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On the theme of the iconography of Joan of ArcRelated content
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Are you a Russian Uniate Catholic? Is so, That’s fine, but If not, I’m glad that there are more open minded Russian Orthodox to Western Theosis then I used to think. I’m Western Orthodox and am of the Opinion that the Great Schism was a much more gradual process than Orthodox in general and MOST Russian Orthodox in particular seem willing to acknowledge. God didn’t abandon the West entirely, and the fruits of what Orthodoxy remained have born fruit here.
I see a new flourishing about to sprout in abundance in defiance of the modernists.
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I am Orthodox, but personally this does not prevent me from sympathizing with some Catholic saints.
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Hello Kimberly, and a Solomon and contemplative Lent to you.
Ah, good. An important step in eventual reunification (or at least more Western Rite tolerance) is getting that culturally snobbish stick out of the collective butt that a lot of Russians have, you must admit. France had changed little since before the Schism, Which enabled her to live close to Orthodoxy in her ways, living daily the Divine Liturgy of Saint Gregory the Great since infancy, (in a region washed clean in the blood of Orthodox Martyrs), and far away was the influence of such as Duns Scotus’s heretical historical revisionism (to justify papal ‘infallibility’) that was just beginning to gain weight as an ironic propaganda tool against heretical-ish kings ignoring or attempting to puppeteer the authority of bishops, such as Henry 2 versus Archbishop Becket. The kangaroo court that illegally convicted Joan was a side effect of those struggles, with the LEGITIMATE Inquisition’s resources spread thin at the time. Contrary to popular culture, 95% of the Inquisition’s work was focused on the Western Church’s internal affairs, and MOST accused “Witches” were exonerated by them or declared merely insane. That’s not to say I prefer that system for Orthodoxy. I’ve come to like how we police ourselves better as I learn more about us (I am a Catechumen), ESPECIALLY since it is not dependent on something like the Papal States to finance everything. Rome lost the ability to police their priests in 1850, and it SHOWS.
(Going off on a slight tangent), Most arguments for a married clergy coming from Protestants and from liberal Romans are defending the idea for the wrong reasons. The idea of “repressed” men eventually bursting with so much lust that they would boink anything, including children, is an EVIL slander against legitimate Celibates, who should always be honored for their sacrifice. I’m not saying it was right, but a mandatorily celibate diocesan clergy DID work prior to 1850 (MOST of the time) because the Inquisition was a well oiled machine that quietly and effectively investigated allegations of corrupt priests, and where they were found guilty, they were just as quietly removed. They knew that common knowledge of a corrupt shepherd was harmful to the faith, so this work was done mostly on the downlow. It was very effective, except that organizing and financing it required an incorruptible top to oversee this ‘neck’s’ administration to the middle and bottom. That meant the Popes had to stay resolutely “orthodox”, as they understood it. I think the concept of “papal infallibility” arose to justify supremacy (which arose to justify the Carolingian rivalry to Byzantium), less about “Ex Cathedra” pronouncements, then to be able to say “The Pope cannot teach error”. Orthodoxy knows better, that ONLY a legitimate Ecumenical Council cannot teach error.
Our Bishops are a Confederated Hierarchy, so if one branch becomes irrevocably corrupt or heretical it can be (tragically) amputated from the rest. It is painful but autocephaly insures our survival and Correct Thinking of the Universal Church endures. Rome’s insistence on “Universal Jurisdiction” left them with no such backup once their states were stolen by the new Italian government, causing the Inquisition’s collapse. Had they allowed diocesan priests to marry immediately after that, most of their current problems could have been avoided.
This is because, HOW would predators flourish within the Orthodox clergy in the same way without incurring the wrath of their fellow priests?? On average, about every other alter boy is HIMSELF the son of other priests, or are close friends to a boy who is! Also, pedophiles have more difficulty hiding their perversion from a wife. No dad would sit still for a corrupt fellow priest who was hurting his children! He would go over any weak, appearance obsessed Bishop’s head, not meekly trust naively the local system.
Furthermore, A pedo aiming for the power of an Orthodox Bishop would have quite the gamble, having to become a monk and HOPE he gets picked relatively quickly, before the isolation overwhelms his pretense to piety. More likely he’d get caught molesting a novice, and promptly get kicked out, perhaps over a cliff.
I’m not so naive as to say a predator NEVER succeeds in our communion, but he has to be diabolically lucky, like ending up in an isolated parish with a weak wife he can abuse into silence.
Our system also made an abuse against an innocent like Joan very unlikely. Joan, and the similar abuse against the Templars 100 years earlier, was a result of the Inquisition FAILING from being stretched thin. Our Bishops, however, would most likely not all be too corrupt in one archdiocese to not call a formal council for such a dire accusation. One WAS called for in Joan’s case, but it was obfuscated by the English, taking advantage of the political chaos in Rome at the time, as such a council needed Papal authorization! In contrast, Local Orthodox bishops can call one on their own initiative in a similar situation most of the time, without necessarily going to the Patriarch, especially if he’s far too busy or distant or cut off by war.
These are among the many things I’ve come to learn that prove Orthodox catholicism is both true and preferable.
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The modern Christian church generally has many problems. But I will not discuss them, as well as church politics, but at the same time history. Let people who are directly involved in this do this.
I can only express my personal opinion. And it is this: The main thing is that a person who considers himself a Christian is really trying to relate his life to the gospel commandments. For me, this will be more important than what branch of Christianity it belongs to, western or eastern.
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Oh, well, Forgive my ranting. Just a catechumen’s selfish bursting with thoughts that interest me but aren’t necessarily necessary to discuss. I really shouldn’t be doing so now anyway. I’m TRYING to get away from the temptation to rant, which means for me i should get away from easy internet but it’s been hard because technical problems keep bringing me back in. I really want to live the Orthodox life but my community is so spread thin, especially Western Rite, that I just wanted to talk, but I’m not always clear on what is appropriate.
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You know, something influences us all the time, and often there are a lot of contradictions around and in ourselves. And the most likely reliable compass is our conscience, the main thing is to be honest with ourselves. Do not fool yourself. I think this is important. If you accept this, then your choice is easier. And the pressure of society on us, no matter secular or religious, will always be. You either adapt to these rules, agree with them, and live comfortably in them, or are looking for some kind of your own lively and often difficult path.
In general, these are complex topics.
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I just listened to a lecture on Orthodox Iconography with my mother and while she had no problems with traditional Icons themselves, when he compared them to Italian Renaissance realism from the masters, such as Raphael and Michelangelo, he argued that fleshy realism is a distraction from the spiritual meditation that should be the priority of religious art. The original, Orthodox Saint Peter’s Basilica that was commissioned by Constantine had Orthodox iconography, but he argued that the average Renaissance master was less concerned with enhancing the spiritual experience than just using the usual demand for icons and frescos as an excuse to experiment under conditions more tolerant of experimentation. Art that emphasizes THIS world more than the next.
I’ve heard about this perspective from John Pragu on his “Symbolic World” video series, but it hit my mother, a classic art teacher, like a ton of bricks. I have my own mixed feelings about it. Like, perhaps Michelangelo should have included proper Saint Halos in his frescoes, and Christ’s special one. Perhaps he should have also covered God the Father’s face with Golden Triangle, or depicted Him as mostly JUST a Triangle, with His Hand coming out of It to touch Adam’s.
I get THAT Orthodox criticism. It Bugs me whenever Roman Churches presume to depict God the Father’s ‘face’.
I also get his criticism of Raphael demeaning Our Lady by using his mistress as a model for both her AND his “Venus”. It IS demeaning to the Theotokos, when you think it through, and careless, AT BEST, on his part.
But this argument that the Masters’ new style is inherently “decadent” in general, THAT I cannot accept, at least for the frescos. They should not have been allowed by Julian to stray so far from depicting the divine spark, which is what the Halo is for, or from depicting it like some weird floating crown. But everything else? I don’t get the Orthodox vehemence against the rest.
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Very nice calligraphy and medieval inspired drawing.
Are you using gold pen to draw Joan of Arc?
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I am Greek,I Study Russian...I Will be honest and confess that it really confused me!!!! (because of the alphabet)
You gave her the honour she deserved <3 Really great work.
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))) Содержание текста самое общее.
А шрифт, это что-то похожее на Скоропись, он получил распространение на Руси в 17 веке, им активно пользовались писцы царских канцелярий.
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You want me to practise my russian and you did it
I know it Cyrilus and Metodios that brought the alphabet and it similar to greek. I mean it is not a latin based alphabet and out letters are similar.
Thank you a lot for the comment. It is nice to learn something new.
Извините что я не написала по русски,но я не знаю много. Я еще изучаю русский язык. Это мой второй год.
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Да, как ни странно, не смотря на то, что это кирилица в этом шрифте присутствует латинское написание некоторых букв, например N.
Не все мои друзья могут это прочесть)))
Вы явно добились большого успеха за два года)
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Excellent icon work. You wrote her very well. I'd love to see more icon work from you.
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Thank you, I used to do this a lot)
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Your calligraphy enthralls me. (While I detract not a quantum particle from your magnificent watercolor skills.)
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I wanted to write exactly the same, but drawn2pencils worded it better 
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A great woman in medieval history 
Your watercolor technique is so unbeliavable amazing!!!
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