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kanyiko In reply to ??? [2013-06-01 22:49:59 +0000 UTC]
She's clenching them so tightly for fear, you couldn't even get a piece of dental floss between them! XD
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larqven [2013-06-01 04:09:47 +0000 UTC]
Poor Freya, faced with fear! And why not? This is probably the singe hardest thing that she's ever done! Meeting these men by herself is suicidal as it is, and she's going in disarmed and with her shields down!
She has to rely on her rugged good looks to save her! And her mother's head!
Well, that butt shot got my attention! After the triple moons of the Jabharil Trio pic, I ought to be well steeled for this sight, but I can see why Freya thought of this as going to meet the men with her tail raised and wagging her butt!
Truly, a nude woman approaching with the head of their enemy will be intrigueing, but her words will have to follow through... Very interesting that it is the Kanov who are emerging from the woods, quite the reversal in that.
Sorry that I failed to comment on this pic and the can-opener pic for so long!
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kanyiko In reply to larqven [2013-06-01 20:35:21 +0000 UTC]
Don't forget, in her human form, she's rather hairless - and Kanovs love their women to have some hair! XD
She is incredibly nervous - and scared! - though, she would rather face all of the Kanovs in a fight, than try and negociate with them. If it wasn't prohibited content, she'd probably be busy peeing her (unworn) pants... <.<
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kanyiko In reply to larqven [2013-06-02 10:31:44 +0000 UTC]
I know, there once was a rather cute picture of a proud satyr father being peed on by his baby son he was holding in his arms - dA banned that almost immediately under their 'scat/pee' rules. >.<
I'm actually mulling about reactivating my old FA account, to upload some more, erm... 'other' things. I mean,... *sigh*
...
Anyway, not all Werewolves are hairless - remember that Fergal's actually quite hairy, as is Ganaz. It only appear to be the females of the species who are reasonably hairless - Pumori being a bit of an exception.
And Freya can't help thinking she's doing the 'foolish' thing, rather than something smart or brave. I think the only reason she's not peeing herself, is because she hasn't any more left - all gone! XD
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larqven In reply to kanyiko [2013-06-02 17:32:46 +0000 UTC]
"FA" account? What is "FA"?
Yeah, I guess I can understand why the moderators and others' rules on other, more sexual, sites might place pee, scat, and both together in the "ultra-offensive" category, or ban it altogether.
But when seeing such stuff amongst gore, vore, mutilation and whatever else, an inclusion of just a little pee going off just seems odd when included amongst such heavy categories!
As for the story, maybe a good thing that she got it all eliminated out of her before than doing in front of the Kanov?
"Look! She's marking her territory! Is she insulting us?!"
"No, it's a reflex among werewolves I guess? She probably can't help herself?"
Also, yeah, upon making my post I suddenly saw Fergal with all his body hair; clearly some sexual dimorphism going on?
The best chance that Pumori may have will be to essentially say, "You got us, we can't fight you with the wolves that I have on hand. You're angry, and have every reason to be! The previous alpha went mad because she wanted that cub dead! Her leadership has been challenged and here is her head! I am the new alpha...
You can take revenge on me if you'd like--but you'll never find my werewolf forces--and they can find you and your people later on! Some are watching you right now! But enough of that, I'll negotiate a settlement with you so as hopefully you'll leave satisfied and not have to face a White Fang attack again!"
She'd probably have to give up a big chunk of territory, make various other gestures such as providing meat and timber cutting every year and, well, maybe give some fealty by offering werewolf services to the Kanov chieftain in charge, make some ritual submission as guys often think with their dicks...
Some sex that might be worth a lot of hectares of land in negotiations... Also, much of Pumori's generous dealings might well stem from this encounter. It shouldn't be a problem as these Kanovs will also serve with the Dark Legion / Free Peoples. Pumori might well be an equivalent of a banner-woman for the Kanov chieftain?
The Kanov chieftains and select warriors (like Bog with the Omega) might "get some" with a werewolf girl, and they get to leave happy in the knowledge that they took the mighty White Fang by surprise, and forced a humiliating settlement out of them, even if it was bloodlessly done.
It's quite a pain to get a army rolling, and once formed, it HAS to do something! At least this way, the Kanov came and conquered even if it didn't require hacking and slashing. They hope that they've ended the White Fang raids and annoyances now, and that maybe they'll be useful allies in the future?
The alternative is their fear that they won't be able to track the White Fang werewolves down, that they won't catch very many and that much time will go by in the effort. Later on the White Fang bands will continue raids and attack some of them specifically in reprisal. That's the big stick that Freya has to use in negotiations, her only offensive card to play!
Freya had best hope that they believe a bluff that she has a strong host of fearsome werewolf warriors on hand, awaiting what will happen to their alpha! No reason to pretend that they are in a terribly weak position at the time. If the Kanov thought that they could hunt down the various little White Fang packs individually with them having little knowledge of what was going on, they'd probably be tempted to do just that! At least the White Fang DO have their grim reputation!
On one hand, the Kavov army can blunder about the large White Fang territory and try to find werewolves to kill--who will always avoid them. And can attack more farms at will... The campaign ending in failure, save for the death of the newly installed alpha, precious few werewolves that they can catch, and the destruction of the already semi-ruined Howling Keep. The weakness of the Kanov host is they can't move quickly, can't stay in the field indefinitely, and can't force a battle if the White Fang won't engage. The destruction of the Howling Keep is a fairly empty gesture, in itself.
On the other, they can at least go home claiming victory, with land concessions in hand, and promises given. Hopefully the White Fang going from a bane to an ally that the leader can call upon.
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kanyiko In reply to larqven [2013-06-03 22:02:15 +0000 UTC]
I'm answering this one on the 'dirty' comment.
Actually, I wasn't at all offended by any of the innuendo made, more disappointed by the removal of it all in the adjusted post! XD
FA is Fur Affinity, a site similar to, but unlike deviantArt, mainly focussed on 'furries'. It also has policies allowing mature and adult content, within certain limitations. I opened an account there years ago, but never did much with it - at one point I even completely purged it. Given its submission policies, I could upload some things there that I never could on deviantArt. <.<
Anyway (and I'm only answering to the saucy bits here, I'll give an answer to the clean bits on the other post), I can hardly see Freya submitting herself - sexually - to the Kanovs. Granted, she isn't a stranger to sex, and sex is seen as an important ritual and daily occurrence in the pack, but she still has her limits. She also still isn't very sure with what authority she is speaking, as she herself still doesn't really consider herself as the pack's Alpha - more as a spokeswoman speaking on behalf of the surviving pack members, and an 'observer' to the occurences which have recently happened within the pack.
That said, it is well possible that any limits she has would go overboard anyway - whether she wants it or not, as the pack's survival depends on it. Though any such move would most likely both stain and strain the relationship between the White Fang and the Kanov tribes - not that any such relationship previously existed, it has to be remembered.
The goings-on between Bog and the lowly Omega are most likely very different in nature, I would not be surprised that he would get his old 'half-Werewolf' lines out again. Of course, this time Pumori would be there to back Bog's claim, after all, he has said it before, right? (And Pumori could well be there, she isn't unaware about, and unfamiiar with certain... Werewolf rituals, after all, she is the daughter of her parents!
As time moves on, it is likely that the relationship between the White Fang and the Werewolves will thaw, to the point that such mixed relations might actually happen. Of course, I've previously mentioned Pumori isn't exactly ignorant on the subject of sex (to the point that Claw isn't her first lover), who knows, she might even take part in, erm... 'personal negociations' with the Kanov leaders... <.<
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larqven In reply to kanyiko [2013-06-04 02:34:08 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for the information about Fur Affinity, I've heard of it, but never been there.
I wish that I could edit posts! I did reword things to make things more clear, but didn't think I should subject everyone to a new wall of text with only substiting "Freya" for "Pumori". Particularly the "ha-ha-pee-sex-giggle!" stuff.
But yeah, I figured that ritual sex might be one negotiation tool to stopping the Kanov attack. The Kanov are encountering a werewolf woman holding another one's severed head. Freya doesn't have much to work with.
It was also an easy way to explain Bog and the Omega hooking up so quickly and easily. Although, I suppose it is possible that Bog stays behind as a "Kanov agent" or while Pumori rejoins her family and White Fang business is conducted. But is there any likely reason for Bog to return soon? Particularly as this business has got him in trouble with his Kanov friend and he's not going to be terribly well liked by Freya and Fergal despite taking care of Pumori. So I figured that this was a good opportunity.
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kanyiko In reply to larqven [2013-06-04 08:53:45 +0000 UTC]
Oh, I'm not saying Bog returns or stays behind as a "Werewolf", he merely uses the opportunity of his presence during the negociations to, erm... 'bag' himself a 'bitch'. Or two. XD
But you are right, Freya doesn't have particularly much to work with. True, she can offer them Hel's head and pelt, but everything else is up to her. She might hate the hours that are ahead of her... <.<
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kanyiko In reply to larqven [2013-06-04 20:48:52 +0000 UTC]
So am I, actually... <.<
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kanyiko In reply to larqven [2013-06-02 18:53:22 +0000 UTC]
I think Pumori's a bit young for such things... <.<
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larqven In reply to kanyiko [2013-06-03 00:37:18 +0000 UTC]
Pumori? Yeah, probably so...
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kanyiko In reply to larqven [2013-06-03 07:57:35 +0000 UTC]
I think you slipped, and accidentally said Pumori where you meant Freya. I mean, I hardly see Pumori 'serving' the Kanovs! o_o
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larqven In reply to kanyiko [2013-06-03 09:30:32 +0000 UTC]
Damn...You're right. Crap, this is where a mis-naming typo and innuendo creates a lot of trouble! Also, I was referring to Pumori's future generous dealings with the Kanov as being an outgrowth of negotiations with the Kanov by Freya now, but wasn't terribly clear about that either.
Anyway, here's a better version with the parties correctly named and most or all of the sex errata removed:
The best chance that Freya may have will be to essentially say, "You got us, we can't fight you with the wolves that I have on hand. You're angry, and have every reason to be! The previous alpha went mad because she wanted that cub dead! Her leadership has been challenged and here is her head! I am the new alpha...
You can take revenge on me if you'd like--but you'll never find my werewolf forces--and they can find you and your people later on! Some are watching you right now! But enough of that, I'll negotiate a settlement with you so as hopefully you'll leave satisfied and not have to face a White Fang attack again!"
Freya probably will have to give up a big chunk of territory, make various other gestures such as providing meat and timber cutting every year and, well, maybe give some fealty by offering werewolf services to the Kanov chieftain in charge.
Also, years later during Pumori's time as alpha, much of Pumori's later generous dealings might well stem from this encounter. It shouldn't be a problem as these Kanovs will also serve with the Dark Legion / Free Peoples. Freya and Pumori might well be acting as a vassal for the Kanov chieftain?
The Kanov might get to leave happy in the knowledge that they took the mighty White Fang by surprise, and forced a humiliating settlement out of them, even if it was bloodlessly done.
It's quite a pain to get a army rolling, and once formed, it HAS to do something! At least this way, the Kanov came and conquered even if it didn't require hacking and slashing. They hope that they've ended the White Fang raids and annoyances now, and that maybe they'll be useful allies in the future?
The alternative is their fear that they won't be able to track the White Fang werewolves down, that they won't catch very many and that much time will go by in the effort. Later on the White Fang bands will continue raids and attack some of them specifically in reprisal. That's the big stick that Freya has to use in negotiations, her only offensive card to play!
Freya had best hope that they believe a bluff that she has a strong host of fearsome werewolf warriors on hand, awaiting what will happen to their alpha! No reason to pretend that they are in a terribly weak position at the time. If the Kanov thought that they could hunt down the various little White Fang packs individually with them having little knowledge of what was going on, they'd probably be tempted to do just that! At least the White Fang DO have their grim reputation!
On one hand, the Kanov army can blunder about the large White Fang territory and try to find werewolves to kill--who will always avoid them. And can attack more farms at will... The campaign ending in failure, save for the death of the newly installed alpha, precious few werewolves that they can catch, and the destruction of the already semi-ruined Howling Keep. The weakness of the Kanov host is they can't move quickly, can't stay in the field indefinitely, and can't force a battle if the White Fang won't engage. The destruction of the Howling Keep is a fairly empty gesture, in itself.
On the other, they can at least go home claiming victory, with land concessions in hand, and promises given. Hopefully the White Fang going from a bane to an ally that the leader can call upon.
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kanyiko In reply to larqven [2013-06-03 23:33:07 +0000 UTC]
And here's the 'proper' answer.
Anyway, I think that while such a bluff might be something she could throw at the Kanovs, there are many things against it. First of all, without wanting to insult Freya - it's too complex for her! Freya's only a relatively simple Werewolf, who has never had to think in terms of long-term consequences, ruses or strategies; she's an old-fashioned carnivore who mainly thinks in the present, and in simple, easy to understand concepts. And secondly: even the Kanovs would instantly realise that it's a bluff. There are simply too many Werewolves lying dead on the Kanov grounds - not in the least thanks to Bog and his strategic defence of the farm - that such a claim would be wildly inaccurate, even for it to be stated!
As she doesn't consider herself to be the pack's Alpha yet - or does not yet understand that according to old pack laws, she has become the Alpha as she defeated the previous one - she doesn't feel like she is in a position to make any consessions to the Kanov in name of the White Fang - although she soon realises that she, in fact, has become a key figure in the negociations to both a peaceful end to the Kanov 'threat', but also - importantly! - the safe return of Pumori!! As such, her hand is, literally, forced, too much is resting on the decisions she takes in her negociations with the Kanovs.
Of course, the weight of these decisions will continue to weigh on the shoulders of Pumori after her. Because of that, the White Fang is put in a rather vulnerable position towards the Kanov, but luckily, it also means any real threats from the Kanovs disappear, and the pack can concentrate on recovering from the disastrous years under Hel...
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larqven In reply to kanyiko [2013-06-04 04:56:19 +0000 UTC]
Freya may not want it, but in going out to meet the Kanov threat, she's effectively becoming the alpha. Maybe some other pack leaders elsewhere might want it, but dealing with the Kanovs is a might deed that automatically gives her credibility. And, of course, she's both daughter of Hel, and Hel relentlessly killed all would be ambitious challengers, or even just competent leaders within the White Fang.
But, as the White Fang does control a large territory, I would expect that some warpacks are located at the periphery and interior, like the warpack Anko and Anyiko belonged to. If they were all brought together, and those surviving members of the raid was brought together as well, the numbers of werewolves ought to still be significant. Over half the fighting force should still exist (if they could just be brought together).
The Kanov have no good knowledge that the White Fang have suffered badly in recent years, in fact, based on their ever expanding territory, there is very good reason to believe that they have done very, very well! That was my expectations in hearing about the White Fang in Pumori's and Bog's travels before information about the White Fang's current state of affairs became more defined.
It is possible, even now, that Freya herself still doesn't understand how badly the White Fang has lost numbers. So while there is no possible way for the White Fang to fend off this Kanov army, even if they have hypothetical numbers based on reputation, by reputation, there theoretically could be well over a hundred werewolf warriors scattered in the woods, ready to cause mischeif should negotiations go sour and attacking the Kanov in the future. Sure, the attack on the farm was devastating, but it might still be thought of as a raid that just went terribly wrong, but not a terrible loss. (if the White Fang had the numbers that their reputation would suggest).
The greatest fear that the Kanov have is not that the werewolves will beat them, or even harry them, but that they cannot find the werewolves to engage in a decisive battle. That the werewolves will attack farms again after this army disbands.
This should not an unusual occurrance, logically, Hel has set the White Fang to attack farms and sometimes villages every winter, or even year-round, so as to grow their territory and get easy access to food stores for surviving the winter and spring. They also push other werewolves out of thier old hunting grounds as White Fang territory has expanded over the years? (Losing werewolves in attacks may well be a factor to why White Fang population is dropping, numbers--and hunters--are being lost in these attacks. The White Fang ought to have PLENTY of potential game.)
A treaty to stop this now, rather than attacking, killing several werewolves, but having the remainder continue attacks into the future might be a key to stopping the Kanov's from attacking?
Conversely, I'd have the fear that if the Kanov learned how weak the White Fang really are, they'd happily try to kill all of them off! This army might not have much success, but smaller bands of werewolf hunters might frequent the area to exterminate them if an aggressive bounty were put on them. Likewise, knowledge of their weakness might well cause other werewolf groups to come in attack? The White Fang has a well earned fearsome reputation, and essentially no friends! If outsiders knew the truth and looked beyond the White Fang's reputation, they'd probably attack immediately!
As bleak as it is, the grim reputation of being the fiercest and seemingly successful werewolf pack in the world, plus general ignorance of their actual status are pretty important strengths that Freya could call upon? Depredations of the White Fang on neighbors is common, after all. Outsiders won't realize that the Pack couldn't afford these attacks and has essentially been bled out?
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larqven In reply to kanyiko [2013-06-06 04:47:01 +0000 UTC]
It was indeed!
Shabazik had quite a story to fulfill--and he did so with confidence and great elegance!
Consider what had to be accomplished:
1. The Kanov have overwhelming military superiority and anger, yet they must be stopped. The White Fang continue into the future.
2. The leaders want glory and to put an end to the White Fang for song and profit. Going home with nothing is not an option.
3. The Kanov have the stated objective of at least destroying the Howling Keep, yet we know that it is better than ever in the future.
4. The head of Hel remains in the possession of the White Fang alphas.
5. Pumori returns to her parents, Fergal and Freya survive.
6. Freya is not made for begging or even fair diplomacy.
7. Bog will "make it" with Anyiko.
8. Despite untoward speculations of ritual sex, Shabazik probably wanted his tale kept "family friendly".
9. If possible, every character should act as themselves, within their own capabilities.
10. Oh, and this is a capstone to Pumori's story with Bog too, she must play some role it--but how?
In an army, individual parts become reduced, but the parly allowed Bog to step forward, and be the hero even in the end where it wasn't his fighting ability that was needed. He was lucky as he was able to bring Pumori home, and remain a third party without having to choose sides. Also, the opportunity for connection with Anyiko was made. The need for an interpreter was obvious, but I can't say that I thought of it!
Beyond Bog, Fergal and Anyiko kept the situation from turning into a blood bath! You have said that complex negotiation was not within Freya's grasp--and it was not. But Freya did manage to project the power of the White Fang very, very well--without making a single reference to numbers or time tables! While I can't say that I ever understood Hel or her inner voice--Freya did a great job maintaining the fearsome reputation of the White Fang even while, sort of, saying sorry.
Indeed, I could not believe how dismissive she seemed! The Kanov must have had some respect for the unseen power of the White Fang to tolerate her speech! Certainly Bog played a role with that, as did Fergal and Anyiko in moderating her position. They were not speaking with "one voice" perhaps, but a "good cop / bad cop" approach of a tough alpha with more reasonable lieutenants played an important role. Freya certainly did not "throw herself to the mercy of the court", or offer herself to submission in any way.
Fergal had to literally convince Freya that giving up those lands stolen by Hel was the right thing to turn away from Hel's crimes--not a desperate act of submission.
I honestly thought that the Kinslayer guy would be trouble. In truth, he was indispensible in making this possible. The "Bear" guy (sorry, I'm terrible with names) is the actual lord, but found himself not leading the negotiations. He wasn't terribly unreasonable, as he was willing to listen, but I fear that without Kinslayer and Bog, no negotiations would have happened?
Pumori coming forth, running forward, was the icing on the cake! I'm sure that she was much on their minds, but given the events, even the daughter and niece seemed to have been lost as a detail--but Pumori found her voice at the end of bleak events--the coming storm was broken and peace was made.
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kanyiko In reply to larqven [2013-06-08 11:59:56 +0000 UTC]
But of course, it also means the Bog Saga - or rather, Pumori's Bog Saga, has come to its natural conclusion...!! T_T
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kanyiko In reply to larqven [2013-06-11 06:41:25 +0000 UTC]
Thanks!
Yes, I guess you are right, this isn't the end, or even the beginning of the end, it's just... another chapter of the same story! XD
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Shabazik [2013-05-25 22:35:02 +0000 UTC]
Oh noes!
Will the Kanov parlay?
DUN DUN DUUUN!!!
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kanyiko In reply to Shabazik [2013-05-25 23:06:38 +0000 UTC]
I truly hope so, Freya's never felt so afraid (and never had such a tight rear) as she is right now!
And she's feeling a bit silly as well - the idea of standing in front of so many Kanovs without doing anything... >.<
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kanyiko [2013-05-25 17:50:16 +0000 UTC]
... are those four wise-cracking butt-jokes I read there...? >.<
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Walt-Marsters [2013-05-25 17:45:14 +0000 UTC]
No doubt, Freya will crack this problem with strength and diplomacy. She may even have to turn the other cheek this time! Butt, sacrifices, may have to be made in the name of peace and survival of the White Fang. On the whole, however, I think she will come to a fair compromise. Ass no doubt, everbody watching this picture, is hoping for.
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kanyiko In reply to Walt-Marsters [2013-05-25 17:51:05 +0000 UTC]
Are those four wise-cracking butt-jokes I read there...? >.<
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Walt-Marsters In reply to kanyiko [2013-05-25 18:10:46 +0000 UTC]
What? How? Where? No way! Moi?
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Walt-Marsters In reply to kanyiko [2013-05-25 18:56:05 +0000 UTC]
Well, I never! Such wild accusations! I'm much too shy for such naughtyness! How dare you, sir!
But I forgive you. Let's toast on this reconciliation: Bottoms up!
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kanyiko In reply to Walt-Marsters [2013-05-25 19:49:21 +0000 UTC]
... Now now, you're doing it again! >.<
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Walt-Marsters In reply to kanyiko [2013-05-25 20:05:13 +0000 UTC]
What? No, I'm not! You're way too suspicious. Must be a full moon out there tonight or something!
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Walt-Marsters In reply to kanyiko [2013-05-25 20:30:56 +0000 UTC]
From the bottom of my heart, I swear I don't know what you're talking about. But, in case I accidentally gave the wrong impression, I am sorry and lower my head in shame! Are my cheeks red!?
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kanyiko In reply to Walt-Marsters [2013-05-25 20:41:36 +0000 UTC]
... Freya's truly looking at me now with a face as if just stepped into something. She's finding those butt-jokes are becoming a real pain in the...!! >.<
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Walt-Marsters In reply to kanyiko [2013-05-25 20:54:46 +0000 UTC]
Jeez, and I'm on her side! I'm completely behind her! Anyway, I better keep my mouth shut now. I really don't want to be on her backside. Bad side! I meant bad side! (runs away, flailing arms in the air, looking for safe place to hide)
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kanyiko In reply to Walt-Marsters [2013-05-25 20:57:13 +0000 UTC]
(Translated from lower-Demonic Polforian)
#RAWR! You can run, little human, but you can't hide!#
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Walt-Marsters In reply to kanyiko [2013-05-26 04:58:49 +0000 UTC]
*peeks from behind big tree*
"Is the scary werewolf lady gone yet?"
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kanyiko In reply to Walt-Marsters [2013-05-26 12:09:15 +0000 UTC]
*rustling noise in foliage above*
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Walt-Marsters In reply to kanyiko [2013-05-26 13:12:42 +0000 UTC]
Oh Oh! This can't be good! Unless it's a sweet little squirl. Please let it be a squirl!
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Walt-Marsters In reply to kanyiko [2013-05-26 14:28:17 +0000 UTC]
oh noes!! It was just a joke! I swear! You have very nice buns!
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kanyiko In reply to Walt-Marsters [2013-05-26 14:29:48 +0000 UTC]
*Looks at Walt with an icey glare cold enough to freeze a pond over*
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Walt-Marsters In reply to kanyiko [2013-05-26 15:44:42 +0000 UTC]
*lowers head and tries to look very remorseful*
"I'm sorry, mrs Freya. I'll never do it again. Here, have some of my beef jerky as a peace offering. And I promise I'll never write bad things about werewolf behinds again!
And my OC will become your granddaughter's friend some day. And her lover, but that's complicated to explain. SO, you really can't kill me!"
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kanyiko In reply to Walt-Marsters [2013-05-26 15:46:16 +0000 UTC]
... you've done it again - you called her an old hag now! She isn't Pumori's grandmother, she's her aunt!! XD
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Walt-Marsters In reply to kanyiko [2013-05-26 15:50:25 +0000 UTC]
Really? But I thought...? Who is her grandmother then? O, right, Hell. So she's Fergal's sister.
No, she's no old hag! In fact, she's very beautiful when she's angry. wink wink. Rrrrr.
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