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Looks great - is that a rabbit or a hare though? - I love hares!
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Thanks. I think it is a hare, too big for a rabbit.
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I feel like there's something dark here, but maybe it's just the "holiday season" tricking me.
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There is not meant to be anything dark here, it is meant to be quite sincere and sweet. One of the potential reasons you might view it that way is because there is Easter imagery there - the hare and eggs, both symbols of reproduction and fertility, and of course the affection of the couple marries in well with that. Robin redbreast - I guess that is the heart as an indirect symbol.
I know there is stuff out there on the internet that has turned Easter or Ostara symbolism into something evil, to sort of ward people away from pre-Christian ideas, I suppose. But I think that is all rather over-blown.
The egg, particularly the ostrich egg, has a very old history with its roots in Africa. You will see painted and gilded ostrich eggs hanging from ceilings in old Egyptian Coptic churches, etc.
The reason why the egg is associated with churches (or similar places of spiritual congregation) is because they are places where we both welcome newborns to life, and we farewell the departed.
There are obvious reasons why the egg might be associated with birth, because along with the sperm or snake, it is one of the key ingredients to life. What is perhaps a little bit less known, at least in circles that like to make bogeymen stories out of practically everything, is that Ostrich eggs were extremely useful tools in ancient Africa. They could be used as bowls for eating, containers for carrying water across the desert, lamps, but they were also used to store the remains of the dead.
One common practice was to store a dead body in a fairly large container when it was undergoing the formative stages of breaking down, but after it had been in there for the required amount of time, they would often remove it from that and then break up the much smaller remains into powder and store them in Ostrich eggs.
So these eggs were sort of like the final resting place for people's ancestors, in a conveniently compact form, like our funerary urns today. They could be decorated, kept in the house, displayed in a church, so ways that are pretty much the same as the rituals we carry out in modern times with our dead.
There might have been a sense of a symbolic 'circle of life' also, whereby we come from an egg, so were then put back into an egg, ready to reborn again.
www.nature.com/news/2002/02120…
Of course, the primary expression associated with the egg here is love, which biologically is underpinned by reproduction (but still occurs outside of fertility).
Some men might find this image subliminally intimidating though (I'm getting a line from 'Finding Nemo' in my head 'just keep swimming, just keep swimming'), particularly if it prickles with an instinct to spread the seed around rather than feel trapped in one situation. Yet stability also appeals to a lot of men, so the image could potentially both attract and repel at the same time. So that sense of the dark, consider that it might not be located in the image per se, but located within yourself in reaction to the image.
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Damn. You hit that right on the head. I was thinking infertility… and it had little to do with the symbolism, at least consciously, and more to do with the child in the egg floating above the couple… but then again the broken egg she is in… symbolism I probably subconsciously noted.
Easter has always been one of my more favourite holidays… but that is solely because of how silly it is…. I mean a rabbit hiding eggs full of candy… come on, how delightfully funny.
So. You’re telling me… that they used ostrich eggs for a type of coffin? What in the hell…? I have no clue how you know all of this… other than Google, but it’s interesting stuff. I had no idea of the usage of ostrich eggs… hell I didn’t even know ostriches were in Africa.
There is something eerie about that image of the egg with Arabic scrolled across it… maybe it’s the fact that you told me that they used eggs as a coffin like thing… but it seems so damn eerie. I may lose sleep over the next few days.
I find the idea of having children disturbing to be honest. That could be part of it. I prefer stability, and I think a child would throw any stability out the damn window. I’d live creating the garbage I post on here, and stay out of the parenting game, haha.
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To be fair, I only had one child, that was as deep as I went into the parenting game, but she is FREAKIN' AWESOME! I actually have an old letter I wrote to her father before she was born, saying to him what I thought a child of ours would be like, and damn if she isn't that to a T. Mate, this bitch ain't taking no prisoners, she is one tough cookie! She's got a dark streak in her a mile wide. This is her on dA - damn, scares me sometimes:
bloodstarthecat34.deviantart.c…
Me, I'm softer, I think she thinks too soft. She tells me to play hardball if I am being too soft. She gets pissed off if she sees me putting up with any measure of crap, but at the same time, I tell her this is a social world (full of a lot of fucktards, let's be honest, but they ain't going away, so you gotta grease the wheels enough to at least get by).
But at the same time she's just a damn decent person, very strong sense of right and wrong, will stand up for it too. Makes me proud. She is only defensive because people have shown themselves to act like shit and she won't accept that, you know? And creative, of course! Both her parents were. You think I would breed with a non-creative? (nor non intelligent) Lol.
Sorta like 'sniff, sniff, yeah, you've got all the attributes, come here!' Poor bugger never stood a chance really.
And that's how you get it did.
Plus, you know, me and him get on really well, that was important too, because the old love chemicals can fade, but if you have a basic compatibility, that is what tides you through. Not that we are together anymore, but that we still get on well and agree on parenting issues.
The broken egg, well the egg has to break to give birth doesn't it?
He he, candy in the eggs. Ok, well candy so far as unconditional love (and that can't be undervalued), but a shit load of sacrifice to boot. It is worth it though.
Yeah, they used ostrich eggs to store human remains after they could be broken down enough to contain them. You even look at a number of funeral urns these days and they are egg shaped. But you know, it was a robust shell, good for many uses.
Honestly, I don't know how I know half the stuff I come to know either. Some of it comes to me in the strangest ways. Very intuitive. But the more you know, the more that is demystified, the less unnecessary fear has control over you, and the less fear controls, the more you come into possession of yourself and your personal power.
I won't let any fucker put fear into me now. Anyone that thinks they can is so barking up the wrong tree.
That egg with the Arabic inscriptions, that is a relatively recent example. They've been used for this purpose way before Arabs or Muhammed was a thing.
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If I ever some how had a kid I would probably push art on em’ harder than most parents push sports on their kids. It looks like you let your kiddo the art direction though, kudos on that.
I could see reasons to be a bit fearful. 
You don’t strike me as the type to be soft quite honestly. I don’t know though, there is a necessity to be a bit cushioned, but I don’t know about being completely soft to anyone in any situation. There has to be a since of a hard nature in this art world. Just speaking in the sense of art: a sense of right and wrong is especially helpful… it’s too easy to offend or do something “wrong” in the eyes of society with art… but in the realm of being human it’s more important… I guess. 
I don’t know that I believe in “love chemicals” or “love” in general. It’s one of those words that has a different definition to everyone, too broad of a term to put much faith in… like the idea of “God”. Faith being a blind belief and all… seems like an idiot’s guide to heartbreak.
Well, isn’t the egg a living thing before it hatches? I mean they claim a fetus is, so an egg is too by that standard.
So… to fit the body in the egg… they turned the body back into it’s original form? And by putting them in these eggs, or their egg shaped urn ancestors, they are going full circle… odd. History repeats itself? I think life repeats itself.
Knowledge is power afterall. And like you said possession of one’s self, isn’t that the meaning of life? To obtain yourself, push all out and just be yourself?
The egg bit made me stop a project I was on, about Islam, and I’m going to study more into it instead of just jabbing at it… maybe even make something enlightening instead of just offensive flaming. So touché.
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Talking a bit more about faith, I suppose you could then ask what energy I might serve, if I was to put my energy anywhere? The simple answer would be towards the health of the planet and all things on it, in which all things are equal, but all are also vying for a space. Towards the healthy balance of the planet and its ability to sustain life. To me, that is the way to honour the supreme creative energy, to respect and look after the creation well. Not try to redesign it, but to appreciate the perfection of the design as it is, and to be humble enough to know that it was designed that way for a reason, a reason beyond my ability to fully comprehend the intricate balance thereof.
It is probably fair call to say that the most dangerous people on the planet are those whose ego lead them to try and play God, to reorder away from the way nature laid things out. They think they know everything, but in reality, they only know a lot about a tiny fraction upon which they focus, and they do not recognize the negative shockwaves their behaviour causes, or worse, they just don't care. They seem to only focus, like children, on being able to say 'look what I did!'
To the extent that various prophets and wise persons have talked about respecting and learning from nature, and outlining ways to best live harmoniously with it and each other, I find merit and guidance in their words. But where they lose focus on that (or perhaps words were twisted to suit the ends of others) and talk about ways to promote their own people's end over others, I find dangerous words that promote war and suffering and destruction of the planet in pursuit of it. I think I would rather leave it to nature to decide what to cull and when, which it will do in large part irrespective of our machinations to improve our own odds. It seems to me, the more we meddle with the natural order, the more the natural order shifts to rebalance. We take with one hand, the planet takes back in another.
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I think she just watched me doing art a lot and decided she wanted to as well. Now she wants to learn photoshop. She has already figured out how to make stuff using other programs, but wants to push herself further. I should put it on her computer.
Yeah, the sculptures. I think I can blame her father and his flatmate/best friend for that one. They like dark and odd creatures, so I think it is through them that she has decided that sort of thing is cool. She goes there every weekend, and I'm not part of knowing what goes on, so hard to tell how much they influence her, but a fair amount I would say. The best friend guy has sort of been her role model (cos parents are just not cool enough for that role!). He has a rather malevolent sense of humour, but is a decent person.
He's a rather odd character, which can be marvelously entertaining to be around for short bursts of time (I do like odd characters), but perhaps not the best role model for her wider social integration with the world.
But then, I notice a lot of the games the kids are given to play these days, and there tends to be a lot of dark themes and warrior stuff, so this sort of thing is getting socialized into them as rather normative, but because it wasn't the case when I was younger I find it all a bit disturbing.
Ah, I was quite a soft and sensitive kid. Unfortunately for me, my family are quite aggressive people, and that kind of fucked me up a bit. I've learned to develop a thicker skin and, most importantly, to protect myself better with time. Honestly, I think the world is kind of fucked up, a lot of people's attitudes are fucked up, and I know I'm not perfect myself, but mostly I just try to have short and pleasant interactions with people who seem decent for the most part and avoid the abusive ones.
Art I treat differently from everyday interactions. With art, I sort of feel like I have to take more risks in expressing myself. I can often say through art what I would not say verbally, and if I feel like there is a pressure to censor me, it would just make me more determined to keep true to what I feel I want to express. I extend the same respect to other artists. I might not always like what they express, but I respect their individuality as an artist to do so.
Ha ha, I was tongue in cheek with the comments about choosing a mate, but on reflection, I've since wondered (like after having a kid), whether, perhaps on a sub-conscious level, I chose someone who was similar to myself - same hair colour, eye colour, similar intellectual and creative strengths. Perhaps that was narcissistic of me, but also perhaps reflecting some kind of biologically wired tendency too and not really about personality.
Yeah, love is a subjective term and means different things to different people. But so is faith. My conception of faith might be totally different from what you assume it might be, because we start from different assumption points. For me, it isn't tied to some sort of strict dogma, or words, or a religion and the parameters thereof. It's a more general thing, it is an understanding that whatever brought this world into being is in essence exactly the same thing irrespective of how different people want to conceptualize it. So when I see people going Jesus vs. Muhammed vs. Buddha or whatever, I just think that is pointless.
About as pointless as Democrats and Republicans bitching each other out as the rich ogliarchs that control America keep looking out for their own interests at the expense of the average Joe.
You think about it - if there is this supreme creative energy (which I don't know why everyone decides it has to be male, I would assume a supreme creative energy would be all things, so that includes female too, and everything else), it is basically so far over everything, so in control of everything, that why would it concern itself with having to instill fear in people to get them to follow it? It wouldn't - period.
If there is such a thing as spirits, that is the sort of thing I would expect from some kind of vampiric ancestor spirit seeking to strengthen itself though being remembered and other acts it can draw energy off (makes me think of Terry Pratchett's disc world, where there is all these ancestral Gods that disappear when they are forgotten, but the supreme creative energy continues exist independent of that). So that stuff, that is man trying to use the idea of the creative energy to divert worship towards their ancestors, which they have control of the system of tithing to, or the lands to defend in respect of, in order to weaken people from their personal power and inflate their own.
For me, faith is knowing I'm a small part of something much bigger than myself, interconnected with it all, that there are still many things that are unexplainable in this world, things that occur that make me stop and think 'hey, that's interesting...' and just a faith that if I notice certain things coming to my attention, and my intuition tells me to be guided by them, then to go with it.
That is my kind of faith. It is a sense that sometimes the guidance or information I need just comes to me, and a faith in myself that I will be able to discern and intuit what is solid guidance vs. what is designed to undermine and lead astray. And sometimes I get warnings, and I've learned that through ignoring them, they were real warnings because of consequences, so now I've developed a trust in those too, and that helps me navigate through life. So faith doesn't need to be a source of heartbreak, and having it can lessen anxiety born of the need to control too much.
An egg is a living thing, even a stone is a living thing. All things are living if you consider that things that change have some kind of life force. Everything is made of the same stuff at a small enough level.
Well, the body wasn't turned back to its original form, just to a powder. Remove the water from a body and it is pretty condensed. Actually, putting the powder into an egg, instead of putting it into the earth, actually keeps it from returning to the life cycle. It traps it. That is why I would prefer my material remains to be buried, without poisoning chemicals pumped into me, in the earth, with a tree planted on it.
Yeah, possession of oneself, that is something I do try to attain. To be able to stand strong in who I am and live my life as much as possible in a way I am at peace with. The idea of living it in servitude to be an energy extension of someone else does not do a heck of a lot for me. That's not to say that I don't recognize I have to exchange my energy with others to get through life, I can't do it all on my own, but to say that it is important to me that I have sufficient room to also be me in my life, because I think it would suck to get to the end of life and realize, as you were jumping off the ship, that you basically never did that.
I look forward to seeing your piece on Islam. Sounds interesting.
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The digital stuff does seem to attract the younger generation nowadays, but it does save money on supplies. 
Social integration is over-rated, really. Going away from the flock is the best route.
If you’re referring to video games, I believe those titles are made for late teens and adults, haha.
I don’t think there’s any debate that the world is fucked up. Society is an utter mess, at least speaking for us in the U.S. People are awful to each other and everyone is entitled… it’s not the best place in time to raise a child, I imagine. I was raised with an ultra aggressive mother and passive father… so I’m stuck in the middle there somewhere, with tendencies to swing wildly to either extreme.
Hell, with art I think the key is just to be, to exist in it, to be yourself. There’s no reason to go outside of yourself without research. I think one has to relax and let the inner flow outward… all of that Zen sounding type of shit. But I don’t know anymore than anyone else, just my 2 cents. I think the type of thing I say in my work is the type of crap that sprays out of my mouth… I never censor myself, regardless of company. I always try to keep it real.
Narcissism? Nah, I would look at that as a guarantee for a kid that is what you desire.
Faith is a general thing, but it’s how it’s placed. I put faith in this sports team to beat their opponent, I put faith that my cat will surely attempt to knock over my cup or milk at the first opportunity. So I feel you at that turn. I just associate faith more with religion than normal everyday life… because it’s normal everyday life it’s an inherent thing and not a focal point to some… but with religion it is, to some. It’s all the same stuff at the end of the day anyway. 
Americans refuse to believe that they, Democrats and Republicans, are working for the same damn group. And I’m not saying this as a conspiracy theorist. It seems like common sense when it’s looked out from a neutral standpoint.
I have a simple Nihilistic view point on most things. We are all just energy waves… going through the motion. We are all one, we are all the same [with different chemical compounds, creating different personalities], we are a fragment on a fragment on a fragment, in a gigantic universe.
Going as far to say a stone is a living thing? That’s zany, and I don’t know if I can see that… even when I agree we are all, everything in existence, is made of the same energy waves. A stone?
Well, I like the idea of a bloody pile of slush more than powder… something like a human soup. Solely for the gross factor…
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I'll have to look into that, the PS thing.
Always struggling to find a happy medium on the social thing, depends on my mood I suppose. Sometimes I'm more social, other times more withdrawn. When I get too withdrawn, I eventually get sick of it and try to correct my attitude, which sometimes drifts to a counter-productive place.
Ha ha - video games. I did a bit of gaming yesterday, after all the rellies have left post Xmas feast. Feeling a bit yuck cos of overeating the last week or so, but good to have a good rest today I think, eat through some leftovers, then get physical tomorrow. My daughter is still sleeping.
Yeah, it seems people have been getting more aggressive with each other, not just in America, but perhaps around the world? Maybe partly too the rigorously negative media we get fed, the superficial things we are encouraged to value. I dunno, sort of feels like the world needs to find a big dose of its heart again, me included.
Yeah, I agree, just let it flow out. But then sometimes I look at what has flown out of me, and under a different mood, might decide I'm an idiot, particularly if my nihilistic streak kicks off as well. It's like you can go off in this fantasy of finding meaning everywhere, and that is all very pleasing in a way, but then a shift of mood and you are thinking 'what does anything mean anyway? Perhaps there is no real point to anything. We are all just organisms, not special, we are born, we die, we try to give it some meaning in between.'
Eh, I've been accused of narcissism before, but I think that is an easy accusation to lob at people, particularly if they are not acting the way you want them to. Sorta attack them personally to weaken them sort of deal, to make them more malleable or whatever.
There is conspiracy theory and there is conspiracy fact. The word conspiracy theory is used like the word anti-Semitic to shut people up in America, to prevent them from talking about trends that are actually not hidden, not secretive, and hanging out like particularly offensive dogs balls.
What pisses me off is that there are some extremely rich businessmen or oligarchs (both currently, and in the past), who happen to also be Jewish (though not all of them are, but a number of them are), who engage in aggressive shit that harms a lot of people and tends to eventually produce a backlash. But does the backlash really hurt the super rich ogliarchs, or does it get taken out on easy targets?
So, like, it might have been the actions of a small group of rich Jewish bankers that really started hurting people, which set off the pogroms or holocaust (or crusades, heck this shit has been going on forever), but the anger was taken out on the entire ethnic group instead of the very narrow group of people within that group who were the actual problem. The ones who were causing the problems had the means to protect themselves, and they brought hell fire down on poorer people from their own background, and they kept doing it time and again (but it was wrong for people to take that out on those who were not responsible). Then, they hide behind what was done to the vulnerable to justify not being questioned about their actions, which only makes it more likely the whole negative cycle repeats itself again, the vulnerable to be victimized again.
When do we evolve, when do we stop such a nonsensical pattern? When do we become much more surgical in addressing and countering harmful actions? The way people have done things, it doesn't make sense.
We see this today, as well, with people wanting to discriminate against all refugees or Muslims because some among them had engaged in terrorist activities. The truth is, the majority of those refugees were fleeing from the very same terrorist activities and have been more routinely victimized by them than any Westerner has.
We seem to have a problem with over-generalizing the actions of small groups of people to much larger groups of people and using that to justify terrible actions or attitudes towards those larger groups. Does attacking the larger group hurt the smaller group who is the source of the problem? I don't think so, because for that smaller group to have engaged in what they did in the first place suggests a level of disconnect to the wellbeing of other people anyway.
Well, a stone, ok, not by the definition we give to what is living. But the planet is a huge stone, in a sense, and all life has come by way of that stone. I guess I was challenging the definition.
Human soup, hmm. I agree, it does have a higher gross factor!
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Eh, being social is over-rated.
Man, I can’t get into video games anymore… I got Fallout 4 hoping I could bring a bit of that love back, but I just got irritated with it and quit about 20 hours in.
I wish I knew more about the outside world, but in America the media is all America only type of “news”. I hear people say America is the next Rome… but really I think it could be society as a whole… no one gets along anymore. Everyone wants everyone around the world to be the same… thus fighting, fighting and fighting. I feel like it’s the artist’s duty to remind the world of peace… but a fourth of us do propaganda shit, myself included, a fourth of us do cartoon shit, fourth of us do straight aesthetic, and the other fourth does a mix of all of those… but rarely do you see peace activism in art anymore…. Or ever I suppose.
All artists are self absorbed to a degree… we wouldn’t be able to create otherwise.
Well, in America shit is all hidden from public eye… some how the world outside of the US knows more about the US and the US knows about the US… but you’re right… here people call it conspiracy theory… and call the believers “crazy” because no one in the US wants to see the obvious big hangy dogs balls.
Honestly… I’m fairly anti-Semitic… I’m not proud of it, and most people in the US are very pro-Semitic [is that even a phrase? 
There is an engine burning coal, somewhere, some how, that is ran by human, and made of human thought, that wants us to kill each other so the engine can burn the dead’s coal… not saying that engine is Jewish, haha, but that engine is human… they call them the “N.O.W.” or the “Illuminati”… I just call them the media and insurance companies… but they need this death and hate to continue so they can make a buck… but I wonder if they ever stop to think what will happen when they get their way… that very buck will be fucking useless.
We can’t evolve until the higher ups evolve. The ones running the media that feeds us like pigs in a trough… we can’t evolve until we see the okay from our glowing screens or newspapers. The problem is they need a stupid workforce, and that’s what they have in most of society.
That’s “conspiracy theory”… haha, right?
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Well, I got up to the final boss in Lightning Returns. Got through the first two stages of giving him the smack down, but the final stage I couldn't even make a dent in him. Wasn't equipped with the right sort of schemata to stagger him, which is the only way to do some damage. So I abandoned that. Currently licking my wounded pride at taking a beating, then will do some research and figure out what equipment I need to go in with to get the job done right.
A bit annoying, because I was actually looking forward to getting a cleared game and starting the game anew. You get to keep a bunch of stuff from the previous round, and the game has 4 locations that were all quite big and complex, and it was a timed thing, and well, I missed a bunch of stuff. So looking forward to going back in there having a better idea of what I am doing and some decent firepower to back me up.
I hear that from Americans about their news, and I find it a bit perplexing, because I live in New Zealand and I hardly ever read my local news. I don't have to - I've got the internet and I presume Americans can go anywhere on the net too. The thing is, there are plenty of countries around the world that are putting out news in English.
You want to know what the Russians are thinking? Check out RT News. The Iranians? Check out Press TV. What the Syrian Government is saying? Check out SANA.
If the American press does not give you balance, then go and see what the press of their favourite targets are saying. Sure, you'll get some propaganda from both sides, but between the two you'll find a modicum of truth.
I personally like these sites for well researched pieces:
www.globalresearch.ca/
www.counterpunch.org/
These guys back what they say up with referenced sources. Not like the drivel you get in most of the Western MSM these days (UK press has gone to the dogs too), full of anonymous sources, where half of what is said is utter bunk.
Besides that, search for Seymour Hersh, John Pilger. Any work by these guys. See what they have to say. They are top notch investigative reporters. Their first loyalty is to truth (although I suspect they know more than they let on, when an area is a bit too dangerous to confront head on, they tend to leave 'pointers' for you to investigate yourself).
If you are going to go political with your art, make sure your dagger is sharp. That means taking the time to be informed, having the nuance. Then it is not just propaganda. You'll find a lot of exciting things to put into art form that way too, things you can get really passionate about.
We could get into a deep and nuanced discussion about your comments re Judaism. Personally, I think the term Israelites is more appropriate, because most of them are not from the tribe of Judah. Most of the house of Judah were sent into exile in Babylon. The Maccabees/Hasmoneans who took Jerusalem in 166bc were of Levite descent. They were only meant to be of the priestly caste, not the royal class, so they took the title of Prince (nasi) instead of King (although John Hyrcanus claimed the title of King to himself). That was why Jesus claiming to have lineage to the line of David (thus the royal house of Judah) was a significant threat to those ruling Jerusalem in his time.
Herod, being an Edomite, had little claim to the throne, so took a Maccabee as a wife. But Jesus having descent from the line of David trumped both of them in terms of historical legitimacy to the throne of Judah. His lineage gave him the right to claim the title of Priest-King, while the others could aspire to Priest Prince at best.
However, who holds the right to occupy that land really depends on at what point in time you want to give any groups claim superior legitimacy. If you go further back than David, if you go further back than Joshua, if you go back to the story of Noah, etc.
It is true that there has been a concerted attempt to build a Jewish identity, a collective spirit around the idea of linked tribes. People like Adelson promote that by funding young people of Jewish descent to go to Israel to learn about their birthright (via Taglit Foundation). I would suspect they come back from that experience seeing themselves as separate from non-Jews, and of course anything that promotes an us vs. them mentality inevitably leads to conflict at some point.
With a capitalist system too, these tend to operate in societies where people have been encouraged to think as individualists, to value their autonomy, to live in ever smaller social units (and now much more commonly for people to live alone). This is what we have been taught to value (and what a variety of laws actually push us towards), and the more independent we are of others, the more vulnerable we are.
So people who work as collectives within individualistic societies - like the Jews, the Freemasons, the Brethren, etc, they tend to do well by pooling their collective energies and resources. But to be part of a collective means you have to give up certain things too. We all have that choice, whether to work collectively and be stronger in numbers, or to let ourselves be divided and therefore vulnerable.
What we can't have is our cake and eat it too - to be free to do whatever we want but still have other people looking out for us. It just doesn't work like that.
So you could be resentful because these people seem to be doing a lot better financially, but there are certain things they have given up in order to have that. Take the case of the Syrian Jews of Long Island (if I recall correctly). I was reading about them some time ago. They had been very successful, owned a lot of property, but if you wanted that financial success then you had to marry someone of the same background. You married out, you were cut off. There were probably other rules that had to be followed.
Yeah, I know what you mean about people who make money out of chaos and fear. Hedge fund people, the war machine, insurance companies. Not the kind of work I could ever do.
I get the feeling the higher ups would like there to be a massive depopulation on the planet. They've got so much money, are so bored by everything, that they get into the 'engineering the planet' gig. It feeds their egos. Personally, I don't think anyone should be rich enough that they can get involved in such gigs. There are already too many super rich nut jobs running around and messing up the world.
It ain't conspiracy theory, its the reality of how the world is. We are at the whims of a small group of super rich people out of touch with every day reality.
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I never picked that one up, never could get into XIII though. That “New Game+” stuff is generally for not.
Well, the thing with a lot of Americans is that we are brainwashed with our media to believe it all a certain way… and when we see other countries with media accounts in opposition to what we see… well, we don’t believe it and we go back to our own garbage. I typically use BBC and such for news, if I’m looking for it.
I’ve been to CounterPunch a few times, not a bad site, I’ll peep em’ when I need a source of news… I honestly try to stay away from the news from periods of time, too much shit I would rather not know about… sometimes I would rather be ignorant. Maybe that’s just the American in me.
I honestly just prefer doing propaganda art… I feel that the real deep researched type of political art won’t fly in my area… I live in a Christian and Conservative area that knows little of the outside, so if I did some wild shit based in hard truth and logic it would just go over heads and I would be called a “Muslim” or some stupid shit. If they don’t get it they call it “evil”, around these parts. I’m honestly trying to stop the propaganda work as well, or at least slow down on it, and work on aesthetics.
I’ve never been good at absorbing what I’ve read and retaining it… I’m a hands on visual type learner… documentaries are my best friend…. And some of your messages make me feel like a complete dumbass, not so much that it’s hard for me to retain the information, but more that I don’t know any of it to begin with… yet I know the people around me in “real life” don’t know it either, but I know they wouldn’t even bother trying to know it.
I gotta say though… I wish for some depopulation as well… this planet is far too crowded for it’s found resources.
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Yay! I managed to defeat the boss and am now playing through a new game like a ninja. Except I've been playing too long, time to go to bed!
BBC you say? Sorry to tell you, you won't find much divergence there from the propaganda narratives these days either. Check out this interview with Pilger:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py_Xww…
The most important thing he says: "'The propaganda is even more lethal because it comes from sources of news that have credibility." Guess who he was referring to? The Guardian and BBC. Yep, compromised. I had already noticed that about the Guardian over a year before I saw this interview, and I have been speaking out, but its kinda scary to do so. But more people are speaking up now. The amount of damage the lies were doing to the world, well it just became too much, and so there is a growing backlash underway.
People just want the powers that be to act reasonably, you know? To speak truth. To do what is right, not what is profitable or because someone is pulling their strings.
Well, you have your TV brainwashing you, then probably a ton of fluoride in the water to make you all passive or whatever, I dunno. The only thing is, innocent people in other countries die getting munched up by a run amok military industrial complex that false flags its way into new conflicts and keeps skirting international law, even arming the likes of Isis and Al Qaeda FFS!
You might think 'so what?' if it isn't affecting you and maybe benefiting American citizens, but I don't really know that it does. How many homeless people, people who can't get medical care, seriously injured or psychologically messed up war vets are there? So I don't reckon the American people get a good deal out of how things are done either.
Fair enough, you've got to create to your market if you are looking to sell locally. Yeah, I've seen that online sometimes, people wanting to find some way to call you evil just cos you are challenging the narrative they are happy with. It's kind of sad that this kind of thinking is going on. The village folk sharpening their pitch forks cos they've had the wits scared out of them and anything that challenges the narrative they've been fed makes them feel panicky, so their reject it violently. I understand that.
Don't feel stupid. If you wanna know what I think about something ask me, if you would rather talk about less intense shit (I'm kinda intense, I must admit, most people in NZ would feel the same way you are feeling, including my own family) then steer the conversation another way, I'll happily talk about most things.
You think I get much more than the odd comment in passing on this kind of stuff in to my folks, or even the ex husband? Nope, not really. They don't wanna know, not interested to have a deep discussion, and would be pissed off if they felt like I knew what was up but they didn't. Their ego gets in the way of hearing. So I keep my conversations mostly to light and pithy so I don't have to experience the inevitable shut down.
The majority of people are quite happy to have their heads in the sand unless their house is burning down. Then they are all like 'how did that happen, why didn't someone warn us?' Well, there are people that try and put the fires out well before they get to the house, and they can see the way the fire is tracking, and they tend to get ignored when they warn you, because if you can't see it then it can't be right. Until time proves them right, of course.
Yeah, plenty of people would like to see the population reduced, they just don't want to be one of the ones reduced. 
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Well, the thing I like about BBC News is that they cover stuff that happens around the world, as opposed to just American news. Hell, here in Texas in our “history” and “social studies” school classes they only teach American history and Texas history… they do have something called “world history” that on occasion mentions another country… but only when we had a war with them.
I most all news corporations are bias to one angle or another… and the ones that aren’t don’t last long… or they’re called “fake” by the big corporations.
Hell, I watch American football constantly… I am right this minute actually, and I can tell that even it is brainwashing as hell… but I figure knowing what it is doing is part of fighting it.
Vets, homeless, and mentally ill are all shit on here… I was in a mental institute for 6 months a few years ago… and I have not been able to get help since I left… not a doctor, nor a help with disability or anything. The rich keep those people down for a reason, but I haven’t figured out why, yet.
It isn’t even just creating a market for myself… I just get tired of defending my voice… I mean, you could say I’m being weak by avoiding it… but I have a constant stain on my face as a nutbag, and it gets tiring.
I prefer the deep or intense stuff, it’s just your knowledge level is a mountain compared to my ant hill, and I get lost quick. 
I feel you with the family thing… I typically stick to dick jokes… it’s easier for everyone in the room. I figured your ex-husband would be the type to get into this type of thing, I mean, you did say he was an intellect.
Speaking of people’s houses burning down… you should check out this book: theburninghouse.com/ Well, that’s their site, or whatever, but there is a book too. It’s interesting stuff. Makes ya think.
Well, I’m only for it if I have some control on whom stays and whom fucks off, haha. Most of Texas would be in trouble.
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On a rant.
Basically, what is likely to drive people crazy more than anything is being smart enough to perceive that you are being fed a whole crock of bullshit. When you first realize that, your brain just becomes a complete jumbled mess. You have to question everything you previously took as gospel, learn to stand back from it, question it, and find your way through that mess to something that actually makes sense. It is quite a traumatic process and it takes some time to get through - years and years even. Anger is also a large part of it, anger at yourself for having been stupid enough to fall for things, anger at others for being less than what they presented themselves as.
There is a lot of tearing down of pedestals that others had convinced you to put them on. They get you and control your thinking when you are still quite young, you see? You are looking for guidance in the world, and you think you have found good and honest people to guide you.
Ha, I still have some of these people in my network. Sometimes they ask if I will come back to that sort of gig. But you know what is pretty much the standard thing they suggest if I want to get some work? That I come up with a bunch of ideas, do all the groundwork on them, apply for grants, and they will let me do that in tandem with them through the University, and I will get some work from that if I do manage to secure funding. Same old bullshit. Does not change. Why the hell would anyone let themselves be stung twice by the same system? No, not an option.
On a less bitchy note, it was the ex hubby's birthday yesterday, and I gave him some gifts today when he came to pick up his daughter. A six pack of India Pale Ale, and a shit ton of streaky bacon. Birthday beer and bacon! Oh, and this slab of granite for slicing and serving steaks on, with a steak knife and fork. I deserve a medal for the best ex wife ever dammit! He was well pleased.
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If life has taught me anything at all it would be “question everything and trust no one” which I typically live by. I think the biggest thing you can learn about life from the telly is “how not to act, and what not to believe”, but instead people watch reality shows and try to mimic the retards on the shows. The brainwashing is too deep in most people, and they aren’t strong enough to fight it. Besides, even if they did what good would it do. For people who know the truth… what is there? What can you do with it that actually benefits anything? It’s pointless to fight really. You kind of have to accept that the world is stupid and keep staying an individual free from it all, I guess.
Pedestals are for the Olympics.
College is the biggest scam in the history of mankind.
Hell, ex wives you see on TV take the house and car… but you give beer and bacon, what in the fuck, really, what in the fuck?
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Ha ha, yeah, I gotta admit I do enjoy watching those reality TV shows, but I also cringe at the thought of some people emulating them, particularly the quite bad examples. Been watching cooking shows at the moment. That is not too bad, because I learn about different ingredients, ways to cook them, flavour profiles, and that has a practical application cos you gotta eat everyday, and you might as well eat something tasty. The fight for your dream in food thing they push though, that doesn't effect me, cos I've already had my own small food business and I know that while it can be satisfying in a number of ways, your profit margin for effort is typically pretty low.
But the reality shows, while I know some of it is contrived, you can see a lot of patterns of actual human behaviour that are recognizable, and it sort of reveals the inner thinking process of the various parties, and that can be quite informative as to how people operate.
For people who know the truth? Well, that is an absolute, and the world does not tend to work too well with absolutes. One person's truth can be very different from another person's truth and you've just got to allow that to be the case, but speak your version of truth I guess, and if it has merit, then some elements of it may take root. Those roots might not even grow significantly in your lifetime, but be passed down and start growing when the conditions are right for just that kind of thought. So never think being who you are and thinking what you think is pointless, because you don't know that it is. Just be who you are, and express as you feel you want to express. Let that be enough, and let it ripple out to effect the world as it may.
So check that thinking. Are you thinking things are pointless because unless you see a strong immediate effect it was for nothing? Like banging on a drum and hoping your eye will see some creature react to it. The anxiety comes from thinking this is the need that has to be fulfilled, and the only valid measure of what is worthwhile.
However, an earthquake in one location can send a great wave on to a shore thousands of miles away. The butterfly flaps its wings, all this kind of thing, you see? I am reminded of that movie 'Pay It Forward'. Who knows where our ripples may lead, we have to learn to be selfless in terms of letting go of them, and then we are free to create ripples without self doubt.
Pedestals are also for the trusting mind who wants to think there are reliable people to help them through life. The tearing down of them is usually a greater loss to the person who put someone on it, than to the actual person who was placed there (who was probably near to entirely oblivious of the status they held). I used to have quite a few people on pedestals, my mum, some of my teachers. Now I can't think of a single person I have on a pedestal. But maybe that is just part of coming into your own with age.
Yeah, college in current times is definitely a scam. Historically, maybe also, but in current times, I think more so. That is because it got turned into a business that needs bums on seats to turn a profit. Everything then gets degraded to fit that purpose.
Well, to be fair, when we split, he left me pretty much everything in the house (we didn't own a house) and the car (which he eventually took back when I got given another car), and also the kid (except for weekends). But we split back in 2008, and no one else really gives him decent gifts, and he is my kid's father, so I make an effort to ensure he feels someone cares on his birthday. He also gives nice gifts in return.
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More about work and it dominating your mind. I would say I was boring as fuck when I was working 70 hours a week. All I could think about was the project I was working on, because it was constantly pressing for my attention. The work I was doing, well it had a lot of jargon associated with it, so anyone that wasn't in that line of work couldn't understand what I was going on about. 'Well, at the moment, we are planning the second stage of the longitudinal study, and I am working through the logistics, piloting and testing the psychometrics for the quantitative component of our methodology, and engaging with key stakeholders to make sure the sort of information they require for policy making is represented in the survey instrument. One of my bosses is also working up a structural equation model by which we will test the time linked data.'
Now that will make people's eyes glaze over faster than anything.
And if I did have any downtime from working on the project, the bosses had also taken care of where my focus should be then. 'You haven't published any papers from your thesis, you owe it to people to be working on publishing those, plus if you want to keep your job at the University, you have to publish or perish. Further, if you want to keep working at the University, you have to come up with new research ideas, write proposals and get funding for them, or else when this project is over you are out. Unfortunately, the University has no money to pay for this, so you have to do it in your own time.'
This is what I found to be just stinking bullshit about working in academia. In terms of publishing papers, the only thing it really helped was the reputation of the University. The press releases I put out and the attention they raised for the issues of my participants was much more effective and immediate in terms of helping them - articles typically get published 1 to 2 or more years later, by which time it is too late to have the influence needed right then and there. So no, it wasn't about letting participants down, it was about raising the Universities kudos by having lots of academics who were published.
Also, researching and writing proposals is really time consuming. If you do get funding, the only thing you get to keep is your job, perhaps not even full time hours. Most of the money gets sucked up by University administration costs. So what are you doing, really? You are working to find money for the University, with no financial assistance from the University to do so, even though they are the ones that profit above all others. Exploitation - a mug's game.
If you ever showed signs of being weary and disgruntled by all of this, you would have to sit there in a meeting with the bosses, both psychologists, who would try to tell you what your problem was psychologically speaking. In other words, they would fuck with your head. Of course, they were busy taking personal credit for all of my work as well, and resented it whenever outsiders could see I was the source of some good thing or another (usually because when they asked questions, everyone had to keep passing them on to me, cos I was doing all the work, they were disengaged, and only I had really good knowledge of what was going on).
Honestly, when I left that job, I realized there was a whole bunch of stuff about the world that I just didn't know. But I had acquired these great research skills to investigate it with, so I started expanding my knowledge, devouring everything to begin with, and focusing it more with time.
I guess I realized that my job had taken a strong brain and put it in a box where its time was so preoccupied it could never be used to question the system it had been trapped in. Now I just run completely amok with it and I love it!
That's how the powers that be maintain control over the people with a few brain cells to rub together, you see? In academia, they work you so hard you don't have time to pay attention to anything else. If you go work for the Government, the hours are more relaxed, but when you sign on for the job you sign a statement that you will never publicly express an opinion that differs from your employer. You trade the freedom of your voice and brain for money.
Anyone that comes up with a realization of a trend that is heading in a very bad direction for folks, if it does not suit the agenda of those in power for that to be known or anything done about it, they learn they either have to shut up, or they get blacklisted, labelled crazy, can't get a job. I'll tell you right now, those are the people we should be listening to.
By in large, the people that get into positions of power in this world are short on intellect, big on ego, and open to being corrupted. They also tend to be well connected, went to the right type of schools. Their abilities are over-hyped, they are put into top paying positions just to ride the gravy train, and they keep their positions by taking credit for the work of the intelligent but poorer underlings, who they sap dry, burnout, and then bury the corpses of.
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Yeah, my ex hubby grew up in Los Angeles and was in school there until he was eight (and then for a year when he was 12 or so). It was all very American based history stuff, and doing the pledge of allegiance or something like that. Patriotism, inward focused, as a general socializing theme. I've heard a lot of Americans say they got a whole new take on the world when they went and lived overseas. I think the American diaspora does try to feed different perspectives back home, so it is not like the information is not there, it is probably more a case of whether or not it is encouraged to be there.
I remember some time ago reading about a comment that had been made by a Turkish journalist appraising the American media system. They said they thought they had more published dissent in their country than what was found in America. That the American media system had drummed the idea of the people having freedom into their heads so much that they just assumed they had it, that what they got told was the full range, instead of a facade of dissent, where inconsequential things were quibbled over by left or fight, for instance, but the same core message that they wanted people to swallow remained the same.
Oh yeah, anything that might be giving a whiff of truth will be called conspiracy or not legit in some way, and that, I believe, is further helped by the fact that some of those conspiracy sites are probably only there to be a first layer of protection, so they are deliberately putting out some crack pot stuff to help muddy the waters and keep the system safe. I know this, because I've seen bias in such places in practice. They will cover things up just as much as a legit outlet if it goes against their agenda. Anything agenda run is not run on truth. Basically, there are many ways you get can co-opted back on message. Very manipulative system.
Well, hard to say if America completely funded and founded Isis. The gulf states and Turkey seem to be heavily involved in the gig in any case. Operation Gladio B would suggest that Al Qaeda is a tool for the CIA though, and if I recall correctly, Isis grew out of that. So yeah, in a roundabout way, I suppose it is. There was America supposedly bombing these guys and they were getting stronger instead. The Iraqis were complaining about resources being dropped to Isis by American planes. There was also talk that some of the people helping Westerners to get into Syria to join Isis also worked for the CIA.
Ha ha - sport. Don't do sport. But I suppose football is at least a bit more evolved than something like drag racing, which seems to be about people driving around and around in circles.
Yeah, with vets you gotta feel like it is 'you're a hero, now be a good hero and actually die in service so we don't have to support you, cos we know what we made you do fucked you up.'
I think people having a hard time getting help if they have mental health issues is probably a world wide issue. I know it is an issue in my country too. I don't like how they just throw drugs at people, or these imperfect diagnostic systems, where they label you with the best fit no matter if it is correct or not and that is it, labelled and stigmatized. Or how people can go through a break down due to burnout and a bunch of negative events happening, that turns their heads to custard for awhile, and the system wants to try and say 'oh this person must have had this mental disorder all along, but it only manifested later in life,' etc. The only reason they do that, which is a crazy approach in itself, is because they want to put people into tidy boxes. Is life so tidy as these boxes they created? I think not. So that is an illusion in itself.
Whether you are crazy or not seems to be a case of the degree to which you are buying into the currently popular and accepted illusions/delusions. If you buy into the same ones everyone else is getting high on then you are not crazy, but if you go creative with your illusions, then you are crazy. Well, until such time as your illusion turns into some new invention that everyone then decides is cool and normal.
Fact of the matter is, sometimes people have a whole bunch of shit happen to them and it overwhelms their ability to cope. It could happen to anybody at any point in their lives, and the way the brain reacts to that is remarkably similar across people, so that was the way it was designed to react to over stimulation. They get put on drugs that band aid the issue instead of having their brain work through stuff naturally, then the system tries to make it that if it broke you ever, you can never live it down, even if you recover, which a lot of people do. I think more people would recover if there was a better approach taken.
I don't really see it as a have or have not thing either. I think there have been plenty of instances of rich people losing the plot. To have so much money you could do anything you want, well, I can readily imagine how that could lead people into a variety of dangerous psychological places.
Well, if you are worried about the constant stain thing, then perhaps have two accounts or outlets. One where you can express whatever you damn please, and another softer outlet? Not saying you should, just spitballing.
Oh well, in terms of knowledge, just remember I'm more than a decade older than you, and I've done a lot of reading about a lot of stuff for a long time. It does take time to build your knowledge base. Ten years from now, we will both know a lot more than we do now.
My family are all war and gun mad, and I'm just 'not.' I don't really have anything in common with them. And my folks fight constantly. My daughter and I stayed for one night the other day. Do you think they could go one night without trying to start an argument and drama? No. Everything gets turned into a drama. I said 'please don't do this, we are only here for one night.' This is why I avoid them. And there is always both overt and covert shit that is trying to attack my confidence. I always come away feeling weaker. It's sad, but I am best to stay away from them as much as possible.
Some nice little zingers from my mother, when I said I had had trouble sleeping (the bed was too hard, it hurt my back, which hurt for most of the day). 'I sleep well because I have a clear conscience,' 'I sleep the sleep of the just.' And this, because I think I had been feeling a bit negative from lack of sleep - 'Negative people tend to die young.' So somehow me having a bad nights sleep has transformed into her mind that I couldn't sleep but she can because she has a clearer conscience and is a more just person? That is just fucked up. And by the way, saying negative people die young is something a negative person would say.
Oh, yeah, the ex has got into quite a bit of this stuff in the past, but he works pretty long hours these days and I don't think he has really stuck his head in that sort of stuff for awhile just because he has been so busy. The stuff he did learn in the past, he can use that to engage in conversation with me, but I think it is just a case of being too busy and preoccupied to engage. Hell, when I was working 70 hours a week I only had time to think about my work, so I totally get that. Work can come to own your mind pretty completely if you are not careful.
Interesting about the burning house thing. I would make sure the animals and daughter were out, probably take my computer box and hard drive (wouldn't worry about the monitor), my wallet, keys, camera. If we had time to grab some clothes, some of those too (but they are easy enough to replace). I suppose it is good that I have this online gallery with some family photos in it and also some on FB, plus a bunch more on the computer. A lot of stuff is just stuff, you know? I'm not that attached to it.
Lol, poor old Texas if you are in charge.
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During school… sporting events… any big public gathering… they play that stupid fucking anthem… if you have a good product you don’t have to market it… guess the US government didn’t get the message. Someday I’m moving to Canada… I don’t know how or when, but one day.
Product placement and ideology placement are in all visual fields of the American eye. That’s why I’ve hammered the anti-marketing scene so hard on so many occasions in my work… the National Anthem doesn’t hurt the brainwashing scheme they have going either.. keeps us patriotic and shit. Patriotism is one of the greatest evils… it makes you xenophobic and hatful. But yeah, this country is probably the king of mind control, but North Korea is up there too.
It’s funny how much folks “foreign” from our country know so much more about what goes on, in this country, than we do. The ones that are informed are generally so paranoid of the government that they turn to drink and depression, or maybe drugs, and are called “loons” by everyone else. I like being where I am, I know a little about most things, but not enough to where I can’t get my mind out of the hole. It’s a barefoot on a needle kind of thing.
I don’t know if I said fully funded them or not, but I totally didn’t mean they do, everyone has a bit, with fuel and stuff. I’ve heard for years that Bin Laden was a CIA operative.
Drag races are generally in a straight line, and NASCAR is in circles, haha.
I have a few friends that were in the military and it fucked them all up in the head. Yet, I kind of regret not joining… I could’ve used a little stability and structure.
I feel better off the drugs than I do on them. The drugs make you apathetic as hell. I feel ya with the categories… why can’t we just called the ones with mental illness “a lil’ fucked in the head” instead of these long titles that are hard to remember and repetitive? I would rather “a lil’ fucked in the head” than manic depressant with schizo effective tendencies, that just sounds scary.
Hipsters and mental illness, haha.
You just wrote my biography.
Ah, nah, that’s just ain’t me, I’ll keep my shit together. If you can’t handle my brash and abrasive commentary then I don’t give a shit if you like my “normal” work. That ain’t me. Love me or hate me, that’s what I do.
While I do think age can play a part in knowledge I also think it can hamper it, in some cases. I’ve known many folks in their 40-50-60s’ that stopped trying new learning techniques when they were 20 or 30… and they’re stuck in their ways and don’t seem to have the thirst for knowledge. Hell, most people I know “in real life” aren’t thirtsy for knowledge. There’s complacency in most with knowledge in my world.
It’s good to talk to someone that has the thirst and has quite a large encyclopedia in their head already, for a change. I spend so much time arguing with my best friend from school about this kind of shit, he doesn’t give a damn about anything and just wants to watch damned anime all day, yet he’s a creative and intelligent mind.
I never had a real family situation. I was adopted by a family in constant turmoil and no one got along, so no one ever talked, which I think I would prefer to your situation. The constant fighting would drive me up a wall.
Your mum sounds a lot like mine, based on that statement. it’s really damn judgmental and blind to say lack of sleep is from a “badness” in a person… Makes me think of “Judith” from A Perfect Circle.
Work is a good way to keep your mind from wondering as well. It inspired so many artists before us… like Francis Bacon (the painter not the composer) and Bukowski as well. If they hadn’t racked their brains with monotonous work we wouldn’t have the great stuff they created.
Personally I would grab anything breathing, my camera, and I would heave my paintings and collages out the nearest window to safety, then maybe my PC, but it’s a situational thing I suppose.
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Sigh, and what do you know, why does this not surprise me? Was reading the comments on an article about the Saudi Crown Prince and someone mentioned he has been taking advice from an NY based firm called Mckinsey Consultants. So, out of curiosity, I decided to see whether George Soros had any connection to McKinsey Consultants. Ah yes, he certainly does. In reading about hacked emails that detailed Soros profit grab attempts in Ukraine (the ouster of the Government there he helped orchestrate) I find this:
"Splitting Naftogaz into separate companies could allow Soros to take control of one of the new branches and essentially privatize its profits. He already suggested that he indirectly brought in US consulting company, McKinsey, to advise Naftogaz on the privatization."
What makes that comment even more interesting is that the Prince has just announced he planning to float some of the Saudi state owned oil company (worth trillions) on the stock market. Oh damn, I suspect George is at it again.
That would be funny if it wasn't so frightening. An 85 year old madman has whittled his way around the dementia of an 84 year old King to influence his naive young son. But that is classic George though. His Open Societies target young people to get them to protest for his causes, which he then manipulates into chaos that he makes a profit from.
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Only downside about Canada is that it gets really freaking cold in winter, like homestuck cold. Not that I have ever been there. Have been to America though, just four days in LA.
The Patriotism thing, well it is certainly helpful to the military industrial complex. It promotes a sense of exceptionalism perhaps? Which can be used to justify aggression against weaker others, which pretty much runs counter to the idea of being the good guys. No wonder people are confused and try to stick their head in the sand over it all. I can understand the fear thing too.
Ok, drag racing is a straight line, Nascar is around in circles. It's just not complex enough to hold my attention. Golf I have not played in a long time, and certainly not in a serious competitive manner, but that I don't mind so much, because it can be a rather pleasant outing with someone, ambling around chatting, trying to hit a ball, laughing at how wrong it all goes or surprised if you actually do well. I quite like badminton too. Good exercise, lots of lunges so a wicked workout for the thighs, plus the shuttlecock is light so does not jar your arm on contact. Snooker, pool, darts, ping pong, they are ok too.
I can see the upside of perhaps developing some discipline through the armed forces, and how that could be a useful tool in life, but yeah, the head fucking thing, not so good.
Manic depressive with schizo affective tendencies, yep, that's a waltz around the DSM diagnostic criteria. Honestly, it is not a perfect system, there are huge issues with it. Plus, new 'disorders' get added all the time for insurance purposes. State vs. trait based symptoms is usually based on a certain time frame, say like exhibiting the behaviour for six months continuously - but sometimes breakdowns take longer than six months to work through, and they are more state based than about how the brain is wired.
There are some people whose brain chemistry is consistently unbalanced, or brain structure is different. Such cases typically present themselves in the late teens, once the brain reaches a certain point of development. But honestly, from the mental health records I witnessed when working in such an area at one time, what impressed upon me more than anything was that one record after another detailed severe physical and sexual abuse suffered by people when they were children. So is that a mental disorder, or is it shattered minds due to fucktard adults messing them up? It is just tragic really, it makes me fume.
Yes, you've made an important distinction there. Age alone does not determine how much we come to know. It must be matched with a thirst for knowledge. Some people simply learn a little, are satisfied with that, and shut themselves off to anything that challenges that from there. Me, I'm a thirst for knowledge person. I like to feel like I am always learning something, keeping the brain active and developing.
Yes, if you have that thirst and it is greater than those of the people that surround you, then you have to learn to what degree you can filter that out to them. People will shut you down when it gets too much. I suppose it all depends on what their mind state, level of curiosity is, at any given time. I've heard 'you think too much' plenty of times. But no, I don't think too much, I just think more than the person who is telling me that is comfortable with.
Yeah, constant fighting is hard to grow up around.
Ha ha - my mum. I told the ex hubby about the comment she made about negative people dying young. He said 'why is she still breathing then?' Lol. I guess that tells you what he thinks of her.
Lack of sleep denoting badness is also an incredibly stupid thing to suppose when the person complaining about it does actually sleep very well 'in their own bed.' I had only had trouble sleeping two nights in a row because I had just spent one night sleeping at my best friends house (it was freaking freezing, I shared the bed with my daughter, and the toilet was right next door, with other people using it during the night), then the next night sleeping at my mother's house, in another room right next to a toilet, on a bed that was way harder than I was used to (and pretty much immediately started hurting my back when lying on it), with animals noises outside that I was not used to either.
Again, as the ex-hubby said, he sleeps well in his own bed, but whenever he sleeps somewhere else he has a shit nights sleep. I mean how many people have that experience when taken out of their normal environment? I'm guessing a lot! So for my mother to try and make that out to be a symptom of a mind troubled by conscience, well, it is just psychotic, it is fucking crazy, totally unnecessary and just irrationally negative for the sake of being negative.
I don't need to listen to that sort of BS.
What did Bacon do that was monotonous?
As an aside, here are the names of the two people whose activities most need to be checked on the world stage at this time:
George Soros (who I've brought up before), and...
Saudi defence minister and Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman – 29-year-old favourite son of the ageing King Salman, who is suffering from dementia.
Prince Mohammed is full of ideals, but short on experience and has wayyyyyy too much power. I'm figuring his dad, who is meant to be the one with the power but has dementia, really does not have a good handle on what is going on. I would suspect that Prince Mohammed might be keen on the idea of being the one to kick off a prophesied war between Shia and Sunni. Of course, if he was allowed to get his way, it would throw the whole world into turmoil. George has his own messianic delusions (and probably a bit of dementia too, given his age). They both have too many resources at their disposal in order to try and prosecute them.
So yeah, goes to my point that it is not just poor people that can have problems arising from mental health issues. In a roundabout way, I think both of these characters have become quite dangerous because men in their 80's have been invested with too much power but degenerating brains. George, I think, perhaps acts off his own bat, but with the Saudi King and Prince situation, someone too young is getting too much influence because they are a favourite of someone too old and feeble to resist what they want.
The Prince is old enough to know what he wants, and to try and get it, but I don't think old enough to have the experience to realize you don't always get what you want and things can blow back on you in unexpected and terrible ways.
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Hell, I’d prefer the cold to this hot ass state.
Sure it’s helpful in brainwashing poor redneck children into joining a government’s cause, but I shouldn’t have to listen to the shitty song every time I watch a football game.
I think everything you names I would simply throw into the “games” category more than “sports” but different places spawn different things I guess.
Hell, my head is fucked regardless, a little discipline might have made it easier to organize the fucked up thoughts, or something.
I think too many of the “disorders” in the DM manual have the damn symptoms… so why break it into a thousand fucking disorders? I don’t think telling a person they have [insert medical jargen here], when it comes to metal illness, really helps anything…. Oh now I have a label, big deal doesn’t change shit… but the medicine steps in and changes all of that. Apathy here we come.
I figure if one isn’t learning something in some sort of fashion, in whatever they’re doing, they’re wasting their time.
I wondered why my mum was still breathing when I was 19 and helping her change her shit filled pants.
I just suggest Melatonin, that shit works pretty well.
Beats me, I just know he claimed, his own words, that to enjoy monotonous work as it helped his mind wonder to art… yet all I ever heard of his history was that he shagged up with rich men and friends and gambled.
Well, there is this little bitch here in the Texas: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Co…
Money means little to mental illness. Even the rich can be mental cases.
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I prefer where I live, it is temperate. Never gets too hot, never get too cold.
I lived in Perth through a summer, where the heat was getting up to 40 degrees Celsius on a regular basis. Didn't enjoy that very much. So sticky! And the insects in hotter climates, well they seem to grow so damn big!
Never lived through a really cold winter. Arrived in London in April one year and left in early December. Had I stayed a little longer, I would have experienced that.
It is the falseness of the patriotism too. It is one thing if your country is still owned by Americans, but when it was essentially sold to English banks in the early 20th century and their owners pretty much call the shots, well it is just a bit of a have really.
I was sent to Outward Bound when I was about 23, that was meant to instill discipline in me. What I primarily learned was who in my group were stab you in the back 'winners' and who were decent caring folk. Most fell into the former category. They were the ones that were good at all of the competitive stuff, but absolute shit at the caring for others stuff.
The more disorders they have, the more people who will have enough symptoms to fit into one of their little boxes for the bureaucratic system.
The thing I don't like is seeing people or their parents/family members putting that label so large around them that everything else about them seems to cease to exist. That is just wrong. How horrible. Kinda like they are no longer a person, just an illness, and the way of thinking reinforces that. It doesn't have to be that way. No wonder people get suicidal.
Yeah, if they are not learning something they are already kind of dead in a way, just waiting for death. 'Yep, done everything I'm gonna do, learned everything I'm gonna learn, just waiting to stop breathing now thanks.'
Melatonin for sleeping?
I would agree that monotonous work gives your mind the chance to wander to creative places. Bacon did seem to live a life of privilege.
That guy, and his family, the Texan kid - they just sound like super arrogant and entitled people who don't care who they harm. I would say that kid was brought up by a like minded father, and a mother that never criticized him, basically told him he could do no wrong and any wrong was someone else's fault. You see a bit of that in NZ too. I wish mother's didn't do that with their sons, because they are usually dooming any partners they may have to horrible horrible treatment.
Yep, mental illness does not discriminate on the basis of money. Intelligence also does not discriminate. Probably half the reason why the old nobility eventually lost most if not all of its holdings was due to breeding half wits. Maybe that is what you get for breeding with trophy wives instead of intelligent women.
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Sorry I haven't replied yet. Been away the last three days. Just got home, really freakin' tired cos I did not sleep well either of the nights I was away (missed my own bed big time!), then got a full on day of work to get through tomorrow. Think I am going to hit the hay now, and will respond later tomorrow or the next day.
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My pleasure and you are very welcome!
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