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internetfreak14 [2018-06-04 11:06:22 +0000 UTC]
(On mobile, so I can’t edit my comment...lol)
I’d also like to point out how much I find the concept of this “boxy, ‘clunky’ and noisy” robot side-by-side with this sleek, super advanced android. It’s just such a fascinating thing to me, and I can’t really explain why.
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kartoonfanatic In reply to internetfreak14 [2018-06-04 12:48:57 +0000 UTC]
*sobs longing on seeing all your comments feeling so loved*
I'm actually glad you put this on a separate comment because I wouldn't have seen what you added with the edit in notifications.
I'm obsessed with extreme opposites, even though they're cliche. >.< Blame my junior year English teachers who beat learning about dichotomies/opposites in our heads. I guess that's what I was going for with Crystal. I feel like at the root of what she is, she's very standard fan fiction fare--Robot dumping Shannon and a beautiful android walks in. Some people would write that up as a happily ever after right there, so I want to write her in a way where you don't know where she stands, is she good or bad? Even if Crowe is supposedly evil, is Crystal a reflection of that? And does her ability to have an independent mind let her be able to choose what she wants to be? IDK how well that's come across so far. ;.;
Another trope I wanted to emphasize is everybody seeing her as the ultimate girl stereotype, pretty and nothing else, but that's where the influence of the world she's in comes into play. She's seeing the abuse that robots are taking and, like Robot, she knows it's wrong, but for now there's nothing she can do about it. So everything she does comes out of deep calculation, and that attributes to Robot not being able to trust her right away.
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internetfreak14 In reply to kartoonfanatic [2018-06-06 02:35:45 +0000 UTC]
I love extreme opposites too. Has Crystal grown up closely with Crowe? Maybe some tips for writing her character or whatever (unless you already have her completely planned out) would be some ideas and whatnot that came from Crowe or something, so she somewhat is a "reflection" of her (heh...cause she's reflective).
Another extreme-opposite thing I've realized between Crystal and Robot is that even though they're completely different in design, Robot is more driven by emotion, ironically enough, despite his inhumanlike appearance, and Crystal is the opposite. If that's what you were going for, anyway. I find that interesting. Maybe Crystal should be creepily inhuman and uncanny in not only appearance, but behavior, but it seems like you're already going in that direction lol.
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kartoonfanatic In reply to internetfreak14 [2018-06-18 15:11:05 +0000 UTC]
Yes she has, actually, and I'm working on a chapter that sort of explains why Crystal in particular grew up so close to Crowe, when most people speculate she doesn't care a damn about any of her robots as living creatures. Don't have it totally planned out but a little. I will spoil it a little by saying Crystal's not a reflection of Crowe but a reflection of someone she cares deeply about.
(And yeah, gotta luv dat symbolizm.... though I don't wanna press it too hard or else it gets cheesy.)
Damn, girl, I think you gave the opposites of these two more thought than I did. But now that you mention it, it would be better if, for the most part, Crystal's emotions are reserved. I was going to make her more emotional as Robot gets to know her, but maybe I'll dial back on that. Especially because it would frustrate Robot to now have TWO love interests who won't show him their hearts.
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internetfreak14 In reply to kartoonfanatic [2018-06-18 16:06:27 +0000 UTC]
oooo so she's a reflection of someone else. I guess I'll have to wait and find out...
Oh, I didn't mean that Crystal was less emotional, but yeah, she appears like it because she reserves herself. And there you go, her being more reserved means Robot has even more frustrations lol
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internetfreak14 [2018-06-04 06:30:35 +0000 UTC]
Ohohohohhooo
I’m surprised Mom Unit didn’t react worse to Robot almost having the lights being beaten out of him. I almost thought the chapter was gonna end with him having to go home and be repaired or something.
I like the way you’ve written Crystal, but is she gonna continue to follow the crystal-clear design? Just curious.
That dance was fucking awwwwkwarrd. Also, I’m curious as to how Crystal will feel about RJ? Is she ever gonna feel some sort of affection for him?
It’s sooo nice and relieving to finally get back to RJ stuff again.
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kartoonfanatic In reply to internetfreak14 [2018-06-04 13:06:50 +0000 UTC]
If Mom unit wasn't in a really bad position right now (her son is the poster boy for human and robots living in harmony at a time when robots are really resentful of that notion), she probably would have done more than scare away the bullies with her presence as a parent of the kid who is about to get the tar beat out of him. But also, the robot kids know fighting with each other is a bit no-no outside of television, and they can't get caught ganging up on one of their own, so Mom unit really didn't have to do anything. She just had to stand there.
Poor Robot didn't do anything to deserve all of this except that he didn't refuse to go to school and complete this mission of getting to know humans that was assigned to him. He has such an interesting conflict. Even without seeing how Robot interacts with robots his own age, if you don't count Finkman who is pre-biased against him, I thought it would be more dramatic if it turns out Robot's only friends he can have ARE humans BECAUSE of what his mission is. That means that if Robot decides he can only date other robots from now on, he has a hard road ahead of him.
I think I will keep Crystal as a totally transparent thing, with high heels instead of spikes for feet. Do you have any other suggestions as far as other changes to how she looks? Because I'd love to hear them. owo
In the next chapter, it's going to get more into her side of the story and explain how being transparent makes her feel naked all the time and how she tries and copes with that by wearing human clothing. As far as how she feels about RJ, it's kind of complicated. She has to patronize him because he's so important to this company, but after a while, she starts to consider him her first every real friend, and like Robot, she's never been in a serious relationship, so that puts a romantic tension between them.
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internetfreak14 In reply to kartoonfanatic [2018-06-06 02:42:41 +0000 UTC]
Then by that logic, would the teen robots have stopped anyway without Mom Unit's presence? Hm.
The shit Robot goes through, Jesus. I see this trope a lot, but I do like it - being an enemy, or something akin to it, even to your own kind, and it makes a lot of sense because it's realistic and believable. I hate the black and white mentality, where everything is 1-dimensional. The real world does NOT work that way, and although I realize you're not writing based on a realistic atmosphere (and Jesus who even cares if you aren't, I mean a good story needs SOME realism), it's still something I admire about your stories. They go really deep, but still stick to the show. Yes, you've taken some liberties, but you're staying in line with the actual canon of the show. That's cool.
Seeing what you're doing with Crystal now, and all of the conflicts you've come up with her internally, it'd probably be best to keep her transparent. But if you DID make her machinery visible inside, the "feeling naked" problem could still work quite a bit, especially if people are staring at all of the machinery working inside of you. That's pretty fucking creepy.
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kartoonfanatic In reply to internetfreak14 [2018-06-19 11:35:51 +0000 UTC]
I see you found the hole in my logic.
Let's say that they would go through with it anyway since Robot could claim it was them who beat him up, but because most of the robots are on those kids side, they'd pretend not to believe him, and they wouldn't get in trouble unless they were caught doing it by someone who cares (in this case, Robot's mother).
>Forgetting for a moment that there are probably cameras in the factory all over, but let's say it was also in a blindspot.
That's just another thing that kills me about the lack of existing episodes. I could easily see anybody who sits through all the episodes trying to tell me that the world Robot resides in really IS black and white, where any kind of robots that seem sentient are against humans and treat robot as a brother, and this will contribute to Robot's ability to rally them against the humans to go to war. But if you think about Finkman's motivation to put Robot alone seeming just a tad personal, on top of whatever his actual mission is, than that just isn't the case. Robots in this universe feel naturally competitive. Hell, even Robot mentions a code that says that they're not allowed to fight, and it's tied in with superiority--meaning that there is an existing problem in this world of robots butting heads with each other. I would have to guess it's robots of different companies that are getting mad and fighting with each other, and that works because if you think, so far, Robot only gets along with robots from his own company (that's what gave me the idea for there to be a merger where it pisses off robots due to their company pride). Grampz shares this closeness with Robot about robots banding together, but it's easy to tell ROBOT this because they are family, predecessor and successor. Grampz might not even be aware of how the outside world regarding machine comradery (spellcheck doesn't think that's a word for some reason) has gotten that bad as robots have (probably) become far more commonplace than they were back in the day. If Robot really WAS going to try and rally the robots to rage war against the humans, even in the canon universe, I believe he's got one hell of an uphill battle.
And as far as Robot being hated by robots of his own company, I just thought it would be this terrible irony that because of his mission, he's looked down upon by teenage robots as well as humans, but for a different reason (this could explain why his ONLY friends are humans, despite this alleged pride he has for his own kind). The JNZ teen robots don't trust one of their own getting so close to humans (one of their enemies), and seeing robot seemingly support the merger with another one of their enemies (enemy robots) sent them over the edge to gang up on him like that. And that hits him pretty bad right when he's considering looking at female robots to fill the romantic void in his life, now that he's given up on Shannon.
adhahadkdjkdfjdkfd dankies. I'm trying my best. I love that you're going for adapting the concept to a more realistic setting while I stick to the cartoony trope universe. (Not gonna lie though, there are a few lines in this story that I put in only because they felt like something that would be said in the show, like, "My grandmother is a lie detector, so I think I know a liar when I see one." BLECH. Terrible. Gonna avoid that from now on.)
You have a good point about Crystal feeling more naked if she had insides to expose. I just think it would be a bitch to draw her like that all the time. Plus, I recently thought that what if one of the reveals about her is that when her supposedly unbreakable skin is broken, it exposes her insides for the first time, like some sort of magic cloak (which will come to make sense when describing how Robot's son Robbie is able to cloak himself to be invisible in the future.)
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internetfreak14 In reply to kartoonfanatic [2018-06-19 14:04:13 +0000 UTC]
Sounds reasonable, lol
I think that episode Jealousy alone shows that the RJ verse is NOT black and white. That, and Nutz didn't care too much for Robot until he fucked everything up, then he was calling him a brat and shit. So clearly not every robot likes Robot.
You put that together really well. Come to think of it, even in the show and outside your fic, Robot is shown as a misfit in the robotic sense as well, because he has a horrible time trying to follow those bullshit robot rules from "Rules of Dating" and "Jealousy".
LMAO it's okay to add lines like that. Remember RJ said one of his relatives was a "Monkey Kong Jr. machine" in Electric Boogaloo (not gonna lie that line makes me laugh). Those lines aren't meant to be taken seriously, as far as I'm concerned. They're just there for the comedy.
OOO I LIKE THAT
Her insides breaking THEN exposing the circuitry? And shit, if it explains Robbie's ability to cloak himself, then hell yeah.
I'm gonna go ahead and throw this out there, but I can really see a lot of family-oriented scenes from the Incredibles movie fitting either my or your fic. God, I love that movie.
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kartoonfanatic In reply to internetfreak14 [2018-06-21 13:09:34 +0000 UTC]
Egh, Nutz is another character I'm not too keen on. I like him existing for the purpose of showing us what an adult robot who isn't like Robot's parents is like in this universe, but other than that, he's just another dude I gotta figure into how robots are ranked at this factory... I thought maybe we could say he's the plant-manager's right hand man, but of course Crowe's gonna fuck that up because she doesn't care.
Oooo, you raised a really good point with the Rules of Robotics. Robot really cannot adhere to the rules (guess that's the logic his friends use when calling him a rebel in Garage Band?) Maybe he'll use that as a point to contest why the rules are not good/should be changed.
Will keep that in mind. When I wrote for this show I find it more fun to think of trademark-free names that are obviously referring to something that IS trademarked but not advertising it directly. (I'm just realizing I don't know the difference between a copyright and a trademark or if I've even been using those correctly). Monkey Kong Jr. is one of the better examples from this show, the 'Wonder Cube's name is probably the worst, just because I think they could have come up with a weirder/more interesting name for it.
Yeah, I just got back to you on this in another comment, so I'm glad you liked the idea. That makes it sort of OK to make her circuitry invisible at this point. And there's a funny short fanfic I wanted to do concerning Robbie's invisibility that I haven't done yet, but it's been on my to-do-list...
Wait, are you talking about the original Incredibles or the 2nd one? I still need to see the 2nd, I don't care how underwhelming people are accusing it of being, I'm still pretty set on seeing it because I'm a big Incredibles/Brad Bird fan Air Conditioner. In general with the idea of the Incredibles, it's actually an honor that you think those scenes would fit into my fanfic as well as yours. If you're pulling inspiration from somewhere like that, it's no wonder your family scenes with Ryan and the kids is so guud. >.<
I loved the dynamic of the family in the 1st one as well. I wish Pixar would do more writing with regular humans...
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internetfreak14 In reply to kartoonfanatic [2018-06-25 10:26:02 +0000 UTC]
I actually revamped Nutz for my adult RJ fic thingy, and he does work at JNZ or used to but he’s also part of that CAIN organization. Oh photo I got a lot of shit and political references to poke at with that arc. Only problem is finding a way he could be part of my story taking place in Robot’s childhood.
I think Nutz could have been the right-hand man UNTIL Crowe came and fucked everything up.
Yeees
Lol I just personally don’t worry about the trademarking when I write since mine is more realistic to begin with and fuck trademarking anyway. But with the direction you’re going in it’s perfectly fine and I couldn’t care less.
Yeah, if I’m honest “Wonder Cube” makes me cringe. Sorry Greggo. They could’ve made up another funky last name for it.
OOO I would like to seee but take yer time
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kartoonfanatic In reply to internetfreak14 [2018-06-25 12:17:07 +0000 UTC]
Ooo, sounds nice. Well, supposing Robot would work for him, the dynamic might be the same, except they're both on the side of protecting robots as opposed to whatever shady shit he wad going with them, offering them up for scrap, IDK.
Oh God, this gives me a great idea of some interaction with Crowe and Nutz.
Eh, I just do it for fun.
And you know what's really annoying? They ALREADY HAD ANOTHER NAME FOR THAT CUBE: CUBIX THE AMAZING RUBE. The play on the name of the TV show about the Rubix cube. As you know, toys from the 80's usually came out with a TV show with a matching name. All they had to do was pretend in this universe that Cubix was the name of the cube, and it had a matching TV show. In real life, they referred to it as a Rubix Cube in the TV show too. I don't know why they needed two different names. It's like if He-man was his name on the show and the toys were called "Dude-Mann" or something. (Maybe I can chalk this one up to last minute edits in writing that didn't go well, since I think these early episodes were done with 5 guys at the CN studio who got like 2 hours of sleep at night, but why the extra work?)
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internetfreak14 In reply to kartoonfanatic [2018-06-25 23:48:20 +0000 UTC]
OHOHOHO
OH YEAH Cubix the Rube. That would've worked perfectly fine. I can really see the studio with the guys working on RJ being like that, though, just a few guys not getting enough sleep and working as they go, but of course still caring. Maybe? I dunno, I dunno much in general.
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kartoonfanatic In reply to internetfreak14 [2018-06-26 00:34:10 +0000 UTC]
I dunno anything either. xP
They never said how bad the workload was for the first handful of episodes but based on Greg saying the first few episodes were like an indie production that just happened to be in a professional studio, which sounds like a FUCKTON of work. Especially if the staff looked as scarce as it appeared to be from the credits.
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BigZmofo1996 [2018-04-01 05:12:49 +0000 UTC]
I can smell the corporate bullshit a mile off.
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