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Kimanda β€” Celtic Influence Tree

Published: 2013-01-30 00:48:47 +0000 UTC; Views: 2018; Favourites: 18; Downloads: 7
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Description Here is my "genealogy tree" of my Insular Celtic OCs, which I somehow managed to spell incorrectly on the picture. As I have told some of you before, I don't approve of the mama!nation theory because it forces you to pair two entities together who may have had horrible relations and I don't like how some people just go "lol, she was raped by him and then she gave birth to this nation". I determine family links through influences, cultural, linguistic and historical. In my view, all the characters you see above consider each other as siblings. No mother and father. This is very rough but it has the main idea of how the Celts in the British Isles are related to each other.

Ireland may have been originally Brythonic/British along with his sisters Albion and Pictland but then Gaels came and settled in Ireland, Gaelicising him. (which is why the light green becomes dark green) Ireland then has strong influences on Isle of Man and Scotland, ensuring that they'd be thoroughly Gaelic too. He had some influence on Brittany too when she was emigrating back to the mainland... though I don't know how strong the influence was (have to look it up) so that might be removed in my next re-do. And of course he had influence on Northern Ireland but it wasn't very heavy in the beginning.

The Pictish line is short and a bit more comprehensive. Pictland was British like her sister Albion/Britannia but when the Picts were pressured by the Romans, they became estranged and broke off from the Ancient British line. I know she inhabited Shetland and Orkney so there would be influences on them. (need to identify other islands though) And to be perfectly honest, Scotland was in origin a Picto-Gael kingdom. Just the Pictish characteristics were lost or became integrated to the extent that you don't notice them unless you really search for them.

The messiest line is the Brythonic/British one. There was heavy fragmentation and I've identified at the very least all these smaller siblings... any less would sadden me because they all deserve some recognition of being different from the others. Sure two fled back to the mainland and one of them seems to have forgotten their Celtic culture with only a bit of their music remaining. Sure from the four who remained in Great Britain, one became Germanic, another died, another was almost extinguished through Anglicization which really leaves us with only Wales standing. But it was an extensive family and I think they share fond memories when they were together. (before life forced them to be pushed into different directions.) Cumbria had a good amount of people migrating to Wales, hence why he influenced him. Welsh tribes also migrated to Cornwall which is why Wales influenced Cornwall. Most migrations to Brittany came from Cornwall but it was noted that most people leading them were Welsh. XD And Brittany influenced Britonia too. Eh, it is very messy as you can see.

And Northern Ireland is a mix of Irish, Scottish and English. I considered briefly putting Wales as an influence because Welsh settlers when to the Ulster plantation as well but I don't know how much of an effect the Welsh settlers had. I need to look into this too. Sorry for the overall messiness, hope this is still interesting.
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MORlKAMI [2013-07-23 10:56:38 +0000 UTC]

*take's Shetland*

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Kimanda In reply to MORlKAMI [2013-07-24 00:56:44 +0000 UTC]

Oi, where are you taking her? ._.

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MORlKAMI In reply to Kimanda [2013-07-24 08:48:21 +0000 UTC]

No-where*runs away*She's my Hetalia oc

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Kimanda In reply to MORlKAMI [2013-07-24 23:42:59 +0000 UTC]

Well I am a bit confused. You have your own Shetland OC but the one you're taking here is mine. ._.

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MORlKAMI In reply to Kimanda [2013-08-01 19:33:31 +0000 UTC]

*gives your one back*

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MORlKAMI [2013-05-19 21:19:22 +0000 UTC]

they look Awesome

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Kimanda In reply to MORlKAMI [2013-05-20 23:38:03 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!

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hachko [2013-02-01 20:06:38 +0000 UTC]

Oh god. I'm so tired of the β€žmother Albion is the mother of Ireland, Wales, England and Scotland" thing, as same as I'm tired of β€žIreland is the youngest sibling” thing. Great job. I will surly use it if I'm going to work on my oc Ireland and Scotland again. especially that this HC came out from a really popular artist who can not tell the difference between Ireland and N. Ireland =_='

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Kimanda In reply to hachko [2013-02-08 02:49:28 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, that headcanon really exasperates me because it makes no logical sense but no one wants to listen. X_x But there is simply no reasoning behind making Ireland the child of Albion, especially since they're more likey to be siblings than anything else. And I am sick and tired of people making Ireland the youngest sibling, Irish culture is one of the oldest surviving cultures of Europe. *grumbles* I don't really know which artist you're referring to but I may have a suspicion who it is. Sadly, if a popular artist says something, everyone believes them more and they brush off the people who actually do the research.

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Shinkai-Haro [2013-01-30 02:11:18 +0000 UTC]

Oh those Brythons. I'm especially interested in Britonia over there, I haven't read much about them- By the way. Do you think Devon could potentially have a personification that's dead now? I've been looking into it myself and they seem to have a bit of a distinct culture- they even had a language long ago that seems to have been wiped out. Only the Devonian dialect has any traces of it anymore... But it IS interesting.

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Kimanda In reply to Shinkai-Haro [2013-02-01 01:19:24 +0000 UTC]

They're certainly complicated! Britonia kind of appeared suddenly in my research, there sadly isn't so much information available on him. But seeing as there was a strong migration from Albion and Brittany to that area of north-western Spain, I felt that he needed to be represented. Though he would be very estranged from the other Celtic nations as he lost his Celtic language in the Middle Ages, he wouldn't be considered part of the Celtic nations if it wasn't for Wales and Isle of Man insisting. - Hmm, it is very possible, Devon was originally Celtic after all and contributed to the migration from Britain to Brittany. I've had some ideas about Devon (I'm still not certain over gender but possibly a him) but I haven't spent so much time on him as I haven't found that much information on how long he remained Celtic and what remained. Is Devon's culture distinct enough even today? Would Devon have been considered distinct from Cornwall back then? Were they one and the same? Hmm, I'll have to check all of that out. It is also possible that some Celtic traits might have survived in their dialect, it is an interesting theory. ^^ I'll certainly have a look because if Devon is distinct enough to have a representation, that would make the Brythonic family even larger than before.

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