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grisador [2020-05-12 16:41:15 +0000 UTC]
Great!
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Hardwing [2020-04-14 09:49:24 +0000 UTC]
Fantastic work!
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menapia [2020-04-09 12:01:16 +0000 UTC]
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KitFisto1997 In reply to menapia [2020-04-09 23:01:10 +0000 UTC]
Alternate tech development has always fascinated me; it's a shame that there's so few TLs that are dedicated to it. The level of tech development (or lack thereof, depending on the location) is something that the original DD-verse barely touches. There's the odd discussion here and there on the wiki's talk pages, but there's nothing concrete, which does give me some wiggle room.
Your ideas sound quite interesting. What's the background for this TL?
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KitFisto1997 In reply to menapia [2020-04-10 02:01:02 +0000 UTC]
Damn, that's cool! Very well-thought-out, too.
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GameKarim [2020-04-09 11:27:40 +0000 UTC]
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SaunaOperator [2020-04-09 08:53:55 +0000 UTC]
If this is based off of the 1983: Doomday scenario, why did Finland get demolished? I thought that in the main timeline both Finland and Sweden survived without a scratch.
Finnish situation reminds me of the "Protect and Survive" timeline and its Finnish spin-off "The Land of the Sad Songs" from the alternatehistory.com.
Basically after months of tensions between East and West, the war kicks off with Warsaw Pact invasion on 17 February 1984 with nuclear exchange occuring on the 21st. In the timeline, Sweden takes some damage (losing part of Stockholm and some military bases) but is easily the least damaged in the post-exchange Europe. Meanwhile Finland gets pounded with no less than 27 weapons being detonated on Finnish soil. Pre-war leadership, both political and military is destroyed with only a handful of MP's and two cabinet ministers surviving one whom is locked up in an asulym soon afterwards.
In long term the Finnish state is divided in two, in West under the protection of the Swedish is the PPO, Provisional Province of Ostrobothnia and in the east, the Finnish National Authority or the FNA with its capital in Mikkeli.
It seemed to good of a coincidence in this for one part of Finland to be under Swedish protection with the other half having its capital in Mikkeli and NOT be related with the "Protect and Survive".
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KitFisto1997 In reply to SaunaOperator [2020-04-09 10:56:12 +0000 UTC]
Finland's situation is only a shout-out to The Land of Sad Songs. I think I said as much in my Europe map. I never intended to rip it off for any malicious purpose, other than it being a tribute to one of my favourite timelines.
I think, when compared to the Doomsday-verse, it makes the most sense, seeing that the Finns were actively targeted by both sides. How this doesn't happen in the DD-verse (even just a token conventional force or nuclear strike, for that matter) is honestly beyond me. The survival of some of Europe's other neutrals (Sweden, Ireland, Austria) doesn't make that much sense either. This also isn't a 100% faithful adaptation of the Doomsday-verse - it's my own take on it and I've also said as much.
Some things from the DD-verse are flat-out illogical and make no sense (New Britain, for instance), whereas P&S has more thought put into it and makes a lot more sense, lore-wise. I know which of the two I'd rather take partial inspiration from.
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SaunaOperator In reply to KitFisto1997 [2020-04-09 13:45:40 +0000 UTC]
Okay, so it's a mix of both P&S and DD-verse...
Might be good combination as Doomsday struck out to me as bit shallow while the P&S provides a punch to the gut with its fatalism.
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KitFisto1997 In reply to SaunaOperator [2020-04-09 22:43:46 +0000 UTC]
Yep! I'm just grabbing ideas and concepts in from other nuclear war-related TLs, throwing them into a blender, hitting 'puree' and seeing what comes out. That and I'm growing a little tired of seeing the same depressing, fatalistic settings that ultimately make the world into either Threads or Mad Max.
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KuboCaskett [2020-04-09 01:39:30 +0000 UTC]
Cool map, though I don't see Latvia flag-wise.
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KitFisto1997 In reply to KuboCaskett [2020-04-09 03:42:48 +0000 UTC]
Because Latvia's central government was wiped out.
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DaThinDog [2020-04-08 22:28:37 +0000 UTC]
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KitFisto1997 In reply to DaThinDog [2020-04-09 00:33:10 +0000 UTC]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzY-fv…
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mdc01957 [2020-04-08 14:12:29 +0000 UTC]
This looks pretty well-conceived! Good job!
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