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Description Since My last URvOR pic was so Popular ( kruzer.deviantart.com/art/Over… ) I decided to make a new one, this time... I KNOW I'M GOING TO PISS PEOPLE OFF!

Now don't get the wrong idea, I don't hate Red (BTW this is Game Red), But his Fans drive me CRAZY. They love this lifeless Avatar so much that they refuse to accept the fact that his Anime Counterpart is just that, a counterpart to the first game's hero. I grew up with Ash Ketchum and to me he will always be the hero of Pokemon, But once you compare him to his game self Red, ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. And I hear some of the lamest excuses ever when you bring in these two.

1. Red is the most awesome trainer ever, Ash is stupid!

How do you know that? Red is an AVATAR, nothing more, he's only as good as you make him. In other words if you suck at Pokemon then Red sucks. Ash isn't totally stupid, he has done things that will always surprise us and up until Best Wises (Black and White) he had good character and skill development. Thank God for his character in Kalos.

2. Ash's Pokemon will never beat Red's Pokemon, Red's a better tainer!

Oy Vey, Proof... where are you? The Elite Four and Champions are exaggerated in the Anime! AND believe it or not, someone actually made a video of Ash's Pikachu (Game event) dominating Red's Pikachu when put on the same level ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS-aZy… ) Now what!

3. Red got all his badges easily and it only took him a couple of Hours, Ash took forever!

Try walking through three home towns and back in one day, The game is a cake walk compared to real life and the anime. In fact, Misty said it herself in the Anime "A simulation's one thing, but this is Real Life"

4. Red has done more than Ash ever will, nothing Ash does counts anyway!

Red temporarily disbanded Team Rocket, became Kanto Champion (no Tournament needed) and decided to live on a mountain to train and was defeated by a noob (Ethan/Gold or Lyra/Crystal)... Twice (Nate/Black 2 or Rosa/White 2)

Ash (Not counting Movies) made top 16 in Kanto's Tournament, Defeat Jessie, James and Meowth every time, Defeated ALL of Team Rocket several time, became the Orange Islands' Champion after defeating someone who was undefeated, Top 8 in Johto, Disbanded Team Magma, Aqua, Galactic, Plasma and Flare, became Battle Frontier Champion, Top 4 in Sinnoh but still defeated an unbeatable Pokemon, and Top 8 in Unova (Due to Stupid Writing), was 2nd Place in Kalos (WHY, JUST WHY?) and has actually SAVED THE WORLD multiple times... you're right nothing he does counts at all (Sarcasm)

5. Red caught all 150 Pokemon in Kanto, Ash can't catch anything good!

So he caught all the Pokemon without trading and only needs to train like maybe 10, yet the Kanto Legendary Pokemon are still loose in later games... I can't believe people actually care! If Ash caught a Pokemon in each episode the anime would not be half as good as it is/was... besides isn't half the fun of the anime "speculation" and "Guessing" along with the adventure. Speaking of which I think his Alola team will be... Pikachu of course, Decidueye, Incineroar, Lycanroc (Dusk form), and Unless his Greninja somehow returns a Pyukumuku, Finally His Poipole will Evolve into Naganadel and he'll release it back with the other Ultra beast.

And I hope the Girl From Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee makes an appearance and we see her with her Eevee and she captures an alolan Meowth

Also wouldn't it be crazy if Ash meets a female trainer that turns into a Were-Lycanroc and she falls for him when he says he will help her find a cure. (Subject to Change)


6. Read Pokemon Adventures/Special, that's the true story of Red!

The Manga is as canon to the game as the Anime. Plus I've read Pokemon Adventures/Special, it's... okay at best, sure (Adventures) Red seems luckier and a bit more competent than Ash but he never got all eight badges, he got seven (Two out of Pity, and three he either found or were stolen), he only defeated one member of the Elite Four, Bruno, who is said to be the weakest, and became Champion but never fought one. Red is nothing like what you say he is "suppose" to be. Like I said it's okay, I just like the anime more. NEXT!

7. Red's a real badass in Pokemon Origins, this should replace the anime!

Pokemon Origins and that version of Red was... Boring, Predictable and Badly Paced (ZING)! Seriously though Pokemon Origins was Pointless, the whole point was to trigger nostalgia and promote Mega Charizard X (Y is better). I can't stand it when they say "It took Red 4 Episodes to do what Ash can't do in 700+ ect." IT'S A SPECIAL... AND IT WASN'T EVEN THAT GOOD! People say this is what the anime should have been... OH DEAR GOD NO! I mean the animation in the battles weren't bad but everything else looks... bleh, I mean... JUST LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID TO MISTY ( cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/6/6… ) and she's suppose to be Red's age. If this was a Movie and I was a member of "The Spill Crew" I'd give it a LOW RENTAL and go back to watching BW season 2 (that's how lackluster it was)

8. Ash looks nothing like red, Your argument is invalid!

Ash's design is based on the original Red, but with Z's on his face, a slightly different hat and a blue jacket instead of a red one ( vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/e… ), I don't understand why Ken Sugimori made such a drastic design change on the new Red, especially compared to the other heroes but... it just makes things worse for Ash... Oh wait you're right, video game characters always look the same on TV, Look at Bowser from the Super Mario Brothers ( www.mariowiki.com/images/0/01/… ) and Knuckle Joe from Kirby ( img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20… ) how silly of me... (More Sarcasm)

9. At least Red ages!

(FACE PALM) How come people only ask why doesn't Ash age? What about Bart Simpson? Bugs Bunny? or the Doraemon Kids? It's a Cartoon, the Characters age when the writers say they age! And don't give me that Ash's coma theory, End of Story!

And worst of All 10. If Red was the star of the Anime instead of Ash, the Anime would be a lot better?

Okay, let's go back in time and change Ash to Red but keep the same animation staff... guess what... most Likely THE ANIME WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME! Ash is just the anime's version of Red. Besides who names the hero after the color of the cartridge, so does that mean if you have Red you're the hero and if you have Blue/Green you're a douche? In fact Red was suppose to be named "Ash" in Gold and Silver but they stuck with Red for Unknown (and Probably Stupid) Reasons.

Listen... Red, Ash Ketchum (Anime), Shu (Gotta catch 'em all) , Satoshi (Zensho), Akai (Pocket Monsters) or Whatever you call him are all the same character, but are confined to the rules of their continuity and are only as good as the people who make the story make them. How People can blindly follow a sprite that's only as good as you play is beyond me. If you like Red FINE, but no matter what he is Beyond overrated and Ash Ketchum does not deserve this much hate. Rock on Ash, Rock on! Okay rant over.

Finally a big shout out to Fang-Tan!

Ash or Red or Whatever belong to Nintendo and Game Freak!
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KCruzer In reply to ??? [2024-08-05 00:49:19 +0000 UTC]

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Kchager In reply to KCruzer [2024-08-05 02:12:01 +0000 UTC]

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KCruzer In reply to Kchager [2024-08-05 03:00:24 +0000 UTC]

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Kchager In reply to KCruzer [2024-08-05 11:35:21 +0000 UTC]

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barneystoneman85123 [2022-12-21 16:10:35 +0000 UTC]

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katamariluv [2022-01-03 06:29:41 +0000 UTC]

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comicque [2021-08-23 06:59:33 +0000 UTC]

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comicque [2021-08-23 06:12:08 +0000 UTC]

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Darkspinesonic37 [2021-01-13 18:20:37 +0000 UTC]

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zachman2016 In reply to Darkspinesonic37 [2021-06-11 22:05:28 +0000 UTC]

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Darkspinesonic37 [2020-12-20 19:08:46 +0000 UTC]

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derekbeck9 [2020-10-10 09:19:18 +0000 UTC]

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Darkspinesonic37 In reply to derekbeck9 [2021-01-22 21:52:21 +0000 UTC]

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RvB-DESTROYER [2020-01-18 10:35:56 +0000 UTC]

careful Ketchum... you court death if you insult the Mighty Red.  it took you 20 years to be a champion, and Alola was the newest in the League circuit.  

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ArnikumPlus [2019-12-19 11:08:01 +0000 UTC]

Nice !

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Sl9086 [2019-11-30 01:12:42 +0000 UTC]

Well this is my deal.....Red is a powerfull trainer but not the ultimate. If anything, the thing i feel is that Ash mighth ad lost a lot, but he has not given up in his dreams and plans in spite of the naysayers and a lot of people (in and out of universe) Not believing on him. He has travelled to different regions and while not always winning leagues, he did help people with some problems. He played a role in helping Sabrina regain her lost humanity, with Pryce reuniting with his pokemon and his cold heart being warmed up...honestly those two archievements alone are worthier than 10 Kanto badges.
So Red and Ash are polar opposites....but deep down i know Red would aknowledge Ash as a t uogh opponent, as the persistnt one, the one who doesnt give up and the one who wants to continue even if odds play against him.
And that theory of Ash in a Coma.........that theory did so good to the show of Dallas so im not even aknowledging that one. Besides, Sitcoms still have taht problem of ages (i mean..fresh prince of bel air sudden grown up thigny?)

Oh and about releasing some of his pokemon?...The needs of them were higher than his needs as a trainer. Some of them had their own fights and dreams and Ash did not want to block them for a selfish cause. IF anything it says a lot about Ash the fact that he thinks of their own happyness and wants them to do well there.

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MrYingYangDreamer [2019-11-22 04:01:04 +0000 UTC]

True! Very True! 

Finally! someone that sees Scene! 

(and the Funny thing is that i never played the games. LOL)

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Metylover2143 [2019-06-28 16:06:05 +0000 UTC]

Ash brings up a lot of good points

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GokuandSonic707 [2019-04-30 02:11:08 +0000 UTC]

People really need to stop saying that Game Red caught all 151 Kanto Pokemon, it's bullshit because there's no proof. Origins Red caught all of them, whereas manga Red doesn't have that many. Honestly, the only reason I hate Game Red is because of his undeserved props. He defeated Team Rocket, so what? They didn't stay down; Ethan and Lyra crushed them for good and went on to kick Red's ass. Ash played a major role in bringing down more evil organizations than Red has, Aqua & Magma, Galactic, Flare, and Plasma. And Honestly, Prior to gen 7, Team Rocket was more of a joke in the games than they were in the anime. Sure Jessie and James were silly and made Team Rocket look bad, but that's because they are the members we see the most of, whenever other members got involved, we had episodes where they captured Lugia, challenged Mewtwo, and unleashed the power of Tornadus, Thundurus, and Landorus. One thing Game Red has over Ash is that he has actually aged since they brought him back in gen 7, though Ash was supposed to be like 16 or something by the point of Sinnoh, but he was forced back to 10 by Unova.

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Mach68 [2019-04-29 17:59:34 +0000 UTC]

I will cheer for Ashy over Red every time!

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awesomesauce000 [2019-01-06 02:29:04 +0000 UTC]

I've found out that people liked XYZ Ash...until he lost the league finals.

That's the equivalent of supporting a rising star in the Olympics, and suddenly turning against them when they go home with just a silver medal.

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Mach68 In reply to awesomesauce000 [2019-04-29 17:57:47 +0000 UTC]

That means that they never liked him to begin with. Those people are a bunch of front-runners if you ask me.

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NintendoGamer98 [2018-08-27 00:17:12 +0000 UTC]

In addition to the writers wanting to keep the anime going, I think it should also be noted the the anime’s way of the league and the game’s are different: A tournament and five tough battles. It seems unfair comparing the champion status when Red and Ash would have to obtain it two incredibly different ways.

Plus, anyone who’s followed a tournament style sport knows that getting far in tournaments is no easy task. It requires great skill, knowledge, technique, training, and some even require chance to be in your favor. (Darkrai and Latios anyone?) Ash’s tournament win loss ratio realistically is actually very impressive.

One thing the Kalos tournament points out that a lot of people take for granted: Not everybody qualifies for the tournament. A lot of trainers don’t obtain all 8 badges in the time limit (which we don’t have in the games). The fact that Ash has obtained the required gym badges in six regions and the orange islands without failing once is impressive (less so in Kanto since some were given out of pity or acknowledgement, but still impressive).

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Mach68 In reply to NintendoGamer98 [2019-04-29 18:00:35 +0000 UTC]

This might surprise you, but the writers actually wanted Ash to win the Kalos tournament. The original script involved Ash defeating Alain, but the higher-ups changed it at the last minute. Blame executive meddling. 

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comicque [2018-07-29 22:29:59 +0000 UTC]

I...like Red. If you've watched Pokemon Origins, maybe you'll know why. Plus, Red was actually able to catch Mewtwo and the other legendaries. Ash just saw them. 

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KCruzer In reply to comicque [2018-07-29 23:58:53 +0000 UTC]

Read #7

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Ash-GreninjaGirl [2018-07-03 18:36:11 +0000 UTC]

Finally someone said it.

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Narutopowers88 [2018-05-30 03:45:50 +0000 UTC]

Lol n

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Creepohchu [2018-05-27 01:09:37 +0000 UTC]

I'm the Pokemon champion like you were ever one

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KCruzer In reply to Creepohchu [2018-05-27 16:36:51 +0000 UTC]

Orange League Champion and Battle Frontier Champion.

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Creepohchu [2018-05-27 01:05:38 +0000 UTC]

At least I grew up 

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TVnGames In reply to Creepohchu [2018-08-03 14:24:56 +0000 UTC]

The last comment says otherwise. And too bad his fans didn't.

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Creepohchu [2018-05-27 01:04:43 +0000 UTC]

Red:Hey ash grow up

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Mach68 In reply to Creepohchu [2019-04-29 17:58:40 +0000 UTC]

Look in the mirror Red. 

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TVnGames In reply to Creepohchu [2018-08-03 14:24:27 +0000 UTC]

Red should take his own advice.

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WillPower276 [2018-05-24 19:14:38 +0000 UTC]

I agree, Red’s fanbase consisted of rabid Ash Ketchum haters and it made me wanted to hate Red for his fanbase.

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Slangolator [2018-05-08 20:03:22 +0000 UTC]

One more thing you should have added about Ash, and that is that even when Ash was losing, he never gave up in his goal to be one of the greatest Pokemon Trainers ever

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BellaIzumi13 [2018-03-18 21:02:56 +0000 UTC]

You tell 'im Ash.

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CommanderMs [2017-12-19 03:30:58 +0000 UTC]

Kruzer, since the Pokemon anime has reached episode 1000, there is no hope for Ash to be a Pokemon Master. It has been 20 years now, yet, Ash hasn't won a major league because the writers want to keep the series going and if Ash wins the major league, his journey ends. I suggest that Ash should give up his dream of becoming a Pokemon Master. Another reason why Ash should quit his dream was because Ash had weaksauce Pokemon and he is dumb and immature.

As of Pokemon Sun and Moon anime, he should 17 years old now and he should a teacher of Pokemon School, teaching future Pokemon trainers of what he learned as a Pokemon Trainer instead of being a student of Pokemon School. Also, here is how the age of Ash from Kanto to Alola:

Kanto: 10 years old
Orange: 11 years old
Johto: 12 years old
Hoenn: 13 years old
Sinnoh: 14 years old
Unova: 15 years old
Kalos: 16 years old
Alola: 17 years old

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OfficialLieDetector In reply to CommanderMs [2022-05-18 20:22:33 +0000 UTC]

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SapphireZX [2017-12-09 20:28:51 +0000 UTC]

Poor Red is sad

But damn, Ash is roasting him like crazy

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Mel1965 [2017-10-25 10:40:01 +0000 UTC]

Are people STILL trying to compare these 2?  Sorry, obvious Red fan, but I want to tell you something. I really like Olympia from Pokemon X/Y and I don't like Sabrina from FireRed/LeafGreen. Sabrina was rather boring in the game and overly creepy in the anime. But I don't draw art of Olympia "being better" than Sabrina. Why? Because both characters have their good points and bad points.  Sabrina may of been boring in the game, but her team DID give me a bit of challenge,just like Olympia's team did in X/Y. And Olympia may be good in the game and anime, but I found her game personality to be a bit on the dull side, and she was a bit FNAF-type creepy in the anime(that wriggling hair,weird glare and moaning like she was having a heart attack).

So please consider the fact that both Red and Ash have their pros and cons, and don't come off as a creepy rabid Red fan.

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VL32 [2017-10-23 01:54:01 +0000 UTC]

I like them both. I don't get why people should glorify one and mock the other. 

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Joeyfizh [2017-09-06 03:40:31 +0000 UTC]

THANK YOU! FUCKING THANK YOU! sorry but I really like Ash

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Star-hawks [2017-09-03 11:09:57 +0000 UTC]

Gold>Ash and Red. 
#FACTZ

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XmarkZX [2017-08-29 22:54:27 +0000 UTC]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

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Cubix-fan-1999 [2017-07-23 18:20:01 +0000 UTC]

ShinyHunterAsh  

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stevie3 [2017-06-24 00:58:08 +0000 UTC]

"AAAAAAAAAAnd now for a shitty little post I’ve been wanting to do for a LONG time. Ash vs. Red. Seriously, I see the whole “Ash sucks! Red it teh greatest!” thing too much on the internet and I’m way past tired of it, so here I am to give my thoughts. I’ll mostly be referring to game Red, but I’ll also be using Origins and Special Red a bit. I’m only at the beginning of the Emerald Arc in the manga, and it’s been a while since I’ve read it, so I’ll try not to spend too much time on it. Also, spoilers

The Anime should be replaced!

No. Unlike the main anime, Special has a lot of continuity, which means if it got turned into an anime, either A. They start from the beginning which would be stupid and pointless as it’s not advertising the new stuff. or B. They start with the most recent gen and skip out over 19 years worth of material. Either way, nothing good comes from it in the long run.

The Manga is SO Awesome! The Anime Sucks!

Kinda like how I’ve seen a lot of anime haters try to shut down XY/Z praise with “it’s only good by pokemon standards. It’s mediocre at best compared to everything else.”, the same can honestly be applied to Special. Outside of the Ruby and Sapphire Arc, which I absolutely loved, it’s honestly nothing all that special, especially when compared to other, competent, shonen. I mean sure it’s a fun manga, and a good alternative to the anime, but that’s all it is. Hell, GSC and FRLG are just downright stupid. GSC spends all that time hyping up Ice Mask only for it to be Pryce trying to bring back a pokemon he got kilIed because I admittedly can’t remember why. So you mean to tell me that  you ran an entire criminal organization from the shadows, kidnapped children, trained them to be child soldiers while potentially scaring them for life, and killed (or at least attempted to kill) people all so you could find a Celebi so you could fix YOUR fuck up? Okay. Then there’s FRLG. Giovanni and his goonsquad go around tearing shit and everything just so they can find his son. Nimbasa Gym aside, that crap is far worse than anything the anime or games could’ve ever done.

THE HORN!
Pika broke an Onix.
Please hang up and try again

The Anime Doesn’t Follow the Games

Neither does Special, but everybody loves it. Also, considering how barren Gen 1 was story wise, what do you really expect? Now it’s pretty much just stuck at some weird middle point between being an advertisement and being it’s own thing. 

As far as battles go, no. You’re wrong. Unless your complaint is that the Pokemon aren’t sitting around waiting to be attacked (which would be stupid and boring), it actually does. Abilities, status effects, strategy, and yes, even typing all come into play. The thing about typing in the anime is simply that it’s not the end all be all. Since day one, the anime has always said that skill level and strategy are much more important than type which itself is still important, and I really don’t see how that’s a bad thing. Makes things a lot less predictable.

Red Has Every Pokemon. Ash Doesn’t

Only Origins Red. And even then, they all get neglected for Zard wank. Game Red canonically only has his Mt. Silver team, while Adventure Red only has like 20 something. From a writing standpoint, having Ash have every single pokemon would be stupid and pointless anyway, because the main cast pokemon in the anime are treated as their own characters with distinct personalites and character arcs and everything and the more pokemon he has, the less screentime they get. Also, it’d be boring as hell if every single episode ended with Ash just throwing a pokeball at *insert pokemon here*, and in a lot of cases, it’d make him an asshole. 

On the subject of Legendaries in the anime, considering the vast majority of them play massive roles in their environments, catching them would be really really stupid.

Ash Always Releases His Strong Pokemon

It’s very clear that the people who spout this nonsense are the ones who haven’t actually followed the series since OS. Prior to Goodra, who came back, Ash has released a grand total of 4 or 5 pokemon with last being Lapras way back in Johto and all of them with good reason, aside from maybe Primape.

Butterfree- went to go start a family

Primape- left in training and forgotten about, unfortunately.

Bird Je…I mean Pidgeot- left to protect its friends from the Spearow and Feaow and guide Twitch to victory.

Lapras- left to go be with its family

Goodra- left to protect its friends in the wetlands. Returned for the league.

Squirtle stayed behind to help the Squirtle Squad, but Ash can still call him up whenever he wants. Zard got left at the whatsits Valley, but could be called up and he came back permanently late in BW.

Ash Never Evolves His Pokemon

This and the releasing pokemon thing are right up there with “Nintendo never makes new IPs” in terms of stupidity. Most of Ash’s pokemon are either fully evolved, partially evolved or are single stage. Pikachu, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur also actively refuse to evolve. Gible is another who he simple didn’t have long enough for it to get a chance to evolve before getting Oaked. All his unevolved pokemon are still strong enough to hang with fully evolved pokemon and even Legendaries, so I’m really not sure why it even matters that much. There’s also the marketing thing which is worth bringing up. Oshawott (unfortunately) sells more than Samurot. Squirtle and Bulbasuar sell more than their evolved forms, and so on and yada blah.

Ash Still Can’t Win A League/Ash is a Garbage Trainer

Well for starters, Kanto, Sinnoh, and Kalos were BS and you know it. Next, as Boss Doggie from Neogaf has said, the pokemon league in the anime is basically a giant online tournament that you have to win in order to even get a chance at the Elite 4 and Champ. I think Special had a somewhat similar format, but I honestly can’t remember too well. 

Fun Fact: Red is the only playable character with a canonical lose.

Sure, maybe in Kanto and BW, Ash was booty(shoulda ate his Booty’Os! They make sure! You ain’t booty!), but everywhere else, he’s a fairly competent trainer who’s gradually gotten better. People like to go on and on about he constantly resets, but outside of BW, he doesn’t. Pikachu does because the alternatives are have Pikachu mow through everything (do you really want that?), Oak em’ (AAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA), or make it not do anything for the entirety of the early part of the region. The only things Ash has done even remotely worth remembering are the spinning and counter shield stuff from Sinnoh, and from what I’ve seen (didn’t catch it myself), he stills remembers it, but he simply has no reason to use either of those techniques. I’ve already gone over the type thing, so I’ll just say no.

Ash has also placed in multiple leagues, won the Orange League (inb4noncanon), beaten the Battle Frontier with two of them using Legendaries, battled, beaten, and befriended multiple Legendaries, saved the world multiple times, and even nearly beat Diantha and her Mega Gardevoir. Remember the BS sinnoh league where Ash lost to Tobias’ team of Legendaries? Yeah well despite that, he still managed to take down Tobias’ Darkrai which soloed the entire Sinnoh Region and still managed to draw with his Latios meaning Ash is the second best trainer in Sinnoh barring likely the E4 and Cynthia. 

“But the Reds have actually won leagues!” Again, online tournament. And game Red lost his title to Lance and then went on to cry like a a bitch on a mountain for 3 years. But, seriously stop. I’ll give you Adventure Red, but the other two? Just stop.

And to people who want to bring up Mewtwo, Origins Mewtwo is probably about as strong as Tobias’ Darkrai if that, so Ash really wouldn’t have any trouble. Game Mewtwo is featless, so beating/catching it really doesn’t mean all that much. Adventure Mewtwo is alright and Red deals with him, but I don’t think he ever has a full out battle with it. Anime Mewtwo? He’s a straight up haxxed monster capable up mass disabling an entire room of pokemon, mind control, memory erasure, and more. He’s also strong enough to tie with One Piece, though that was before the time skip, so I’m not sure how much has changed since then. Faulting Ash for not beating/catching him is really not fair. Not to mention there’s the whole trying to catch him would make Ash an asshole thing.

Red is So Cool! Ash is a Loser and Has No Development. Also Aging

Game red is a mute with zero personality or development whatsoever. This “Badass” persona people like to project onto him is just that. A bunch of fanboys projecting onto him. Origins Red is a noob whose idea of strategy is having Zard Goku it’s way through everything (We just need to hit them really hard) and from what I vaguely remember he doesn’t have any noteworthy development if any at all. Adventure Red is fine, though I personally find him and Blue the least interesting of the Dex Holders. Admittedly, Red’s annoying ass fanbase soured me on him a bit, though.

Contrary to what a lot of people think, Ash does develop. It’s just that due to the nature of the show, that development is slow and gradual. OS Ash is cocky, loudmouthed, and short tempered as hell. Over time, he starts to call down and mature a bit and eventually end up at what we have now with XY/Z Ash. 

The age thing is overall irrelevant. If they didn’t flat out state Ash’s age, you wouldn’t even be able to tell he’s still 10, especially now.

Red Stopped Team Rocket. Ash Can’t Even Shake the Trio

No. Game Red beat Giovanni who decided to quit, which just scrambled Team Rocket a bit. Gold/Crystal/Lyra are the ones who stop Team Rocket for good.

In the manga, while Red did beat Giovanni and make him quit, he came back in FRLG. And they were also fully operational in GSC.

Origins stops at Kanto, so eh.

In the anime, Ash has had only had a handful of encounters with Team Rocket as an organization and he only met Giovanni for the first time in BW. The trio on the other hand, are annoyingly persistent and blindly loyal to Team Rocket to the point that they crawl back even after being fired and, I’m pretty sure, left for dead on a few occasions. Don’t forget though, that while Team Rocket may still be around, Ash has stopped all the other evil teams.

Red is TEH GRAYTEST EVAR!!!!!!!1!

Not even close. He lost to Gold on Mt. Silver, making him the only MC with a canonical lose. He’s also been outdone by everyone to come after him.

On top of beating Red, Gold also became Johto champion, beat all the Kanto gym leaders, and finished off Team Rocket for good.

May became Hoenn champion, stopped Team Magma, beat/caught Primal Groudon(I can’t remember if you’re required to catch it), canonically owns Rayquaza and Latios, saved the world again from a meteor, beat Deoxys, and survived having to put up with Zinnia

Lucas became Sinnoh champion, saved the universe from Team Galactic, and beat Dialga

Hilda became Unova champion, stopped Team Plasma (temporarily), and canonically owns Zekrom

Nate became Unova champion, stopped Team Plasma for good, and has starred in movies

Serena became Kalos champion, beat Yveltal, and stopped Team Flare from commiting mass genocide. She even got officially recognized for it.

So yeah, looking at all that, Red really ain’t that great afterall.

And done. Sorry for the last one being kinda sloppy. I feel like I had a lot more to say, but I can’t remember any of it for the life of me, so for now, I’ll leave it at this."

Because I never get tired of spamming this.

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Jeannot197870 In reply to stevie3 [2020-11-10 14:52:36 +0000 UTC]

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