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KarutoDeyara β oh Vietnam....
Published: 2009-03-08 05:18:05 +0000 UTC; Views: 2659; Favourites: 25; Downloads: 16
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I always find myself stuck in the middle of this stupid war. While my family is part of the old government (the republic of Vietnam), many of my friends who live in Vietnam believe in the communist government.oh Vietnam, when can we find peace.... TT^TT
APH should seriously have at least a strip about this because I think this is ridiculous.
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most people who are still arguing about the war and the whole " communist and republic " belong to the older generation who simply cant not let go of the past .while on the other hand , the young generation of Vietnameses born in either the US or Vietnam don't really care about it ,and are much more open to each other .that is a positive sign for the relationship between the two, promising a future of understanding and cooperation . However , it also depended on what the younger generation are taught and from what perspective on both side of the fence .so there's bound to be tension in disagreement in ideals , beliefs ,...etc. Though really sad , its simply fact
Even though i'm quite interested in this matter , i dont think Β this is the right place for such sensitive matters , and i truly feel pity for and annoyed at people who takes advantage of such matters along with the freedom of the internet to spread their ideas in often a rather bashful ,impolite and insensitive way , especially on this type of websites ( for examples, you've already seen the comments below me )
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people tends to forget that this is not a forum. this is deviantart ,designed to be a community where people can celebrate arts. Though
im not saying that you should not say the truth of how you feel , its important to choose the appropriate one based on the topic and context of the situation ,(and if able to , constructive truth like , review on art works and such).It should be the thing that people should focus more about , instead of bickering with each other about a thing that should have been left behind in the past.
p.s and for people that thinks im a retard for saying such things because im a new member and i have no works in my gallery .This is my second account created for this particular situation .My first one is fully dedicated to art.
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I know it's kinda late but yes I totally agree with you ;_____;
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who says it is? Read my fucking artist comment, retard.
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Well it certainly isn't informative i'll give it that. And also this metaphor isn't supposed to be taken as a joke, if you've actually studied about Vietnam unlike the majority of you Hetalitards out there, some serious and brutal shit happened between the opposing countries.
And thank you for calling me something i'm apparently not dumbshit wee-a-boo.
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I was born and grew up in Vietnam so all my childhood, up to when I was 16 I studied about the war then spent my whole high school years and first 2 years of college in America to study about it again just to see the 2 different perspectives about the war. My family has been the victim of the war for all my life. All of my uncles were in jail after the war for serving under the old government. 2 of them died in jail, another died trying to escape. My dad lost his right leg and right eye in the war. I visited almost all the museums of war in Vietnam, seen all the brutal and gory stuff about the war so I know how nasty and sad it was. But listen you fucktard, I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE FUCKING WAR ITSELF. I was crying for Vietnam who's been torn in half even years after the war. Every fucking time a Vietnamese American wanted to go back to Vietnam and do something, anything such as open a business, create more jobs in his/her homeland, Vietnamese in America start to name tag her/him all the nasty things they could think of. Then the communist government took advantage on that and put out rumor that a bunch of famous Vietnamese Americans are communist and watched them fight among each other. Will this grudge go on forever? Maybe. But will Vietnam ever be able to heal? I doubt it. Because people are unable to let go and move on. Because the pain has blinded their eyes. Because they do not have enough strength to stand together with their once enemy and rebuild their mother land. Because they are so stubborn to see that if they can let go, maybe one day their tolerance will win the heart of Vietnamese in Vietnam and then, they will be able to take Vietnam back by heart.
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should have known you're a troll. 
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Should've known your a patriotic gook.
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there's nothing wrong about it.
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Suuurre there isn't..
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Perfect pic!!!
The war 've been over for more than 30years...but their mind always still "in the battle" with each other!
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Just to be truth,I think most of the Vietnamese people took part in the war want to said something about it now.The only one who got a problem with the gorvement actually come from outside the country,from the people who got out of VN before 30/4/75, to avoid a "bloodbath" which was never exist xD(even the "boat people" still love the country,they left because they just can't live with a field full of Agent Orange and bomb xD).
And to be honest,what is wrong of being a communist???? What wrong if you want to live under the red flag???
Ya know,in the game Modern Warfare,Cpt.Price said this:"History belong to the victor".So if you don't win,please don't try to change the history xD
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I don't like the communist government.
But maybe I'm biased 'cause my family also believes in the old government.
Well, good job
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yes, I hope there would be a peace solution for ours and next generations
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I just visit to say thanks to you because you've stood in the middle of this war. Actually we don't know what really happened in the past between the Republic and the Communist of Vietnam, what I've learned is complied by our recent Government, and what you've listened is just the one-way opinion of your family.
I hope there would be a peace solution for ours and next generations. : (
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Well those republic kick Bao Dai out of the country, submit the 10/59 law "put all commies out of the law" and begin public hunting and execution xD.That's pretty much the reason of the war xD
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this is not Hetalia.
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ohhhh....
sorry for the confusion.
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I love this, we are talking about things like this in my vietnamese american studies class
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I don't see how this is ridiculous, especially when you think about the war.
I think they should just split into two countries, like Korea did.
Red and gold stripes~
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It was 30 years ago already! Do Japan and America still hate each other because of WW2? I think this is ridiculous because people can never let go and move on. They can't destroy one another simply by hating and talking shit about the other and neither will have their future. If they both love Vietnam so much that they fight each other, why don't they just put away their hatress for each other and get together to build up a better, brighter Vietnam for the next generation?
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The Japanese are still pissed about the bombing. If you go to Japan and learn about it, there are still some biases. That aside, America is not that angry with Japan for the most part (there ARE still people that hate the Japanese for Pearl Harbor) because it was AMERICA'S fault the Japanese bombed. Not only were the Americans at fault, they knew the attack was going to happen but did nothing about it. So, obviously most Americans aren't going to say anything because America was at fault.
Not to mention that that is something between two different countries. America does not have to live with the Japanese way of running things, and the Japanese don't have to live with the American ideals. Vietnam is one country with two radically different points-of-views trying to live under one controversial government.
I'm not talking about hating, either, but a way to live. North Vietnam is a disagreeable way to live in my opinion and the opinion of Vietnamese Southerners, and the North obviously disagrees with the South. How can you love a country that kills off people because of their race or their beliefs? The fact that Southern Vietnamese can't hold up the yellow-and-red striped flag means that there is suppression from the North and this new government. Not fighting for their rights is like letting the North win.
Should Americans have let black people continue to be enslaved? No! If no one did anything, black people would still be slaves. Same with other races that are not slaves, like the Irish in Europe who had it even worse than African Americans. And women today are still suppressed. Of course, looking at the Middle East, that's obvious, but even in America women are generally seen as lower than men. They don't have as many job opportunities and get paid lower most of the time even if they have the same or higher position than men. Women couldn't vote even when slaves were free. Should women have stood by and not fought for it because it's always been like that? Or because it happened to be like that at the time? It has nothing to do with hating the country itself or the people, but fighting for rights we deserve.
It doesn't matter if it's five years, thirty years, or a hundred years ago. People should continue to fight for their freedom and rights.
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Are you a Vietnamese who has to experiment this kind of life? They do not fight their freedom and rights, they don't, they simply insult one another. I like your example with black people in America. That is right, if no one has fought for them, it would be a great chance they would still be slaves now. And before Martin Luther King, did black and white people hate each other? Did they insult one another? It's not even a question. Same in Vietnam, don't you think? We close ourselves in our own cage, talking shit about the other all we want but no one actually have the gut to step out of that cage and fight, and say, "lets end this war!" If they don't fight and get over it with, it will never be over, we will still be slaves to the others' mind, slave to our own past. And that is what I'm trying to say, "it's useless to just stand in one place, giving up your life hating something/someone instead of fight against it", and one of the best ways to fight this war is to settle peace between our own.
I hope you watched the news when Obama asked Putin "it's time to end the coldwar"
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I happen to be Vietnamese in America. My grandmother grew up there and my mother was born there (they had to move because North Vietnam would kill her for being half white). And America fought heavily in the Vietnam war, so even if we don't experience the Vietnamese way of living all the time, day-to-day, we are still involved in this battle.
Not to mention that you can stretch this to any part of the world. It isn't just Vietnam that has or has had these sorts of issues.
I'm not saying it's right for them to insult each other. Name-calling and insults don't solve anything.
The war is not going to end until all have free rights. Without the right to raise your own flag with pride, you are not free. Yes, someone else may insult you for choosing that way of life, but if the government is not shooting you for it, then it is the freedom that's attainable today. If you're not considered a traitor for such a way of life, that is the freedom attainable today.
You're missing the point with my example of black people being slaves. Yes, of course, they insulted each other. But if you think of it this way, it makes sense: Slave America is like North Vietnam, free America is like South Vietnam. Slave America had power over other human beings and killed them for being "traitors." Free America, though people fight and insult (which will not stop anywhere in the world), are not allowed to kill each other. There are still racist people, but if they went and killed someone of the race they hate, it would be illegal and they would be jailed.
It is not a matter of stopping insults. Martin Luther King, Jr. never stopped insults (though he did not himself insult people, as far as I know), he started peaceful marches and inspired others to stop this nonsense of racist Americans. You know what happened to people that were on his side and participated in such marches? They were murdered. Know what happened to Martin Luther King, Jr. for standing up? He was shot. Murdered. That is not a free country and that is what is going on in Vietnam. It may not be obvious day-to-day, but that's what happens. It's just like when any government "silences" someone apposing their power.
If Vietnam had a Martin Luther King, Jr., he would definitely not be insulting others. He would step forward and appose the government with peaceful protests. But this is not allowing North and South to combine. This would be South peacefully fighting the war against the North.
If people only know to insult each other, then that's what's going to happen. Have you ever stepped forward and reasoned logically with these people you know insulting the other side? Have you ever said, "Insulting them isn't going to fix the problem?" By just drawing pictures and saying, "This is ridiculous," you're doing exactly what they're doing.
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Just one simple question, do you think Vietnam republic's going to take back Vietnam by simply write insulting articles about Vietnamese communist government here, in America? True Martin Luther King, Jr. and his supporters were murdered, but they brought peace to America. All wars have need their sacrifice, all I see right now is the Vietnam republicans are cowardly hide behind their bars. How exactly do you think they fight for their right? A thousand words don't mean anything if you don't take action. Did you see what happened to us here right now in the U.S? We fight among each other! This is exactly like what happened during the Cold War. The paper wrote bullshit articles pointing whoever communist and watch we fight each other, and the hate and doubt start to grow and grow within ourselves. You see how it has done to us?
This is not the war between the South and the North anymore. Face it, we lost Vietnam and there's no way we could take her back with this Cold War. Indeed we will have to continue to fight, but our tactics has gone wrong for a long long time ago. Do you think our next generation will be proud to know we brothers and sisters fight against each other? For what? For freedom? I highly doubt it. Does, "HE IS COMMUNIST!" or "HE IS A REPUBLICAN" solve anything? Every war has a goal. I see no goal, no future in this war as we go nowhere but stand still in this foreign country, fighting among ourselves. That is sad but I must say, I don't know if the Vietnamese communist has anything to do with this, but sooner or later, if this doubt continues to grow, we will lead ourselves to destruction. Wait for the wake up call!
Remember what we are fighting for. Our mother land, our people's trust. We have our advantage that the other side has treated innocent people badly under their government. Picture this, do you think they will listen to you, a faceless foreigner who has never spoken up and fight for them but for yourself or do you think they will listen to you, a tolerant and brave person who helps and bring them hope for a better future, despair the fact that they are under someone who you hate very much? Will you save Vietnam by help building her a better place even though you have to make a handshake and stand side by side with your enemies. The true power comes from the people, if you can have their trust, you have your war.
And now I can't even have my freedom to speak up my opinion through my pictures? Take a closer look, my friend, I do not take any side in this stupid war because I'm against it. I'm not insulting any side but this war in general. But at least I has spoken up, at least I do not grow doubt against ourselves, at least I'm proud I am one who still has my mind opened, one of the few who wanted to stop this pointless war. And who am I? Nobody. They are the one who has the power to change things, not me. I'm an outsider now, and they say outsiders have a clearer view because they're fair to either side. But listen to me or not, it's all your choice. You said what I am doing is wrong and pointless, and at the same time, you said what I am doing is exactly what they are doing, and you support them. Do you even realize it means you're supporting a wrong and pointless war?
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well,even if somecall me a "communist lover",I still like your way of thinking xD
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I never said that Vietnam's republic, or anyone, could take back Vietnam, or anything, by writing insults. If you are implying I am writing insults, you are mistaken. I'm trying to share with you some views and get down to the core of the matter.
Perhaps this is a misunderstanding on both our parts. I never said anyone should insult the other, which I believe I've stated previously, and I don't think sitting around grumbling about the other side will help at all. If both sides could sit down and have a civilised chat with each other to solve this problem, that would be amazing.
"despair the fact that they are under someone who you hate very much"
I don't understand why you keep using the word "hate." I don't hate them, I disagree with them. I hate their policies, perhaps, but I don't hate them. I hate things they've done, but I don't hate them.
You can't stand side-by-side with someone who directly opposes what you believe when you are fighting for what they directly oppose. You could if you both agreed on something else. If that something else could be, let's say, to separate North and South into different countries, that's manageable side-by-side. As it is, North invaded South, won, and doesn't seem to have any desire to split into different countries nor allow people to even discuss being for something other than their new government.
"And now I can't even have my freedom to speak up my opinion through my pictures?"
I don't think I explained myself properly. You have every right to speak your mind through your pictures and words. What I meant was saying it all is "ridiculous" is just as name-calling as when one side insults the other. You are just a third side in this war.--Yes, you are taking a side whether you like to think of it that way or not. Of course, it's not as crude as other forms of name-calling, but it's still an insult.
"You said what I am doing is wrong and pointless, and at the same time..."
Again, you put words in my mouth. I never said you were wrong nor have I stated this was pointless. I don't really believe in a definable right or wrong. Please, stop saying I'm saying things that I'm not!
"you said what I am doing is exactly what they are doing, and you support them. Do you even realize it means you're supporting a wrong and pointless war?"
I said your calling it all "ridiculous" is doing what they're doing. And we all do this. I know I do this. And I'm not saying I'm any different either.
As for a "wrong and pointless war," this is subject to opinion.
I don't support insults, as I've stated many times, and I don't support fighting a bloody war. If a cold war is necessary, I would much prefer that, as a cold war involves talking rather than murdering. That aside, what I do support is doing what we're doing right now: Discussing the issue at had. What I would want is both sides to discuss how they can both live together peacefully. I won't pretend I have the ability or brain power, however, to come up with a peaceful method to get both sides listening and discussing objectively.
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Oh, and let's put it this way: The North wanted to cut up babies that were half-Vietnamese, half-white. Yeah. Real nice people.
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similar things happen in my family
I guess KarutoDeyara, you are the one in the middle, what do think about the flag? how should it be?
you drew a great, great concept there though
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Yeah. My dad once told me a whole 3 hour lecture on why VN has two flags just because in the annually VN festival i went to, the people in charge of the festival put up the "old" flags instead of the star one, I asked why they did that, and sumehow that triggered the depths of hell for me
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Yes!
North and South Vietnam, there is no peace between those two. Don't let Fall of Saigon fool you. u_u
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Oh dear... D= Well I know Britain isn't communist but some of my mum's family are British Nationalist Partyists. >.< So they think all foreigners are scum, Britain is the worst place in the world right now... we need to boot out people who've come here legally... And what's more, they're fascist. And well, my dad and I tend to support Liberals.... you know?
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wow, it happens in Britain, too? That sounds awful. >_< Well, we're sharing the same experience, then.
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Oh my...I didn't know that there was such a issue like this over in Vietnam...what an awful strain for your family to go through.
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well, they're both choose to live in anger hating the other side.... :shakes head:
Thanks for the comment.
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Awww...that's no good. >.< Sounds like my family.*the british are so stiff lipped*
You're most welcome.
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