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yuyuren In reply to snackeez [2015-10-16 07:43:37 +0000 UTC]

Im so agree with you  I feel very bad bad bad for for jason T^T

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snackeez In reply to yuyuren [2015-12-05 18:03:45 +0000 UTC]

Me too! But, Bruce's mind was not in the right place.

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snackeez In reply to RascalJoy [2015-10-07 05:32:17 +0000 UTC]

I know I'm crying right now

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PokeMars In reply to OlderTwin [2018-03-19 04:59:41 +0000 UTC]

What is the fic name I want to read it but I can't find it help😥

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Coolcat125 In reply to PokeMars [2018-04-14 02:09:10 +0000 UTC]

It’s called ‘Little Robin that’s was lost forever no more’

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PokeMars In reply to Coolcat125 [2018-04-14 02:25:52 +0000 UTC]

Thank You

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yuyuren In reply to Neino [2015-10-16 07:58:33 +0000 UTC]

so true I cry so much when i read this part of comic it's look like bruce never care  jason 
throwback when jason comeback from death he just said jason should meet psychologist 
that why I hate bruce

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Shega9146 In reply to Neino [2014-05-11 16:28:30 +0000 UTC]

Yeah..
From the first place Jason always feel he abandoned because bruce dont revenge for him and now bruce make him recall about his traumatic experience, his death, for damian's sake. Its must be hurt badly.
I know bruce was sad because he lost his real son but..but.. do this to Jason?!!! Oh bruce

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insane2201 In reply to PrincessPandaCake [2013-05-23 04:25:58 +0000 UTC]

Sorry this is long winded...

Well from what I know. In the Jason Todd comics recently a mystical person/being has erased Jason's memories of all the bad things that happened to him. This included the Joker killing him, the joker revealing he was using him as a pawn the whole time to hurt Batman, as well as a trap Joker did to his helmet. I am unsure if the trap scarred his face or not though.

Any who, back to this part. Bruce/Batman asks Jason Todd/Redhood for help. He brought him to a place that reminded him of how he died by the hands of the Joker. Bruce wants to bring Damian back somehow. Probably by tracking down the pit the Brotherhood of Shadows used to bring Jason back. Mostly because prior to all this Damian was killed.

Jason having flashes of the repressed memories did not wish to remember any of these bad things and had a fight with Bruce/Batman. Jason turning his back and walking away.

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Fullmetal-Knight In reply to insane2201 [2013-10-01 04:25:07 +0000 UTC]

It wasn't even a spot that reminded him. Bruce literally tricked Jason to the VERY spot that Jason died trying to save himself and his mother.

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LiveByTheCreed26 In reply to insane2201 [2013-09-01 14:36:24 +0000 UTC]

So how did the young Jason Todd comes in play?

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BBBBGarden-Golden In reply to LiveByTheCreed26 [2014-05-10 04:45:30 +0000 UTC]

I'm pretty sure you are refering to the picture... anyway, I think that Jason was remembering even feeling like those times that he would fight alongside Batman as Robin, but the kind of manipultation, of trickery that Batman used shattered those feelings, so his "younger self" is watching, impotent while Red Hood and his father figure exchanged blows. When Red Hood just turns away, unwilling to continue this joke, the younger self tries to reach out to Bruce, but his present counterpart stops him, shaking his head, as if Bruce, the whole situation is just not worthy it. His younger self watches Bruce sadly, but, heartbroked, turns his head as well, in the third panel from down to up, you can see tears on Robin's face. This is very sad and Bruce was a complete jerk and all the curses in existence...

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insane2201 In reply to LiveByTheCreed26 [2013-09-02 05:17:29 +0000 UTC]

In the comics or in this picture?

Because if it's in the picture it might mean that Jason Todd still holds some respect for Batman even though he was trying to make him relive his death.

In the comics it's mostly because batman was trying to make him remember his death which happened when he was a kid. My guess is Batman was going to try and track down a Lazarus pit and use the one Ra's al Ghul did to restore Jason with. Problem would be it would drive him a tiny crazy like Jason got tainted by it.

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inginuyasha In reply to insane2201 [2013-06-14 03:34:02 +0000 UTC]

What issue and what comic is that >_< please tell me.

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insane2201 In reply to inginuyasha [2013-06-14 05:16:39 +0000 UTC]

Batman and Red Hood #20 for the Batman and Jason Todd bit

Red Hood and the Outlaws #20 for him being made to forget things.

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inginuyasha In reply to insane2201 [2013-07-25 03:24:16 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much ^_^

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inginuyasha In reply to insane2201 [2013-06-16 00:29:33 +0000 UTC]

Thank you ^_^

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PrincessPandaCake In reply to insane2201 [2013-05-23 20:57:49 +0000 UTC]

Oh man..Poor Jason!~ So he doesn't help revive Damian then? I kinda see why though. Jason got messed up leaving the Lazarus Pit so Damian prolly would come out way worse.

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BBBBGarden-Golden In reply to PrincessPandaCake [2014-05-10 05:02:01 +0000 UTC]

Jason wasn't ressurrected by the Lazarus Pit, he was ressurected because Superboy Prime did a punch so hard that it fractured the time frame and "corrected" a death that sould never had happened, Jason literally clawed his way out of his own coffin (as if his life wasn't traumatic enough), anyway a lot of stuff happens you shold read Batman #25 Annual (1940-2011) it explains EVERYTHING, from how and why he was brought back to life, how he ended up in Talia's care and all that jazz. Back to the topic, the Pit was used to restore his MIND, even thou he came back, the damage the Joke was also fresh, suffocation in his coffin did the rest and he was bran dead... there are many theories why he became "crazy" involving the Pit;
1-He dumped into the Pit when Ra's was using it (there never was a time that TWO people were in the Pit at the same time) so Ra's socyopath personalities, his "dark nature" might have influenced Jason. If you think about it, Jason's belief is almost the same as Ra's, they only kill if necessary, but they kill with purpose, believing that they were making the world a better place.
2-He didn't stay in it long enough to heal him completely (Talia pushed him when Ra's has already entered and got him before her father emerged) so it's possible that his psyque was damaged by it.
Those two are most accepted.

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PrincessPandaCake In reply to BBBBGarden-Golden [2014-05-11 16:42:14 +0000 UTC]

-brain farts-
Too much sadness...not enough bunnies....

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ChasehaWing In reply to PrincessPandaCake [2013-11-24 12:26:58 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, but he PROBABLY would have helped any way he could if Bruce had just ADKED him instead of doing...THIS!  This is the worst thing you could possibly do to a person! DAMN YOU BRUCE! YOU DON'T DESERVE YOUR SON! 

This is actually the issue I give up on Bruce and decided Jason does not deserve him... it was the most depressing decision I ever had.

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PrincessPandaCake In reply to ChasehaWing [2013-11-24 23:25:08 +0000 UTC]

It really is sad because even if this is all true...Jason still wants a daddy.  Unfortunately Damian being the biological son is getting in the way. For all of them really...cept Dick. Everyone loves Dick. XD (No pun intended)

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ChasehaWing In reply to PrincessPandaCake [2013-11-26 10:56:59 +0000 UTC]

Actually its not so much that Damian is Bruce's biological son. The only one really effected by that was Tim, and mostly because Damian kept using it for a reason TO TRY AND KILL HIM! ("I was a bit rambunctious." "YOU WERE A BIT PSYCHOTIC!") That was not the best first impression, and considering he was replaced soon afterwards by him...yeah it was a dark time for Tim. However its clear Bruce loves them all equally, he would be reacting the same way if any of his other kids died. In fact this was exactly how he reacted after Jason's death as well. The real issue is...Bruce is treating them All like crap ad has forgotten not only that they're human beings, but also that they're his sons! He just had the most EMOTIONAL/ HEALING/ BEAUTIFUL HUG with Jason one issue before, where he was almost promising he was about to be his father again, that he would watch over him, that they were going to start off on a clean slate, that it was time for him to return and forget the past- AND THEN HE THREW THE SIT AT HIM! HE USED HIM! HE ABUSED HIM! IN HIS MADNESS HE DIDN'T THINK OF JAY AS A PERSON BUT A TOOL! AND I WILL NEVER FORGIVE HIM FOR IT!  *rant mode*

huff...huff...huff.. sorry, I know its been a few months, but it still makes me angry. But yeah, its not so much that Damian is biological, and more just that..well... he was Bruce's baby. He was was his son and now he's... gone. I still don't believe it excuses him for what he's doing to the family though, and I hope when the time comes, that To punches the shit out of him, and that Kory gives him a death threat. Because someone has to do it, and god damn it they will probably not forgive him for how he treated his son/ their best friend/ possible future romantic partner.... I ship it (sorry.).

In the end though it wasn't Damian that's in the way, so much as their baggage between them. Jason's inability to understand unless you tell him something up straight (like "I love you.") and Bruce's stupid pride stopping him from saying what he needs to. Their issues go back LONG before Damian, but I will not deny the pain off his loss has effected B greatly. 

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PrincessPandaCake In reply to ChasehaWing [2013-12-18 15:38:03 +0000 UTC]

O0O"""" I am sad now. Poor Jason!

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Mathiais In reply to PrincessPandaCake [2014-05-17 05:44:32 +0000 UTC]

At this point Bruce is just probably so shattered that he's really not thinking correctly or at least not thinking of the consequences. He lost Jason and that nearly killed him, tore his mind apart and cause him to almost fall to darkness (killing). The now it's happened again and he's so desperate to figure out a way out. Remember Bruce lost his first family as a young man when his parents were murdered. Loosing family and people he loves is likely a near neurosis with him. Plus this time I assume he's trying to avoid the same mistakes he did with Jason. He didn't avenge Jason by killing Joker, nor did he attempt to "save" him ( not that he likely even knew that such a thing was possible). But now he does, he knows that the Lazarus pit can under certain conditions restore life ( now that the whole crisis and Superboy punch has been removed and Jason's revival streamlined to just be due the effects of the pit in the new 52). Since Damien's killer the clone is dead, all Bruce can do is to revive his son. And as much as I hate to admit it, Jason has been dead or at least assumed so for over a decade, meaning he doesn't share the same bond that Dick and Tim share with Bruce after being partners for so many years. Plus add to that his psychotic and murderous behavior I'm not certain that Bruce considers him family, or perhaps he doesn't consider him in the same light as his other three sons. Perhaps his strained mind drawing from these buried feelings has rationalized that the bad seed could be sacrificed for the good of one of the good apples, not something Bruce would ever do intentionally in a sound state of mind but perhaps his distraught nature currently lead him to make these series of callous and cruel decisions. I do hope that Damien is either revived or in the process trying Bruce realizes he's lost one son and has basically thrown away another and returns to get Jason back and prevent his return to darkness. 

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