even funny. My guess is, similar to Luke Skywalker vs. Harry Potter, Sidious would use the Force to disarm Voldemort of his precious wand and then slowly kill him with Force lightning.
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I find despite their similarities, relying on minions is an interesting area where they're opposites. Palpatine has getting minions as one of his main goals, Voldemort knows he needs minions but hates having to rely on them or anything besides himself, while Palpatine only does things himself when he feels he needs to, even though he enjoys doing so since he loves getting the chance to kill.
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except sidious ACCOMPLISHED his goals
voldemort couldn't kill one child
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Part of that is Harry getting lucky, especially since Voldemort refuses to let anybody kill his the arch enemy he himself created but himself.
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there's luck
and then there's luck to a point where you begin to question the killers actual talent
but that aside
sidious has accomplished FAR MORE
he turned an entire galaxy upside down and ruled virtually unopposed for 19 YEARS
even then, the only reason he lost was because he let his guard down
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Credit goes to Comicvine for information by the way
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This isn't even remotely close or fair. Palpatine's feats are...monstrous.
For the sake of comprehensiveness, let's run down the list. In fighting ability, Sidious has easily beaten Maul, stalemated a tremendously amped Mace Windu (as in Mace far ABOVE what he is normally capable of), dueled evenly with Yoda, and overpowered Luke. Not to mention, Palpatine is adept in various martial arts disciplines and can adapt to other combat forms.
Physically, Palpatine has smashed people's skulls with his blows; torn people's limbs off; and pulled a person through a partially opened door and then hurled him across a room. And he did all of that before he even received any training in the Force. Once trained, Sidious has effortlessly lifted an injured Vader off the shores of Mustafar and later withstood a cooling unit weighing a ton being dropped on his head without even flinching.
In durability, Palpatinehas shrugged off the aforementioned ton of weight falling on him, withstood blaster bolts, handled a thirteen story fall unharmed, resisted intense frigid temperatures without discomfort
Now for speed...this is where things get terrifying. Palpatine has run invisibly fast, created webs out of the strokes of his blade, deflected fire from dozens of droids, fought an army of Kursid warriors alongside Plagueis, fought faster than Maul could see, blitzed Saesee Tiin, blitzed Agen Kolar, fought faster than Mace Windu could see, fought faster than Anakin could see, fought faster than Leia could see, etc.
Anakin's reaction and perception speed transcends Voldemort's own, as does the speed and reaction abilities of everyone else I've listed. None of them could see the movements of Palpatine's blade. Neither will Tom. If Sidious so chooses, he could kill Voldemort before the latter even realizes the fight started.
In power, there is again a titanic difference between the two. To start, Palpatine's telekinetic feats. He has used Force Flight, easily collapsed a mansion ceiling, shattered a doorway, thrown several senate pods, contorted bulkheads, smashed boulders together, killed a dozen Weequay bounty hunters, used Choke on Maul repeatedly, used Choke to kill Plagueis, used Crush to subvert Sedriss, and could comfortably crumble buildings.
Telepathically, there is no comparison. Palpatine has telepathically harmed Vader, probed Maul's thoughts, manipulated Plagueis' mind, read the thoughts of beings across the galaxy, erased the memories of millions of beings, mentally subjugated the wills of nearly twenty billions beings, influenced the emotions of thousands of Jedi across the galaxy, communicated with others across the galaxy, torn information out of the minds of Jedi, resisted Plagueis' mental probing, resisted Shaak Ti's mental probing, resisted Vima Da Boda's mental probing, etc.
In Force Lightning, Sidious has incinerated a Sithspawn to ash, killed a legion of stormtroopers, bent lightsaber blades, burned Dark Side Acolytes to skeletons, left people charred husks, etc.
In Force Drain, he has fed off the life forces of billions of beings across a planet with no external aid. On Essence Transfer, if Sidious dies, he automatically reverts to his spirit state and can travel at will. If somehow Voldemort actually killed Sidious (which would never happen), Sidious could possess him. Aside from those, Palpatine has other Force abilities such as Maelstrom, Combustion, Storm, Alter Environment, etc.
Really, Voldemort is terribly outmatched.
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Actually he used Force Lightning to kill Plagueis, but that's immaterial here. Voldemort would get slaughtered, and if he was foolish enough to bring Nagini to the fight, she'd be a detriment because Palpatine could torture him through her. Even if his Horcruxes were intact, Palpatine would find a way to get around that. He's that smart, and that sadistic. Check out the fight here:
phan2angel7.deviantart.com/art…
It's longer than necessary since your analysis clearly shows that Palpatine could mop the floor with Voldemort, but it's still a good read.
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The way I see it, Palpatine would have to either relieve Voldemort of his wand or cast "Sith Confusion"
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he's got UNLIMITED POWER!!
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