stevie3 [2017-06-24 00:58:08 +0000 UTC]
"AAAAAAAAAAnd now for a shitty little post I’ve been wanting to do for a LONG time. Ash vs. Red. Seriously, I see the whole “Ash sucks! Red it teh greatest!” thing too much on the internet and I’m way past tired of it, so here I am to give my thoughts. I’ll mostly be referring to game Red, but I’ll also be using Origins and Special Red a bit. I’m only at the beginning of the Emerald Arc in the manga, and it’s been a while since I’ve read it, so I’ll try not to spend too much time on it. Also, spoilers
The Anime should be replaced!
No. Unlike the main anime, Special has a lot of continuity, which means if it got turned into an anime, either A. They start from the beginning which would be stupid and pointless as it’s not advertising the new stuff. or B. They start with the most recent gen and skip out over 19 years worth of material. Either way, nothing good comes from it in the long run.
The Manga is SO Awesome! The Anime Sucks!
Kinda like how I’ve seen a lot of anime haters try to shut down XY/Z praise with “it’s only good by pokemon standards. It’s mediocre at best compared to everything else.”, the same can honestly be applied to Special. Outside of the Ruby and Sapphire Arc, which I absolutely loved, it’s honestly nothing all that special, especially when compared to other, competent, shonen. I mean sure it’s a fun manga, and a good alternative to the anime, but that’s all it is. Hell, GSC and FRLG are just downright stupid. GSC spends all that time hyping up Ice Mask only for it to be Pryce trying to bring back a pokemon he got kilIed because I admittedly can’t remember why. So you mean to tell me that you ran an entire criminal organization from the shadows, kidnapped children, trained them to be child soldiers while potentially scaring them for life, and killed (or at least attempted to kill) people all so you could find a Celebi so you could fix YOUR fuck up? Okay. Then there’s FRLG. Giovanni and his goonsquad go around tearing shit and everything just so they can find his son. Nimbasa Gym aside, that crap is far worse than anything the anime or games could’ve ever done.
THE HORN!
Pika broke an Onix.
Please hang up and try again
The Anime Doesn’t Follow the Games
Neither does Special, but everybody loves it. Also, considering how barren Gen 1 was story wise, what do you really expect? Now it’s pretty much just stuck at some weird middle point between being an advertisement and being it’s own thing.
As far as battles go, no. You’re wrong. Unless your complaint is that the Pokemon aren’t sitting around waiting to be attacked (which would be stupid and boring), it actually does. Abilities, status effects, strategy, and yes, even typing all come into play. The thing about typing in the anime is simply that it’s not the end all be all. Since day one, the anime has always said that skill level and strategy are much more important than type which itself is still important, and I really don’t see how that’s a bad thing. Makes things a lot less predictable.
Red Has Every Pokemon. Ash Doesn’t
Only Origins Red. And even then, they all get neglected for Zard wank. Game Red canonically only has his Mt. Silver team, while Adventure Red only has like 20 something. From a writing standpoint, having Ash have every single pokemon would be stupid and pointless anyway, because the main cast pokemon in the anime are treated as their own characters with distinct personalites and character arcs and everything and the more pokemon he has, the less screentime they get. Also, it’d be boring as hell if every single episode ended with Ash just throwing a pokeball at *insert pokemon here*, and in a lot of cases, it’d make him an asshole.
On the subject of Legendaries in the anime, considering the vast majority of them play massive roles in their environments, catching them would be really really stupid.
Ash Always Releases His Strong Pokemon
It’s very clear that the people who spout this nonsense are the ones who haven’t actually followed the series since OS. Prior to Goodra, who came back, Ash has released a grand total of 4 or 5 pokemon with last being Lapras way back in Johto and all of them with good reason, aside from maybe Primape.
Butterfree- went to go start a family
Primape- left in training and forgotten about, unfortunately.
Bird Je…I mean Pidgeot- left to protect its friends from the Spearow and Feaow and guide Twitch to victory.
Lapras- left to go be with its family
Goodra- left to protect its friends in the wetlands. Returned for the league.
Squirtle stayed behind to help the Squirtle Squad, but Ash can still call him up whenever he wants. Zard got left at the whatsits Valley, but could be called up and he came back permanently late in BW.
Ash Never Evolves His Pokemon
This and the releasing pokemon thing are right up there with “Nintendo never makes new IPs” in terms of stupidity. Most of Ash’s pokemon are either fully evolved, partially evolved or are single stage. Pikachu, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur also actively refuse to evolve. Gible is another who he simple didn’t have long enough for it to get a chance to evolve before getting Oaked. All his unevolved pokemon are still strong enough to hang with fully evolved pokemon and even Legendaries, so I’m really not sure why it even matters that much. There’s also the marketing thing which is worth bringing up. Oshawott (unfortunately) sells more than Samurot. Squirtle and Bulbasuar sell more than their evolved forms, and so on and yada blah.
Ash Still Can’t Win A League/Ash is a Garbage Trainer
Well for starters, Kanto, Sinnoh, and Kalos were BS and you know it. Next, as Boss Doggie from Neogaf has said, the pokemon league in the anime is basically a giant online tournament that you have to win in order to even get a chance at the Elite 4 and Champ. I think Special had a somewhat similar format, but I honestly can’t remember too well.
Fun Fact: Red is the only playable character with a canonical lose.
Sure, maybe in Kanto and BW, Ash was booty(shoulda ate his Booty’Os! They make sure! You ain’t booty!), but everywhere else, he’s a fairly competent trainer who’s gradually gotten better. People like to go on and on about he constantly resets, but outside of BW, he doesn’t. Pikachu does because the alternatives are have Pikachu mow through everything (do you really want that?), Oak em’ (AAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA), or make it not do anything for the entirety of the early part of the region. The only things Ash has done even remotely worth remembering are the spinning and counter shield stuff from Sinnoh, and from what I’ve seen (didn’t catch it myself), he stills remembers it, but he simply has no reason to use either of those techniques. I’ve already gone over the type thing, so I’ll just say no.
Ash has also placed in multiple leagues, won the Orange League (inb4noncanon), beaten the Battle Frontier with two of them using Legendaries, battled, beaten, and befriended multiple Legendaries, saved the world multiple times, and even nearly beat Diantha and her Mega Gardevoir. Remember the BS sinnoh league where Ash lost to Tobias’ team of Legendaries? Yeah well despite that, he still managed to take down Tobias’ Darkrai which soloed the entire Sinnoh Region and still managed to draw with his Latios meaning Ash is the second best trainer in Sinnoh barring likely the E4 and Cynthia.
“But the Reds have actually won leagues!” Again, online tournament. And game Red lost his title to Lance and then went on to cry like a a bitch on a mountain for 3 years. But, seriously stop. I’ll give you Adventure Red, but the other two? Just stop.
And to people who want to bring up Mewtwo, Origins Mewtwo is probably about as strong as Tobias’ Darkrai if that, so Ash really wouldn’t have any trouble. Game Mewtwo is featless, so beating/catching it really doesn’t mean all that much. Adventure Mewtwo is alright and Red deals with him, but I don’t think he ever has a full out battle with it. Anime Mewtwo? He’s a straight up haxxed monster capable up mass disabling an entire room of pokemon, mind control, memory erasure, and more. He’s also strong enough to tie with One Piece, though that was before the time skip, so I’m not sure how much has changed since then. Faulting Ash for not beating/catching him is really not fair. Not to mention there’s the whole trying to catch him would make Ash an asshole thing.
Red is So Cool! Ash is a Loser and Has No Development. Also Aging
Game red is a mute with zero personality or development whatsoever. This “Badass” persona people like to project onto him is just that. A bunch of fanboys projecting onto him. Origins Red is a noob whose idea of strategy is having Zard Goku it’s way through everything (We just need to hit them really hard) and from what I vaguely remember he doesn’t have any noteworthy development if any at all. Adventure Red is fine, though I personally find him and Blue the least interesting of the Dex Holders. Admittedly, Red’s annoying ass fanbase soured me on him a bit, though.
Contrary to what a lot of people think, Ash does develop. It’s just that due to the nature of the show, that development is slow and gradual. OS Ash is cocky, loudmouthed, and short tempered as hell. Over time, he starts to call down and mature a bit and eventually end up at what we have now with XY/Z Ash.
The age thing is overall irrelevant. If they didn’t flat out state Ash’s age, you wouldn’t even be able to tell he’s still 10, especially now.
Red Stopped Team Rocket. Ash Can’t Even Shake the Trio
No. Game Red beat Giovanni who decided to quit, which just scrambled Team Rocket a bit. Gold/Crystal/Lyra are the ones who stop Team Rocket for good.
In the manga, while Red did beat Giovanni and make him quit, he came back in FRLG. And they were also fully operational in GSC.
Origins stops at Kanto, so eh.
In the anime, Ash has had only had a handful of encounters with Team Rocket as an organization and he only met Giovanni for the first time in BW. The trio on the other hand, are annoyingly persistent and blindly loyal to Team Rocket to the point that they crawl back even after being fired and, I’m pretty sure, left for dead on a few occasions. Don’t forget though, that while Team Rocket may still be around, Ash has stopped all the other evil teams.
Red is TEH GRAYTEST EVAR!!!!!!!1!
Not even close. He lost to Gold on Mt. Silver, making him the only MC with a canonical lose. He’s also been outdone by everyone to come after him.
On top of beating Red, Gold also became Johto champion, beat all the Kanto gym leaders, and finished off Team Rocket for good.
May became Hoenn champion, stopped Team Magma, beat/caught Primal Groudon(I can’t remember if you’re required to catch it), canonically owns Rayquaza and Latios, saved the world again from a meteor, beat Deoxys, and survived having to put up with Zinnia
Lucas became Sinnoh champion, saved the universe from Team Galactic, and beat Dialga
Hilda became Unova champion, stopped Team Plasma (temporarily), and canonically owns Zekrom
Nate became Unova champion, stopped Team Plasma for good, and has starred in movies
Serena became Kalos champion, beat Yveltal, and stopped Team Flare from commiting mass genocide. She even got officially recognized for it.
So yeah, looking at all that, Red really ain’t that great afterall.
And done. Sorry for the last one being kinda sloppy. I feel like I had a lot more to say, but I can’t remember any of it for the life of me, so for now, I’ll leave it at this."
Because I never get tired of spamming this.
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