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KateIndeed In reply to HanneDobermann [2011-05-16 18:18:23 +0000 UTC]

Yep, unfortunately it looks like they never finished posting either of her ears - one stands well but still leans inwards a bit, the other has a pocket that makes it flop. It's sad, because it really is a lovely crop.

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HanneDobermann In reply to KateIndeed [2011-05-17 01:20:24 +0000 UTC]

Aww thats too bad. I had a dobe that i used to run with and one ear flopped because his owner said that it got infected and forgot to re post it

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KateIndeed In reply to GoldieRetriever [2011-05-15 17:44:22 +0000 UTC]

I didn't do it, but honestly was your comment necessary?

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GoldieRetriever In reply to KateIndeed [2011-05-15 17:52:17 +0000 UTC]

yes I hope we can finally stop this disaster.

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HanneDobermann In reply to GoldieRetriever [2011-05-16 13:45:59 +0000 UTC]

Its not a disaster actually, its breed standard.

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GoldieRetriever In reply to HanneDobermann [2011-05-16 14:43:35 +0000 UTC]

breed standrt = humans dullness

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HanneDobermann In reply to GoldieRetriever [2011-05-17 01:23:16 +0000 UTC]

Uh. Its really nothing to get upset over to be honest. A dobe just doesnt look like a dobie without cropped ears, otherwise they just look like a hound. Though it works on some of them.

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GoldieRetriever In reply to HanneDobermann [2011-05-17 14:36:54 +0000 UTC]

a dobie is a dobie. with or without ears. docking is not natural.

there is strong evidence that this is the case. The puppy has a fully developed nervous system and a well-developed sense of pain. While the puppy cannot tell us that it is in pain, many biological markers show that pain is occurring.

If you are a dog's friend, do not buy puppies without tail or ears, please.

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HanneDobermann In reply to GoldieRetriever [2011-05-17 20:44:55 +0000 UTC]

Okay, well if they are put under, well then all is good. And I WILL adopt a dobie with already done ears and tail.

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KateIndeed In reply to GoldieRetriever [2011-05-15 18:46:01 +0000 UTC]

So yes, in other words, it was unnecessary. Do you ever wish to circumsize your son? Did he/will he give you permission to do it? Same thing. It's a person's preference. We have an uncropped doberman, but I don't for a second wish that we didn't have the choice.

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GoldieRetriever In reply to KateIndeed [2011-05-15 19:54:47 +0000 UTC]

I dont have a child. but you are right its the same shameless prozess.

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KateIndeed In reply to GoldieRetriever [2011-05-15 21:45:40 +0000 UTC]

It was a hypothetical situation.. but regardless. As long as people needlessly circumcise their children, I don't see why people who crop their dogs should be seen any differently.

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GoldieRetriever In reply to KateIndeed [2011-05-16 14:53:47 +0000 UTC]

it's illegal in germany. And I am proud of this rule. Other cultures have other religions.
But dogs cant "speak" when people cut their tail.

Dogs don’t need ear cropping. There isn't a norm that dictates that certain breeds require ear cropping. Even if show dogs may score higher if they have cropped ears, the procedure is painful and it is not necessary.

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KateIndeed In reply to Gar-a-ash [2011-05-15 06:36:53 +0000 UTC]

They're a lot of work! This one stayed with us for a day; she was a typical Doberman, sweet, challenging and absolutely fun. I would have kept her, most likely, if she didn't chase cats. That's the hardest habit to break in a Doberman.. has to be taught from puppyhood, cat tolerance.

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Gar-a-ash In reply to KateIndeed [2011-05-15 15:27:04 +0000 UTC]

Good thing I live in a house full of 'em, eh? I've always loved Dobermans, but I've realized that getting one right off would be a stupid thing to do. I'm getting ready to go to college, there's no eed to get one now when I won't have the time for it. But I will get one eventually. I have a few breeders on my mailing list.

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KateIndeed In reply to Gar-a-ash [2011-05-15 17:45:49 +0000 UTC]

hahaha, I'm in college as well.. I don't have my own Doberman yet, though maybe in the distant future. They're a breed that takes a lot of money and attention, so I figured it'd be best to wait until after I'm done with school and have a ton of money.

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Gar-a-ash In reply to KateIndeed [2011-05-20 20:56:30 +0000 UTC]

I might get one during college, since I live so close to it. But I'll have to see what life hands to me. My grandfather is dead-set against them. He think's they're killer dogs. I keep trying to tell him they're like hyper Labs, but he doesn't want to listen.

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KateIndeed In reply to Gar-a-ash [2011-05-21 03:55:09 +0000 UTC]

Try and get him to go to a dog show with you, and let him meet a few of the dogs. A lot of people are biased that way and won't change their mind even with proof in front of their face. There are also a lot of Dobermans who are service dogs and have their CGCs - try and find one near you to introduce him to. That's about all I can recommend.. I'm lucky in that my dad grew up with a pack of Dobermans, so I never had that issue.

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Gar-a-ash In reply to KateIndeed [2011-05-21 04:00:35 +0000 UTC]

Unfortunately, I live out in the middle of nowhere. I literally have to drive forty miles to find somewhere to shop that isn't a Wal-mart. Speaking of which, the nearest one of those is ten miles away. I don't think they hold dog shows within two hundred miles of where we live, sadly. But he'll find out just how sweet they are when I finally bring one home.

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KateIndeed In reply to Gar-a-ash [2011-05-22 07:26:16 +0000 UTC]

Hey, just make sure you know he'll actually keep it.. Or you have an alternative place to live should he decide the dog's not worth his time. Dogs are a lifetime commitment. I'm sure you'll love your pup when the time comes, though. I miss my pup.

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Gar-a-ash In reply to KateIndeed [2011-05-22 15:36:30 +0000 UTC]

Oh no, it'll be mine, I'll just bring it up to their camp on the lake to visit. Our Rotties love swimming, and it took a while for him to finally admit they're not bad. I don't live with him, but he does live close by where I visit him every day.

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KateIndeed In reply to Gar-a-ash [2011-05-23 21:20:46 +0000 UTC]

Ah! I'm sure he'll come around. Dobermans are definitely a breed all of their own - you never really look at another breed the same way once you have one. They're a lot of work, but so worth it.

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Gar-a-ash In reply to KateIndeed [2011-06-10 22:01:23 +0000 UTC]

All dogs are, in my opnion. Brothers, on the other hand..... Not so much.

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