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Kevfilms2x2 In reply to Bioshadow3XXX [2019-01-06 22:03:47 +0000 UTC]

Lol you know it, and thanks. 

Happy Holidays

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Kevfilms2x2 In reply to mr10channel [2016-01-08 17:16:32 +0000 UTC]

But if this was UAF! Kevin, he'd be crying since Gwen doesn't love him in Resurrection's timeline (Keep in mind, he cried when an Ectonurite couldn't posses him for unexplained reasons).

And thanks.

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mr10channel In reply to Kevfilms2x2 [2016-01-09 13:43:53 +0000 UTC]

 Ah, Point taken.

 Also, My Pleasure

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Kevfilms2x2 In reply to Zigwolf [2015-12-27 02:45:19 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, thought I'd take a good jab at UAF! Kevin.

Yeah, so far I'm liking where I'm going with these two. They're so far becoming better than Gwevin.

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Zigwolf In reply to Kevfilms2x2 [2015-12-28 18:34:05 +0000 UTC]

It deserves a few jabs here and there.

Definitely.

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Kevfilms2x2 In reply to MCMXC2 [2015-12-26 18:53:37 +0000 UTC]

And a happy new year!

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MCMXC2 In reply to Kevfilms2x2 [2015-12-26 19:22:35 +0000 UTC]

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Kevfilms2x2 In reply to Shadow-DJ [2015-12-26 06:41:35 +0000 UTC]

Cheating: Sorry, but Kevin still cheated on Gwen because she doesn't understand him with a girl who understands him barely anymore than Gwen does. In "Revenge of the Swarm" Kevin mentions other unnamed girlfriends he once had. Don't get me started on his relationship with Looma.

Assualting Officers: Instigators? The team were impersonating a police force! And when the magister wanted to arrest them, Kevin assaulted him and resisted arrest. But if this is not enough, what about the time when Kevin nearly ran over two officers?

Alien Force: According to official statements, Kevin literally killed them. Even if they weren't, them returning back to normal just because kevin was still didn't make sense.

Ragnarok: Regardless of him avenging his dad, he still murdered him. Yet before hand, he still had this vendetta against him BEFORE the story of his father was given to him. Not just that? But Kevin is a HYPOCRITE, wanting to kill a murderer when he does so himself with Ragnarok! The Devin storyline made NO sense! For Kevin's father to exist, that would mean Kevin is 40 years old! Which makes the Gwevin romance creepier!

Car: While Cyborg loves making machines, it's only his hobby (he's a machine himself). Cyborg has shown to be very mature (even with beastboy). Him destroying his car proves that he sees it as nothing more than escapism, Unlike Kevin who would rather risk his friends for his stupid car.

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Shadow-DJ In reply to Kevfilms2x2 [2015-12-26 07:18:34 +0000 UTC]

Fair on all accounts, though with the thing with Kevin's dad...

I would buy that he's a younger agent, not actually someone that was close to Grandpa's age since, ya know...MAx was in the Gray area...so if I had to guess, he'd be around Frank or Carl's age than Max's at the time, so I'd say...about mid-20s to EArly 30s for Devin. And actually, Ragnarok's thing would have to be programed into him by Servantis himself...and honestly, Servantis himself makes NO SENSE on how he was able to get Max to remember a guy he never really knew or even Kevin's own mother, since I'm pretty sure you can't falsify that much. Because that's going into WAY too much trouble...and again, that's now how Brainstorm's powers work! He's got psychonic electrokinesis, not telepathy! Or memory manipulation for that matter.

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Kevfilms2x2 In reply to Shadow-DJ [2015-12-26 18:23:53 +0000 UTC]

But the way UAF was stating was during Max's plumber days. After Vilgax was supposedly destroyed, the plumbers went defunct. Not just that, but the plumbers were an earth only organization that dealt with getting rid of aliens, most were Xenophobic. So why is an Osmosian like Devin in the plumbers? And if he was an Osmosian? Why isn't he tan and have horns like Osmosians do? Why doesn't he go crazy when he absorbs energy like UAF kept on implying?

Most plumbers alive would be elderly man, Joel being the youngest member.

Even if Devin being younger was the case, his last words were "Max, take care of my son".

So explain to me? Why wasn't Devin's storyline explained sooner? And since Max knew Kevin's father, why didn't Max recognize Kevin in the OS?

According to the OS, Kevin's parents threw him out due to him being a dangerous psychopath! Again, why didn't Max come for Kevin during his time of his birth? He did promise to take care of him during the Devin flashback.

Why all this? Because again, Devin's storyline made no sense!

And as for Proctor's powers? Keep in mind, the sequel series never really considered Brainstorm as an electric alien. And biologically speaking, the reason why Proctor was able to create false memories and telepathy has to do with the fact that brains are powered by electrons (organisms can generate bio electricity, which the brain is capable of doing). And since Cerebrocrustaceans have big brains with the use of electrical storms? It makes total sense.

And as for Kevin's Mother being mind manipulated, keep in mind. Kevin's mother appeared only one time and did very little. So her appearance and where she stands, also didn't make sense. 

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Shadow-DJ In reply to Kevfilms2x2 [2015-12-26 19:19:06 +0000 UTC]

Also...wiht the Osmision thing...

How would Servantis' term for quote-unquote 'mutants' reach Andromina? Aggregor is an Osmosion yes, but how would P'andor recongize Kevin as one right away if he showed his matter absorbtion power instead of the power draining that Aggregor usually showed? Wouldn't that mean Servantis would have to also go there?

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Kevfilms2x2 In reply to Shadow-DJ [2015-12-27 06:12:30 +0000 UTC]

Since Proctor was collecting aliens for Hybridization, how do you he didn't went to P'andor's planet and created false memories on their? Infact, since Osmos V was in the plumber files and the Plumbers were retconned into being known space police, how do you know P'andor din't look up the files to know what an Osmosian is.

Infact? Aggregor was planned for the Rooters arc, but was cut out due to time constraints.

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Shadow-DJ In reply to Kevfilms2x2 [2015-12-27 06:17:59 +0000 UTC]

And he was apparently suposed to be some Kevin clone...which kinda kills some of the cooler aspects of the character since it would have killed all of the suspense of that arc. And also...falsifying memories...on ENERGY BEINGS? How the hell would his powers even work on them? They're more likely to absorb the electrical energy than get mind-blasted. And also, that planet is likely 100% Radioactive. Why would would the Proctor go there with his head exposed to a 10-fallouts worth of radiation?

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Kevfilms2x2 In reply to Shadow-DJ [2015-12-27 06:40:25 +0000 UTC]

Never did liked Aggregor, his point was just to justify Kevin's past crime. And was completely thrown away when they introduced Ultimate Kevin.

I Never said he Falsified the ENTIRE system, I'm saying that most of the sentients in the Andromeda probably looked at files on the plumbers.

As stated, the plumbers have the information, just these guys were most likely being reading a bunch of false records.

"Why would would the Proctor go there with his head exposed to a 10-fallouts worth of radiation?"

And how did Proctor manage to Hybridize Leander with Prypiatosian-B DNA?

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Shadow-DJ In reply to Kevfilms2x2 [2015-12-27 06:42:49 +0000 UTC]

I honestly always thought Leander was a robot when he first showed up before I looked into it and saw he was a hybrid. As for how that works...no idea. Tha's part of the reason why I am kinda ify with him being able to even DO That without Kevin.

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Shadow-DJ In reply to Kevfilms2x2 [2015-12-26 18:50:31 +0000 UTC]

Ever thought that not ALL Osmosions looked like Aggregor? Ever thought Devin was too young to have noticeable horns on his head, or even that they could have been hidden under his hair? And it wsa explained that the Plumbers are actually intergalactic, and having alien members like Xeylene and Petaleday on Earth during Max and Phil's time in the Plumbers, making them around their age. And also why wasn't he going crazy? Ever thought tha there was TRAINING involved with younger Osmosions to know how to better channel energy? ALso, in the flashback, he wasn't absorbing it, he was REDIRECTING IT at Ragnarok. He didn't absorb it, he just let it go from one arm and out the other. That's not really absorbing it, thus he wasn't going crazy.

As for why Max didn't recongize him? Easy; How likely would have been for Max to realize that the runaway with an energy addiction (He showed that he needed to recharge a lot, so that has clear signs of addiction energy) and realize it was Devin's son, its not like Devin actually gave a picture and even heard Kevin's full name, could't he just think it was some other kid named Kevin wiht powers? and maybe Max lost track of Devin's family because they wanted to distance themselves from the Plumbers, as Harvey didn't seem so keen on aliens himself. And he ran away because he ended up destroying their house, he wasn't the dangerous guy he was at the time YET, that came AFTER his powers began to go out of control, not when he became less inclined with morals. He had run away after messing up the house and ended up on the streets where he got abused by street punks because he was different, which was already making his already fragile psyche worse. He didn't have a father figure because he ran away before Max could even get to him. Plus I have some doubts his mother would have let MAx take Kevin away, even if she knew the risks of having an Osmosion child.

ANd Joel being around kinda implies that the Plumbers are still active somewhere. Why else would he be a Plumber when the Earth faction was defunct? Becaue there were INTERGALACTIC members out there still and he was part of that with his parents, who seemed to be still active members. Why else would they still be going after beings like the Mudpuppies? Ever though that Max just retired himself with Phil after Vilgax because he wanted to raise his family, with his brother still keeping up the fight. After all, Joel's parents showed that they didn't lose their touch for finding suspicious aliens and they are still likely active members of the Plumbers, with Joel being the same. AFter all, how would you explain the fact that he's marrying an ALIEN woman when most of the family would have to be reired from the alien gig if the Plumbers on Earth were not still active?

And honestly speaking, it doesn't make sense even with THAT logic. Brainstorm never showed signs of being able to read minds or alter memories during UAF, and PSychobos never used that power on his own accord in OV before Servantis showed up, especially with how useful reading minds would be for that supposed genius. If Psychobos used the power, than it would have explained where Servantis could do all that. Plus here's the other thing, he'd have to know WHO Harvey and Mrs. Levin were to manipulate their minds like that, not to mention Max. Max would have to still had been a Plumber for Servantis to get into that memory of THAT man in particular and to know where the Levin family were. HTat would mean that he'd known who the Levin family was, and who Harvey was for that matter, and he'd have to know that Kevin was out there somewhere. Hell, he'd have to take the time and energy to make a lot of fake files on the deceased Plumber parents of the Helpers and for Devin himself. I mean, if they're parents WERE PLumbers, wouldn't there still be files? i don't think you delete files of former members of what is essentially a police force. It'd be too weird for his cover story if there weren't any evidence of their existence and their deaths? So he'd had to get as many people messed up in the head as possible so no one could counter this before they were needed. ANd that was implying that he'd ever guess that the Plumbers wouldn't be looking for young hybrid recruits on Earth that he had running around, and he'd have to make sure that others didn't tell Max that Devin never existed or that the Plumber Helpers weren't really kids of Plumbers. After all, they went othe Plumber Academy, and wouldn't the teachers have KNOWN their parents if they were plumbers? That would imply that Servatis would have to make sure no one could counter this evidence at all and honestly that's taking WAY too many precautions than humanly or alienly possible, even WITH the brain power of a Cerebrocrestation.

THAT is way too many things to think on and this was just for an attack squad for a KID. How would he be able to hide the fact that his secret group of Plumbers were attacking 11 year olds on Earth, even if he said that it was for the 'greater good'.

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Kevfilms2x2 In reply to Shadow-DJ [2015-12-27 06:09:07 +0000 UTC]

"Ever thought that not ALL Osmosions looked like Aggregor? Ever thought Devin was too young to have noticeable horns on his head, or even that they could have been hidden under his hair?"

Sorry, but since these guys are aliens, they should look something similar to each other. That's like saying all Humans have white skin tones.

"And it wsa explained that the Plumbers are actually intergalactic, and having alien members like Xeylene and Petaleday on Earth during Max and Phil's time in the Plumbers, "

The plumbers were never an intergalactic space police, They were alien exterminators. Xylene was just an honorary member. UAF retconned the plumbers into being space police.

"Ever thought tha there was TRAINING involved with younger Osmosions to know how to better channel energy?"

If that was the case, then why didn't Max go after Kevin sooner?

"ALso, in the flashback, he wasn't absorbing it, he was REDIRECTING IT at Ragnarok. He didn't absorb it, he just let it go from one arm and out the other. That's not really absorbing it, thus he wasn't going crazy."

Kevin did the samething in the original, that's definitely him absorbing energy. So no, I don't buy.

Even so, Why didn't Aggregor or Kevin from season 3 go crazy when they absorbed energy like UAF kept implying?

"As for why Max didn't recongize him? Easy; How likely would have been for Max to realize that the runaway with an energy addiction (He showed that he needed to recharge a lot, so that has clear signs of addiction energy) and realize it was Devin's son, its not like Devin actually gave a picture and even heard Kevin's full name,"

Kevin's mom still had a picture of Kevin with his dad, so surely that would have made it easier for max to find him. And even if that wasn't the case, Kevin still showed similar powers. This isn't meet the fockers you know.


"(He showed that he needed to recharge a lot, so that has clear signs of addiction energy)"

Wrong, what kevin did was by his own will. He wasn't in this energy addiction, otherwise? Why didn't Kevin go after "Moar" power in the original?

"maybe Max lost track of Devin's family because they wanted to distance themselves from the Plumbers,"

First of all, this was never implied in UAF. Furthermore, UAF really failed to explain where the rest went off, because McDuffie never saw the original series while working on UAF.


"And he ran away because he ended up destroying their house, he wasn't the dangerous guy he was at the time YET, that came AFTER his powers began to go out of control, not when he became less inclined with morals. He had run away after messing up the house and ended up on the streets where he got abused by street punks because he was different, which was already making his already fragile psyche worse. He didn't have a father figure because he ran away before Max could even get to him. Plus I have some doubts his mother would have let MAx take Kevin away, even if she knew the risks of having an Osmosion child."

OMG, first of all, this was just an excuse McDuffie clearly pulled out to justify Kevin's actions in the original. McDuffie clearly knew that Kevin's heel face turn was poorly received, instead of doing the right thing, McDuffie further pisses off the fanbase by pulling that "Osmosian" card. Again, why didn't Kevin go crazy in season 3? Why didn't Aggregor go crazy when he did? Why don't they both get those baggy eyes after they were turned back to normal LIKE McDuffie confirmed.

Furthermore, Max still could have gotten kevin AFTER devin died? Afterall, His mom married Harvey after she was given the update of Devin's death (which was many years after).

"even if she knew the risks of having an Osmosion child."

Then why marry an Osmosian then?

"ANd Joel being around kinda implies that the Plumbers are still active somewhere. Why else would he be a Plumber when the Earth faction was defunct?"

Simple, HE WAS THE YOUNGEST MEMBER!! The plumbers were defunct after they nuked Vilgax. All remaining plumbers would be elderly, Joel being the youngest member. Otherwise, name me an active plumber in the original (Phil doesn't count, for he was abusing Plumber technology to make money, not save the day).

"Becaue there were INTERGALACTIC members out there still and he was part of that with his parents, who seemed to be still active members"

Already stated this, they were never intergalactic space police in the original as most the plumbers dealt with KILLING aliens (Most Plumbers were Xenophobic). Xylene was only an Honorary member.



"Why else would they still be going after beings like the Mudpuppies?"

Simple, they weren't. The Wedding was planned during the time the plumbers were still active. Joel's parents still had plumber technology for self defense.


"Ever though that Max just retired himself with Phil after Vilgax because he wanted to raise his family, with his brother still keeping up the fight."

This never happened, Max didn't retire HIMSELF. The plumbers just went defunct because it's simple, Vilgax was the biggest threat in the galaxy, and since they nuked him towards his ship, the plumbers went defunct.


"After all, Joel's parents showed that they didn't lose their touch for finding suspicious aliens and they are still likely active members of the Plumbers, with Joel being the same."

Already explained this. Joel's parents were never active plumbers, They're retired like Max is. They just have the weapons for precautions, mainly because some of the sludgepuppies wants to destroy the peace between man and sludgepuppy.


"AFter all, how would you explain the fact that he's marrying an ALIEN woman when most of the family would have to be reired from the alien gig if the Plumbers on Earth were not still active?"


Again, they weren't! The wedding was planned centuries ago! Joel is just a younger member! And his parents had weapons for safety precautions and self defense!


"And honestly speaking, it doesn't make sense even with THAT logic. Brainstorm never showed signs of being able to read minds or alter memories during UAF, and PSychobos never used that power on his own accord in OV before Servantis showed up, especially with how useful reading minds would be for that supposed genius. If Psychobos used the power, than it would have explained where Servantis could do all that"


Bear in mind, this isn't the first time powers were made up on the fly. UAF kept doing it!


Diamondhead could levitate crystals and materialize them out of thin air, he never did that nor did he do it ever again! Same goes for Waybig! How defeated the junk monster with Super speed! Jetray lifted humongosaur with no problem. And Humongosaur came back to the space station even though he sent off into the vacuum of space! Speaking of Humongosaur, remember that ability he had where he could grow in size? Uaf forgot about that power.

"Plus here's the other thing, he'd have to know WHO Harvey and Mrs. Levin were to manipulate their minds like that, not to mention Max."


Well, he did acquire Kevin as a child. And since he had the ability to alter and create false memories, how do you know he didn't?

"Max would have to still had been a Plumber for Servantis to get into that memory of THAT man in particular and to know where the Levin family were"

Since this is OV we're talking about now, OV recently stated that Plumbers were always active, Max just being retired.

"HTat would mean that he'd known who the Levin family was, and who Harvey was for that matter, and he'd have to know that Kevin was out there somewhere. Hell, he'd have to take the time and energy to make a lot of fake files on the deceased Plumber parents of the Helpers and for Devin himself."


Well duh, that's what happenend! And the Helpers never had parents, as stated? Those were all false memories given by Proctorm so Max can look after them. Them being Hybrids never made sense. I know your going to bring up Ester, but right now? She doesn't count.


"I mean, if they're parents WERE PLumbers, wouldn't there still be files? i don't think you delete files of former members of what is essentially a police force. It'd be too weird for his cover story if there weren't any evidence of their existence and their deaths?"

Not unless if they were hacked or created just to avoid suspicion from curious eyes. REAL LIFE Government agents do this.

he'd had to get as many people messed up in the head as possible so no one could counter this before they were needed.ANd that was implying that he'd ever guess that the Plumbers wouldn't be looking for young hybrid recruits on Earth that he had running around, and he'd have to make sure that others didn't tell Max that Devin never existed or that the Plumber Helpers weren't really kids of Plumbers. After all, they went othe Plumber Academy, and wouldn't the teachers have KNOWN their parents if they were plumbers? That would imply that Servatis would have to make sure no one could counter this evidence at all and honestly that's taking WAY too many precautions than humanly or alienly possible, even WITH the brain power of a Cerebrocrestation."

He didn't need to mess with ALL their heads to do this, a few handful is enough to spread the word. Messing with Max's head was enough to convince the other plumbers of what the rooters were doing, same goes for first people he manipulated.


"THAT is way too many things to think on and this was just for an attack squad for a KID."

Same applies for Vilgax and Sunder, going after a device on a KID!

"How would he be able to hide the fact that his secret group of Plumbers were attacking 11 year olds on Earth, even if he said that it was for the 'greater good'."

Just like forever knights in UAF, how were they able to hide the fact that this secret army of misfits were hiding in castles out of the open IN AMERICA! And going to kill every alien on sight because of the dragon, even if it was for the 'greater good'.

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Shadow-DJ In reply to Kevfilms2x2 [2015-12-27 06:15:46 +0000 UTC]

The wedding...between Joel and Camile, the two who met and fell in love on the field, was 'centuries' ago? Uh...wha? They were the ones who fell and love and set the peace. That wasn't 'centuries' ago, that was likely a couple years prior to the series itself.

ALso..you're saying that it was 'pissing off hte entire fanbase'..I've met a lot of people who would disagree wtih that. Heck, I know a lot of people who like the Kevin being a hero thing ;;; Your word choice is making it sound like that EVERYONE in the fanbase thought that way..when there is a sizable amount of people who enjoyed it. Just saying, ebe careful with wording.

Also...bad choice on Vilgax and Sunder with justifying Servantis...remember, Vilgax is a war mongering nutball and Sunder is a bounty hunter. Servantis is meant to be this dude who was meant to protect the people of the universe, not just this one thing.

And as for the castle thing...there are forts in America, tey could have changed them up. Besides, they can bribe people to make people think its something else.

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Kevfilms2x2 In reply to Shadow-DJ [2015-12-27 06:35:22 +0000 UTC]

"The wedding...between Joel and Camile, the two who met and fell in love on the field, was 'centuries' ago? Uh...wha? They were the ones who fell and love and set the peace. That wasn't 'centuries' ago, that was likely a couple years prior to the series itself."

The flashback clearly shows plenty of plumbers in battle, and Joel and Camille were shown to be younger in that flashback. So yes, the wedding was planned, just never commissioned.

"ALso..you're saying that it was 'pissing off hte entire fanbase'..I've met a lot of people who would disagree wtih that. Heck, I know a lot of people who like the Kevin being a hero thing ;;; Your word choice is making it sound like that EVERYONE in the fanbase thought that way..when there is a sizable amount of people who enjoyed it. Just saying, ebe careful with wording."

It's very clear you haven't went to TVTropes then.

First of all, I'm not saying that that the ENTIRE fanbase hated the heel face turn. I'm saying the Majority of the fanbase hated it.

I also know a lot more people who hated his convoluted heel face. Your point?

If people never hated it? Why was most of the information regarding Kevin's sudden turn explained TOO LATE?!
Why wasn't this "Osmosian" Excuse explained sooner? What about Kevin's dad? Or His supposed father figure? Why were they never mentioned sooner? Why were they never mentioned afterwords?

"Also...bad choice on Vilgax and Sunder with justifying Servantis...remember, Vilgax is a war mongering nutball and Sunder is a bounty hunter. Servantis is meant to be this dude who was meant to protect the people of the universe, not just this one thing."

Servantis is a Rooter, which are Spec ops of the Plumbers. They go freely about with their own missions. Proctor has his own beliefs, his main mission was to stop the "Coming Storm". Someone like Ben could use it for evil purposes (especially since he now controls Alien x). So don't you think this makes sense enough?


"And as for the castle thing...there are forts in America, tey could have changed them up. Besides, they can bribe people to make people think its something else"

Yes, but these forts are WAY different that in England. Even if that was the case, including bribing people, guess what IT NEVER HAPPENNED, UAF still never explained it!

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Shadow-DJ In reply to Kevfilms2x2 [2015-12-27 07:00:11 +0000 UTC]

Again, sorry if I am upsetting ya...

MAybe from now on, instead of discussing the show that we're Clearly on different pages on, maybe we can just compare notes with our stories so we don't keep getting into these kinda-honestly endles debates? ;;; I rather not make anyone upset just because I like something they don't.

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Shadow-DJ In reply to Kevfilms2x2 [2015-12-27 06:41:20 +0000 UTC]

We are going in circles, aren't we?

Sorry for keep bringing up stuff that is clearly making you not so happy (With a lot of your choice words, you are clearly not in a good mood talking about it...)...so how about for now on, I'll keep comments to myself and not talk about this stuff anymroe...

I like to have alevel thing with ya, but I Guess henever I bring up that I did like UAF and have to defend what I like, it seems you come out like, well...kinda mad at times. Not aLL The time, but at th emoment?...yeah...you sound upset...

SOrry...I do get what you're saying, but I do like the show...but when I try to at least try and defend it, it seems you're ready to take it apart bit by bit...and it's almost making me feel kinda guilty for even LIKING a show, ya know? I know that's not your intention...but it starts to make me feel that way with a lot of the use of what is essentially yelling in your comments/

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Kevfilms2x2 In reply to Shadow-DJ [2015-12-26 05:31:21 +0000 UTC]

KELLER
(Stops making out with Gwen)
Did you hear something?

GWEN
Don't know, don't care.

(Gwen pushes Keller to the wall and makes out)

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Shadow-DJ In reply to Kevfilms2x2 [2015-12-26 05:44:05 +0000 UTC]

Guardians!Kevin: (Shrugs) Eh, different times right Doc?
Paradox: Heh, at least you've grown a bit unlike your other counterparts...
Guardians!Kevin: Eh, Ben grew on me. So sue me. (portal closes)

YEah...that's a taste of my take of Kevin He's a tad more mature but still more on the lines of the anti-hero role

As I said, I am gonna do some expansion on the reformed Kevin since, as you now, I am a fan of the character ;;; (And honestly found him more interesting as a reformed hero than a villain...honestly felt he was bland as a bad guy. ;; Your take of Evil!Kevin sounds good though )

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Kevfilms2x2 In reply to Shadow-DJ [2015-12-26 06:46:30 +0000 UTC]

KELLER
(mumbles in Gwen's lips)
You sure you didn't hear anything?

GWEN
(Turns off the lights, still making out with Keller)

My take on Kevin will have more of a complex background, he comes back, but he wants answers to why he's back. And whoever brought him back, the Brotherhood knows. And by the time he finds out? LEt's just say, many things well start to forshadow Ben 10K.

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Shadow-DJ In reply to Kevfilms2x2 [2015-12-26 07:13:55 +0000 UTC]

The original Ben 10K, yes? I do like that you're expanding o that future while keeping it kinda open on who could actually be Ken's mom...

Though I do have to admit...Gwen Jr. (you know, Ben's dauhter) looks kinda light skinned to be Kai's JUST saying XP So it could be a Channel Chasers thing with your future, you don't know who's Ben's wife at that time

And yeah, as I did say, I am expanding on Kevin's time with Ben and Gwen outside of what the show tells, going into further detail on the idea of Ben and Gwen teamnig up with the former villain and how he'd readjusted to civilian life, since it's likely Ben and Gwen kept him on a leash so tight you'd think he'd have to tie himself to their legs to keep them that close. Heck, I can kinda buy that his garage was within walking distance so they could always check on him.

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