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BillyDBunny [2019-09-16 19:49:13 +0000 UTC]
live.staticflickr.com/7199/133… This is the justly famous Boxer of the Quirinal, a Greek statue, probably looted, and buried in antiquity. Those are not padded guards, these are reinforced knuckles. One version of boxing in ancient times had two men sitting across from each other, on a signal they would start fighting. Death was common. Now I find an article that says those are not traditional cestae -
Boxing in ancient Greece was a bloody sport, made bloodier and more brutal by the thin leather wraps that boxers wore as gloves. The himantes meilichai were intended to protect the hands (although not the fingers), not the head or face of the opponent. There has long been a misconception that the Greek’s used caestus, a leather glove studded with bits of metal and glass, apparently adopted from the Romans. But historians now challenge that the caestus were ever truly in use. Roman historian Hugh Lee argues that neither Greeks nor Romans sewed bits of metal into their gloves, and that other historians “misread the evidence to push the notion of Roman decadence.” fightland.vice.com/blog/the-bl…
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KillingjarStudios In reply to BillyDBunny [2019-09-16 21:27:12 +0000 UTC]
Everything is a lie!!!! Thank you for bringing me the truth...you are a man-bunny amongst bunnies! lol, interesting stuff though...I always love learning the origin of things
I'm just glad I didn't have to make Liam Neeson's "gloves" from The Grey!
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BillyDBunny In reply to KillingjarStudios [2019-09-16 21:55:24 +0000 UTC]
Actually I am Billy's agent/minder. The name is advertising. Don't be sure that article is 100 percent correct, I have read that the Romans did use spiked cestae and I don't doubt it at all. With padding you can hit the head, bare knuckle it was not a good idea to do that. Deaths in the ring skyrocketed after gloves came in. You will notice in the old photos how low the hands are carried. That was to protect the midriff, the main target. In the old days (London Prize Rules) all you had to do was make it to the line in the middle of the 'ring', (coming up to scratch) and then you could fall and get another rest, maybe 30 seconds. Some of these fights went on for hours. The really horrible thing to me was that the fight went on outside no matter what the weather. The last bareknuckle championship fight in the U. S. was John L. Sullivan vs. Jake Kilrain in 100 plus degree heat in a forest in Mississippi. Both of them were drunk on whiskey at the end of it and I am surprised that neither one died. For all his problems (alcoholism, racist prick, loudmouth) John L. was a very hard hitter and no one you would want to get into it with. Kilrain must have been in fantastic shape, he died as a nightwatchmen somewhere.
You've heard of the Wild Man of Borneo? His name was Oofty Goofty and he would walk into a bar and you could hit him wherever you wanted for a dollar. He made that offer to John L. who immediately worked him over with a pool cue and that was the end of ol' Oofty's career, ha ha ha! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oofty_Go…
I've never seen The Grey, but there was an Israeli commando who had a sort of scissors built into a glove, one punch and it would sheer a windpipe, killing the target silently. No thanks, a silenced .45 would do it for me. I'm a traditionalist!
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KillingjarStudios In reply to BillyDBunny [2019-09-17 18:47:38 +0000 UTC]
Maaaan, there is always someone who ruins the fun with a pool cue!
It's interesting stuff and I'm surprised neither of those two died of heat stroke. Eh, in The Grey, at the very very end, he has some of those airplane mini-bar bottles which he breaks the tips off and tapes them to his hands to make glass gloves. I'm sure you can find a pic of it somewhere on the net. Surprising it never took off in the fashion industry....
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BillyDBunny In reply to KillingjarStudios [2019-09-17 19:40:30 +0000 UTC]
That's because when you think 'fashion' you don't think 'Liam Neeson', a great actor but with a face like a sad lion. I see a girl in Chicago stabbed a woman while wearing a Scream mask, so there does seem to be some kinda trending going on. The Sullivan - Kilrain fight was one of your more brutal. Both those guys had to be in outstanding condition. Sullivan dominated, but most people could not go very long with him at all. William Muldoon, the great physical fitness cat, kept John L. sober during training, once paying all the bars in town to close. Sullivan was in the best condition of his life. By way of comparison, the Willard-Johnson fight in Havana, 1915, was way the hell over a hundred degrees and in the sun to boot. It went 26 rounds before Jess could knock out Jack Johnson, who was 40 and fat. Jess was the strongest man to ever hold the championship and he trained hard, Johnson partied. And this was Queensberry rules, 3 minute rounds with gloves. I don't see how two such big men could handle it.
static1.squarespace.com/static… 104 degrees!
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KillingjarStudios In reply to BillyDBunny [2019-09-17 21:59:31 +0000 UTC]
Well, he's sad because he has a very particular set of skills which means that all of his loved ones are doomed to be kidnapped, killed, or forced to watch Darkman, Krull, and Rob Roy on a loop!
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BillyDBunny In reply to KillingjarStudios [2019-09-17 22:41:40 +0000 UTC]
Krull was forgettable, Rob Roy just nasty, but Darkman is tops! After all, we are dealing with no other than Rha's al Ghul his ownself. i.pinimg.com/564x/60/14/0c/601…
I still have my copy of this, Neal Adams at his best, when not saying that dinosaurs were so big because the gravity of the Earth used to be half of what it is now.
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BillyDBunny In reply to KillingjarStudios [2019-09-18 16:55:44 +0000 UTC]
12 mass extinctions so far at least. We are one war away from another one. Ya can't win for losing!
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