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First things first; no, I refuse to acknowledge Bramblestar's Storm, so don't even try. Thank you.Anyyyway, what with all things cats going through my head, why not show some love to one of my least visible pairing?
Yes, I do indeed ship MousewhiskerxIcecloud, I mean come ooon they're both two silly little fluffballs with character, 'course they'd be good together. And can you imagine such a cute little baby they could have?Β
Just look at my little baby Hailkit, a perfectly cute kitten worthy of being spoiled~ ;w;
(c) most disliked Erin Hunter
Art: me (and baby too)
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Hmmm, mostly in my stories he'd be a fluffy, angora-inspired lil cat whose proper description would be "blue spotted tabby" I guess.
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oh that sounds precious...and boy was I way off base. I assumed it was something like what you had for Graystripe's old Purebred design.Β
But playing with genetics is fun! I got an idea to make Swiftbreeze and Robinwing be sisters.
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Hehe well not that far off, it was simply me wanting to focus on the Angora in Icecloud's part of the family (it's not Angoran anymore so these days if I still owned Hail I think he'd be... hmm, a BirmanxRussian Blue mix kinda? I headcanon Daisy's side of the family to be mainly Birman-looking haha)
It really is, it's a lot like lego bricks, you take a few and just start putting them together and before you know it you've got something special~ Oooh fancy idea, and well they do appear kinda similar physically - smallish, limber she-cats and stuff.
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Oooh Hail is finally given life~Β
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Took me several times, but I think I found him his permanent spot.Β
But...I'm a little unsure now. You haven't did Tigerheart yet, but in regards to the whole Purebred project...would Hailpaw need a touch-up of his own? I was thinking about how his parents are both black tabbies, but...so much to consider.
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Woot-woot.Β
Well, Tigerheart will just be the same he ever was as a black tabby - but thankfully Hailpaw won't need anything fixed because his gene turning him grey isn't dominant, so he can stay just the same~
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???
So...Hailpaw is all good? Well, he might not be able to be a long-haired cat (because you took Cinderheart to the groomer and had her shaved). How to imagine Tigerheart in terms of coat type? His mother is short-hair, his dad has some thick fur going on him...???
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Well, Cinderheart has a longhaired mother (ahaha hilarious description omg yes I had her shaved~) and if Tigerheart's parents both carry longhair under their coats Hailpaw could for all intents and purposes stay longhaired. Depends on whether you want it shortened down for your own sake or not really.
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Hmm...well let's see...
Lionheart has long fur, Whitestorm does, Sorreltail does...what about Speckletail? Goldenflower comes off as a shorthair like Smallear and...I kind of picture Speckletail as being a short hair.Β
Well...your Rowanstar has fluffy fur compared to Tawnypelt. I know I imagine Flametail with fairly long hair, Dawnpelt I kind of see as short fur...maybe in between for Tigerheart (thick but short).
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Yeah I see Speckle as a shorthair myself, so she'll likely remain so.Β
Hmm, not a bad idea; Medium hair for Tigerheart would be rather fitting. It'll make him similar to his namesake, but also similar to Bramble at the same time.Β
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Awww, heΒ΄s so cute! I wish they would use him in the books, thatΒ΄s really a great couple :3
Love the way you make the eyes, they look so freakinΒ΄ cute <3
(My OCΒ΄s mate is called Hailheart lmao)
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I'm pleased that you think so, thank you very much!
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I love all your fanbabies, so youΒ΄re welcome
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I pair Icecloud with Thornclaw and I personally have given them....5 kits. 2 full-grown warriors, Thistlepelt like Thornclaw and Crystalfire like Icecloud and 3 kits, Raykit, Pebblekit and Glowkit who are just about to become apprentices. Or do they have to wait........After the Last Hope, let's just say I made the Clans have kittens. ^^ Mousewhisker, I paired with a RiverClan queen, Duskfur and I let her keep her two kits, Podkit [now Podnose] and Curlkit [Curlfeather] but before Curl and Pod even existed, gave Mouse and Dusk two kits, Lakeripple like Dusk [do you know Duskfur?] and Mountainpelt like Mousey.Β
Sorry for my rambling but I couldn't resist. Hehe. I'll take my leave now.
Bye!
~skyclan199
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At least you didn't kill her off. xD
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For my story, I killed most of the old cats. But I gave them honorable deaths, what better way to send a cat off then dying for the good of their Clan and the warrior code?Β
I'm too kind to characters I hate, however. I decided to spare Cinderheart from a death by a Dark Forest cat (as much as I wanted too kill her off), but she will be paired with somebody else...Berrynose. An odd pairing, but if Cinderheart ever acknowledge how she was the perfect warrior...you can certainly see this as an ego shipping or selfish shipping.
How it comes to be? Well Poppyfrost and Berrynose get into a huge argument following the death of their kits. Basically it's a 'this is your fault' 'No, it's yours' kind of quarrel and the couple breaks up. Poppyfrost ends up becoming an assistant (and later mate) to Jayfeather, while Berrynose sulks for a while, then decides to try his luck on the last Bracken x Sorrel sister. Basically, that is what he did, Honeyfern died and yet he hooked up with her sister. Ignoring Lion x Cinder, if Poppyfrost died (or broke up with him), then Cinderheart would be the next cat.
And then...I would make them be the parents of Hailkit in my story...the gray (or is it silver?) comes from Cinderheart while the green eyes come from Berrynose's side.
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Ahahaha yeah it's always weird how kind we can be to those we dislike most~Β
Hmm creepy pairing, but sure, if those are the features you focus on, I can see where it comes from~
Sure, Hailkit's up for grabs anyway, I've exchanged him for a new kitten anyway. He's grey, btw.
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Anyone with Berrynose is creepy TBH, he just seems like the last cat to ever think about having a mate (because he thinks highly of himself).
Oh? What is the name of the new little guy? Thank you, I love Hailkit so much and he will be a welcomed addition to my story, even if his parents...kind of suck.Β
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Haha, well at least I was able to like him with Poppyfrost (mostly because I liked the idea of a cat actually "moving" on, even if she was her sister - that Honeyfern gave her thumbs up helped it further though)
Cloudykit, solid grey with white~ He's my new little kiddie. And sure, please take care of Hailkit, nevermind his parentage. ;D
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Poor Poppyfrost, I wonder how long it took her to wallow over that concern until she nearly died. Epic Honeyfern to kick Breezepelt's butt. With Cinderheart...well I kind of imagine that she may tone him down somewhat. I wasn't too thrilled by how Poppyfrost acted hostile to those who fought with the Dark Forest, just because Berrynose was (and their kids did too)...honestly, I feel like the Clans never tried to get why their Clanmates did it.
My mind is kind of fumbled about where Berrynose and Poppyfrost were during the battle, but losing both kits surely would drive a wedge in their relationship. I do imagine that Honeyfern is like a mother to them (Moleleap and Cherryfern) in StarClan. She hopes that Poppyfrost and Berrynose may get back together, but also accepts if they decide to move on.
OMG he sounds so cute 
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Yeah, she actually warranted pity back then, Poppyfrost really felt guilty; had the erins written her otherwise, I don't think I ever could stand her...
I don't see why the need for any hostility at all, considering all the dark forest trainees bailed at the end, appearing like they had no clue this was what was going to happen; to me, they mostly appeared cowardly. Only Ivypool had the guts to own up at the start. But since none of them properly turned evil (example being that idiot Redwillow) I don't see why the distrust was so necessary. Sure it's logical that there's gonna be a period of doubt following this sort of thing, but not to such a degree.Β
If you kill off both their children, then I imagine it'll be quite turbulent yes... poor kitties.Β
I have many kitten pictures to draw man, Talon and Plume are redesigned, I got two Dovewing kittens, and with the help of a friend I've actually made an acceptable lot of Lionblaze children too.
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Well there is Breezepelt too, but he's always been a bad egg and currently has to redeem himself.
Oh...redesign how exactly? Oh I can't wait to see all these kittens.
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Yes indeed, he needs redemption before the reader can see him in the story and not feel "this ain't right".
Well, made them genetically correct, for one. Talon is now ginger, and Plume's white spotting is gone~ I'll have to draw them all I guess, could make a quickie of them today if I'm able.
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Oh...because Squirrelflight doesn't have it...but what about Princess? If the white spotting isn't present in Firestar's line, then will it not be present in Princess'?
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Exactly.Β
Well Princess inherited white from their mother, Nutmeg, so that works. But Firestar didn't inherit anything, so neither of his daughters could have white either.Β
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AWWW this is soooo cute! I love your artwork so much!!
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Aw thank you very much, I'm really happy you think so!
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to hell with Bramblestar's Storm .-. most unoriginal and lazy way to cut off characters. and what an odd selection, too??? all the young ones with tons of potential?
and i never played with the thought, but Mouse and Ice look cute together, and the baby you gave them is even cuter!
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I know, damn well I know... and it made no sense whatsoever. It's as if the old characters are just too important to go, even if that meant destroying the last hope the clan had for a better gene pool overall... -_-
Aw yaay, thanks! *w* I figured since the two of them were so cute, their baby had to be two times that cuteness~ (yeah the ship doesn't really have much foundation, it was honestly just an idea that popped into my head one day~)
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seriously! like Thornclaw's a cool character and all but it would have made much more sense for the writers to kill him off or other cats of his generation, because Thornclaw is practically ancient at this point and doesn't really do anything anymore. Fox and Ice and that lot had all this blossoming kitty drama that they just discarded because time skip???
well it's a good one! i wish Mouse got more attention.
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Yeah, him dying would be more useful for the gene pool than Fox and Ice and everyone of their generation - Hell Thornclaw wasn't contributing any blood to the new generation either way, and why in goodness gracious must it always be the cats that are finally growing on us who die! :C
Glad to hear it! Yup, he is so much cuter than his siblings ever were.
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Yeah, like there's a part of me that really liked Thornclaw and wished he would have had something more to his life, but if I had to choose between him and the younger cats, I'd have to send him off. Time skip deaths just really peeve me... and there was a whole bunch of them? Like I get that "shit happens" in these books and it was supposed to be a hefty gap of time, but it really felt like they killed off more cats in that one time skip then like... in one series. The same happened with another character I really liked in the first series... Rainwhisker? It was just like oh yeah by the way a tree fell on him or something so eh. And then Erin Hunter isn't really the best with mourning. Sorreltail was just like yeah huh guess both my brothers are dead.
Yeah, Mouse's a cutie. Though I had an especially soft spot for Hazeltail... who of course also had to suffer the stupid time skip curse???
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Sure, that counts for many characters - but then, Thornclaw's been there for such a long time, and so has many other characters, in whom we've invested much more feeling into (ex. Brightheart and co.) So when it's between old characters we're nearly indifferent to, and the younger generation - sorry, but they ought to win for the sake of continuity. ^^'Β
Gosh don't even mention time-skip deaths... they break my heart every time, because they sound the stupider for each time they're used. Gosh yes the Rainwhisker case was a scandal - a book earlier Sorreltail had been so sad over losing her other brother, but Rainwhisker wasn't so bad... right... and I liked Rainwhisker alot too!Β
But the thing between the last hope and Bramblestar's storm, with a total of... let's see, Foxleap, Icecloud, Toadstep, Hazeltail, Sorreltail - five, and all of them healthy cats. Sure Foxleap's wounds were said to be fatal, but the whole greencough thing ONLY killing young, virile cats... no.Β
Even though the erins spoke for years about Hazeltail getting a mate and all, she only ended up dead in the ground like any other...
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Yeah, definitely. :[ Thornclaw at this point has become very much of a background character of his age group. Meanwhile, the Erins spent books introducing us to all this drama with the younger generation. And then to kill off like the entire group in a time-skip? A green-cough outbreak should have been better used to get rid of old characters so that the younger ones could be focused on. I don't know what they were trying to solve, getting rid of almost all the young cats in ThunderClan.
Yeah, it was too many cats for such a stupid thing. :/ If the young ones were going to be killed off, it should have been done in a much more tasteful way. The time-skip deaths just feel lazy and uninspired, like, oops don't wanna play with these ones anymore, how can I get rid of them the fastest?
I was looking forward to Hazel getting a mate! Bunch of empty promises is what they give. >.<
To be honest, I always want to rewrite/continue parts of the book via FF, but once I get around to genetics and stuff like that with characters I want to toss my laptop out the window.;;
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Thornclaw, sadly, became even 'too much' of a background character, only barely making a dialog or two that were few and far between - and he had fairly few facets of personality, mainly just being grumpy. And then, this generation which we've now been excited to see grow up and take over the legacy of their elders, are almost wiped clean off the planet because they were unfortunate enough to be chosen by the authors to die since the Thunderclan allegiance list had grown much too large (I'm supposing, but this ought to be the main reason), leaving us with drama queens like Lionblaze, Cinderheart and Dovewing to carry on... yaay...
Summed up very nicely, and doesn't actually yield anymore respect towards the authors, for such half-hearted reasoning...
Yeah. Same with Ivypool, haven't seen a hair of her so-called 'future mate' either, though she hasn't come so far that the authors have to get rid of her yet. -_-
Yes, same here - I did entertain the idea of rewriting certain parts of the story (like, omitting much of Spottedleaf's presence xD) but getting onto genetics and your head starts to spin SO BAD...
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Yeah, if it wasn't for his name still on the allegiances, I would have assumed he was dead a long time ago. No one even talks about him; not even his own brother and sister. He's also indeed very lackluster in terms of personality, yet they hold onto him-- why? He has nothing to offer, story wise, as far as I can tell, and that's not a jab at his character, just the truth. Just let the poor old guy get his ticket to StarClan.
My immediate reaction was also that they did it just to shorten the list, but why the only interesting characters? It was such a bold move with such poor results. Like my interest in the series. I don't want to continue reading just because it was such a dumb and pointless action; they were the characters with the most personality, and some even showed character development, which is frankly not quite common in this series.
It's like every character is given one trait, and just work off of that for the rest of their life. Like you said, all we really know about Thornclaw is that he's grumpy, and he's a cat who's been in the series since the first few books.
Lionblaze is a horrible Gary-stu. Cinderheart I wanted to love because I adored Cinderpelt, but her drama with Lionblaze had my eyes rolling. Never fancied Dovewing, either. They're unlikable, for me, at best.Β
Sadly, the trouble with Ivypool, I reckon, is deciding which uncle is better to pair her up with. 
ThunderClan is turning into a mixingpot of incest, which the editors are against (it's why Foxleap x Rosepetal never happened), so they have to find a new way to get more new blood into the forest or everyone's going to die alone at this rate.Β
I wasn't even fond of the whole Dark Forest battle thing... with the Power of Three, I just felt like they took too much of a leap into fantasy, and that probably sounds silly, considering they're organised groups of cats who talk to stars, but... up until that point it was pretty mellow? Yeah, I think Spottedleaf also kind of abused the whole visiting the Clans privilege.
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I know right. You barely even heard other characters mention him, excepting perhaps the last book, but that too was rather short. It's mean to say, but I'd rather we were rid of him, he takes up space that could've gone to someone with a fresher viewpoint...
I know! The erins might've done many dumb things through the years, but this tops most of it all... considering the usual amount of character development we get, we lost about 60% of all progress when we lost all these cats. Honestly...
And the worst of all, is that many of the original cats have slowly been scrubbed down to having mainly one or two traits themselves - like Brackenfur. He used to be a little more interesting before, now he's just background filler either as a) veteran kind guy or b) concerned father figure. What happened to giving them all a little more to show for? Say, Cloudtail's one of those who've kept up his manners, but he's one out of... 10?
Same, same. You just summed up my opinion on all three in one go. Lionblaze barely has any personality beyond his special power, Cinderheart went all drama queen and has yet to relinquish the role, and Dovewing whines all. the. time.Β
Ahaha good point. Shame about Toadstep though, I did like the idea of ToadxIvy - he would have tempered her a bit, I imagine...
Well then they should've just merged all four clans and we'd not be having that issue, but noooo~ (okay that was my dream though, but, well... xD)
I don't think anyone with half a mind for storytelling enjoyed the battle thingy-story at all. With plotholes the size of black holes you couldn't think it would be entertaining... true, the fantasy just took a step too far, it was all starting to get rather foreign to me - too much. xD
She really did. Spottedleaf, in my opinion, should have a medal for being the greatest stalker in warriors history (or compared to 'most any book I've read xP) Yeah, that too - their "tragic love story" is portrayed so feelingly, like they knew each other intimately over such a long time - when really, like you said, they knew each other five minutes and it was technically just a young apprentice crushing on a pretty older lady... ugh.
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Yeah. If I had to choose between the older background characters and the poor, sacrificed young ones, I would have to send off the elders. Thorn and Bracken have reached that age, anyway. Grey in the muzzle, they'll be joining Sandstorm and Greystripe soon, if they haven't already.
Aah, yeah, they have. :[ I fell in love with young Bracken's character because he was very much the eager, naive soldier. He was reliable when needed, and he even tried to chase down that bird that snatched Snowkit. Now, right, all we see of him is him being an old, worried dad. No spark at all from his younger days. I thought he'd grow up to be one of those humble, kit-loving elders, but now he's just gotten generic.
A merge would be nice, but then they'd lose all possible border-scuffles, and cross-Clan relationship plots, which clearly the Erins were head over heels for. Ech, just another reason to not like Dovewing... Maybe some kinda devastation will sweep through the forest, and they have to SkyClan-style go looking for new recruits.
I'm skimming the wiki right now and it's just... I prefer the battle with BloodClan so much more. No need to recycle old enemies, Tiger had his reign! Just... they so clearly ran out of good ideas, but kept pushing on the series. It could have died happily a long time ago.
New names and new designs... they're just getting worse and worse.
Yeah, you would have thought they were like childhood friends turned lovers, but she died so quickly after meeting... it's so dumb. duuMMMB.
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Same here, same here. At the very least, Brackenfur's generation, with Brightheart, Cloudtail and Sorreltail could have retired by now, it would make much more sense.Β
It's the fate of sadly so many of the series, to just be generic background kitty-filler. Even as an elder I guess his character would've been more constant, but nooo.Β
Yeah, well in my eyes they'd have their hands full trying to redirect how in the hell these former enemies could possibly live together xD But yeah, a cat pandemic is just about the only solution now to get out of the gene pool issue. Of course, as the population increases and several kinships become more distant it should work itself out, but that requires skipping at least three generations or so~
I know! So do I. The Bloodclan battle had a much more 'do-or-die'-feeling despite it apparently not being as 'epic' as the dark forest battle was supposed to be. You really got the feeling that it was buuilding up throughout the book, and the characters actually pondered "I might very well die tomorrow" - not mentioning the ridiculous recycling of the enemies. Of course Tiger oughta be butthurt that Scourge just knocked him out dead before the climax and all, but seriously... I never saw the appeal in dead cats coming back to life, you might as well have gone completely the walking dead; cat edition instead. U_U
And she always behaved in this creepy way, even when she was alive. The 'love' she expressed was severely twisted, in my honest opinion.Β
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It's true! ThunderClan's going to have the same amount of elders we saw in ShadowClan in the first series if/when Cloudtail and his crew retire. I mean, character-wise, most of them have, anyway, now it's just a matter of getting them in the den officially. I don't know why they hadn't already.
Yeah, it is very unfortunate. Especially because the protagonist's point of view has been so boring... and whiny. I think one of my favourite parts of the new series has honestly been when Squirrelflight confronted Jayfeather about acting like an emo baby when he's not the only one who's been through shit. I was like aaaah yes good.
Ooh, that's true. Natural hostilities, personal vendettas... keeping peace between a huge group of cats who think they have so little in common. With all their different special abilities, treading undergrowth, tree climbing, swimming, running... I wonder how against the cats would be from it? Cause I reckon WindClan cats wouldn't want to leave the moor anyway, and the river would make non-RiverClan cats nervous, perhaps? But I like the idea... no boundaries. Hehe.
That it does, lol. Maybe a cat hunt would be best for the current generation, because then by the second generation already there would be some new and fresh additions to the gene pool.
It did. And it really showed that it was no joke when they killed off Tigerstar in front of everyone, considering the mayhem he caused. I'm not sure how I feel overall about that decision, but I liked that it dodged the possible cliche. Everyone was expecting some Firestar vs. Tigerstar ultimate showdown but just in a few pages, Tiger was done for. It was different.
...Which makes it all the more stupid to make Tigerstar come back later to fill in for the showdown they never got to have. Like, it was unexpected, and it was great. Leave it be. Firestar had already done enough, taking down Tiger wouldn't have made him anymore of a hero. Yeah, no, give us a new threat, not an old, dead one??? Tiger was not at all threatening when he was hiding in the Dark Forest, training other shitty antagonists. I won't even go into the whole DF training sessions thing... ugh.
Yeah, no, it seems... it's weird for sure. Their relationship was not at all developed enough for them to have the attachment to each other that they do in the series. Literally, he liked the way her breath smelled. That's all we know about Firestar x Spottedleaf.
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Yeah, and I think it'd be rather nice, it would be like the first series, with all the elders back then, One-eye, Dappletail and the rest of the gang. I must admit that having only Purdy and Mousefur got a little boring in the long run...
It felt reaaaaal good that someone for the first time shook his selfpity, because seriously you get tired of reading that after a while too. "Ugh I wasn't meant to be born, hate me world" - really? I just wish someone had snapped a little more at Brambleclaw during the course of the fourth series, but we never can be so lucky~
Considering the amount of inter-clan relationships spring forth no matter how severe the rules are, I don't see why they haven't thought of merging before at all. Perhaps they could just move around the lake at times, to make use of all the territories without exterminating all the prey xD
Aye, and it really came out of the blue as well. Sure it might'nt have been the smartest decision story-wise, but it certainly was a point of surprise; and I loved Firestar's reflection on it, annoyed that it hadn't been his claws killing him, and at the same time mourning the cat Tigerstar 'could' have been. I felt that did more justice to Tigerstar's character rather than have him come back from the dead more blood-thirsty than ever.Β
The training sessions were soooooo stupid. Yeah like "hi there we're the evil dudes your mommas scare you with as kittens, we've come to train ya to be better warriors hurr-hurr don't mind the blood on my claws I'm so kind" Who in the deepest hell actually believed that??Β
And the whole scent-thing was just... a bit uncomfortable, to me. He fretted more over her scent than the girl herself xDΒ
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Yeah, I adored the elders! They, among all else, actually had personality. The Hunters have been either forgetting just how old these cats really are, or unwilling to let them retire. In fact, a LOT of cats should be retiring... Bramblestar's older than Goldenflower was when she died of old age. Watch them totally dismiss that he's supposed to be ancient, as far as feral cats go, so that he can be leader for longer and watch his new kits grow up in the next series. And wasn't it established by the Erins, or in the books at some point, that age is the only thing that takes all 9 lives? Squirrelflight and Leafpool are getting on in their years, too. Really, a lot of them should be hitting the bucket, soon... After all, think of how much time we've spent in the new territory. There are still quite a few cats alive who were born in the old forest.
It truly did! I felt like I was speaking through Squirrelflight in that moment ~
Yeah, maybe that'll be Squirrel's new personality quirk. The voice of reason who tries to snap everyone out of their dumb drama.
Sounds like delicious FF material if you ask me. |D I've been writing one-shots of some of the older cats coming to term with their age, but a whole forest merge would be pretty awesome. I wonder if it would last, or if old traditions would hold too true. I want to experiment :'D
Oh, for sure with the justice to his character. We were all surprised because it was the end of Tigerstar. He was gone, dead. If you're just going to bring him back from the dead... ugh. Just come up with new enemies!Β
Yeah, they really were??? Like I'd like to try and do a "next gen" sort of thing with the current cast, but if I did so, I would absolutely have them all dismiss the Dark Forest battle as soon as possible. lol And what a weird assortment of cats they chose for the Dark Forest? And how could they be so stupid as to believe it? Birchfall...?? Mousewhisker?? Blossmfall I guess I understand more than anyone else, but still?? (which reminds me just how much I loathe Millie)
It was! Like that was the beginning of Fire and Spotted's super weird bond.Β
Well, if the Dark Forest did anything, at least they killed her off for good-good (WHICH IS APPARENTLY A THING). This whole spirits war thing is just ugh.
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It feels like they've just forgot how to move on from the cast to the younger generation. But it seems they haven't sat a clear rule for what counts as "old age" in their characters - when calculated, it was revealed Bluestar wasn't even 7 years old when she died, having been described as old and frail and whatnot. Then her daughter, at 12, is still in her prime? Dafuq? Obviously the erins don't know that the average lifespan of a feral cat is 3 years. xD
Aye, it seems to be something she excels at. And frankly, there are enough dramatics in the clan to make her ability useful too! xD
Haha, sounds nice, it could be interesting story-wise to see all the cats intermingle and try and make sense of their new style of living. Note me if you ever do experiment, I think I'd like to see that. 8D
Would've been much better if he'd just gone bye-bye there and then instead of wiping all personality left of him in the afterlife and add some extra maliciousness (like he hadn't enough already) just to spice up the epic-ness in the lamest way ever historically speaking!Β
Oh yeah, I'd just wipe it clean off - sometimes I've dreamt of continuing the story starting with the fourth series and just skipping all the last six books' worth of crap and make something else out of it... And then, instead of actually making their treacherous training interesting, by actually turning on their clanmates, they fled and hid! - Under some silly bushes! WTF. WTH. Seriously, what was even the point?? Blossomfall at least could've been unleashed on her mother, right?Β
I can never get over how much I laughed at the scene when Spottedleaf died all over again. It felt as though a ton had been lifted off my shoulders to finally see her disappear from the series for good. And no, I had no idea dead people could die. Like, again. I don't like Starclan at all, but this, this takes the cake.Β
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They really don't. Goldenflower died of old age at 9 years, though Mousefur lived to 10 and died in a battle, and then we have all our leaders who are 10+ years. So if elders succumbed to old age at 9-10... Mistystar??? They really need to up and move onto the younger cast... not kill them off. There is like no shred of continuity in this series. Or sense.
Speaking of abilities, remember when her and Leafpool used to be able to communicate telepathically or some weird shit? Yeah, me neither.
I think I may just have to! Would have to do a lot of fixing and figuring shit out before I could get the ball rolling, like literally almost assign all new leaders and deputies... and then figuring out what the Clans do with leadership positions when they've all mingled, but it could be fun! And all offspring born post-merge would follow the genetic guidelines of a cat and all would be well!
I agree 100%. I liked that they turned Tigerclaw/star into like a story to scare kits, but they didn't need to bring him back from the dead. It's seriously... it's so dumb. I'm not sure any thought went into anything. It sure doesn't seem that way.
And yeah, I'd love to skip over the whole dumb dark forest battle and just try to continue with the cast, probably more based on the first series. The one that, even with all its own errors, made the most sense. No time traveling or special powers or heaven vs hell nonsense... blech.
Yeah, I read that on the wiki, that they all just hid??? Like, wow good job Tigerstar?? The Erins are too afraid to do like anything with any of their characters. Even if they did betray their Clan, at least they had a damn personality while doing it. At least Blossomfall might have. There was like no point having Birchfall and Mousewhisker in there.
Yeah... dead cats dying... it's just... ??? I think they've forgotten that StarClan isn't an actual Clan. It's... the stars??? I don't know. Everything got dumb.
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No one's got a clue what's going on anymore. Speaking of which, I just glanced in at the allegiance list for Goosefeather's little novella on the wikia, guess what - the erins have made an even bigger mess of the clan's genetics. Again. Now they're even more inbred, because suddenly Bluestar, Snowfur and Swiftbreeze are cousins, hence Whitestorm and Willowpelt are second cousins.Β
Yeah I barely even remembered that part anymore; but as with any special power, it came right outta the blue and was mainly just weird. I always wonder, "Erin Hunter" is always praised at the end of stories for her "interest in standing stones and astrology" - have we EVER seen this incorporated into the story, excepting perhaps the shining stone back in the forest?
Oh but that would be a really interesting allegiance list to read indeed, hmm perhaps the leaders could co-lead, at least in the beginning? So all cats are treated fairly, since the cats' interests don't always match. Omg, genetically correct children~
It's like the one point in the story that any person would just looove to forget, because seriously it's just ridiculous. All of them. Any person would appreciate a "scratch all the shit and rebuild with old ideas"-thought for the warriors' story. But it seems as though it shan't ever come to be again.Β
I know right, the whole plot with the training went straight down the drain and stayed there, stinking up the whole book. It was soooo dumb to read, believe me.
Idk, apparently these books require an inhalation of narcotics beforehand to make us able to read'em through without getting hung up on details and falling into the obvious plot-holes. Yeah, but then in the last book starclan was suddenly parting into sections, like they hated one another...
Speaking of unreasonable, I just reread Into the Wild, and took note of all the supposed Fire x Spotted moments. My findings are thus; he barely takes note of how pretty she is when they're introduced. Their first conversation is short and cordial. So are the two following, though he suddenly starts inhaling her "sweet breath" all outta the blue, starting to show the beginning signs of a kiddie crush. Next time Spottedleaf just pushes her nose into his cheek for no good reason, having given no previous hint of anything other than being a friendlier-than-average cat comparing to many of the other clan cats. One more conversation follow, but then Firepaw is lost grieving for Lionheart and caring for Greypaw, he barely takes notice of her. Lastly she mentions the fire-prophecy near him like some crazy med-cat (that she is xD) and he's only confused. Then bam she's dead and he's crushed and he sniffs her dead body when nobody else is looking and he goes on to do his duties. Like, that's it. I just summed up their whole 'in life'-relationship...
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Oh god, really now?? I wonder if they're just messing with us at this point, and doing it all on purpose. >.< I suppose Willowpelt has some strong feelings regarding her family members then... considering she mated with her brother, and apparently now another cousin... bleh.
Even if we do perform a four-Clan merge, I reckon they'll still need to go hunting for recruits, just to try and avoid whatever mess this is. No more brother/sisters, uncles/nieces.Β
It was very random indeed, and seems kind of useless? I mean, they used it maybe once? Twice? For some dumb plot purpose that lasted like one scene, it feels like. Never mentioned again.
I mean, having telepathic ties to your sister should be a big deal, and kind of handy, yet... it just somehow disappeared.
I just wish it hadn't been there to begin with. That was like the baby-step into stupid, special powers.
Standing stones and astrology? Uhh... that she has lifeless cat characters who talk to stars? StarClan seems more like some OP bible based thing to me, nothing to do with astrology, especially with the StarClan vs. Dark Forest thing. Moonstone's the only stone I can think of in the whole damn book as well.Β
Just talking about the Warriors plots really shows how out-of-hand it got. It's really sinking in now. xD
It would, indeed! And I don't think leaders would be so willing to give up their titles, nor would their Clanmates want them to, in fear of being lost and overrun. Maybe they'd just have to settle for something more diplomatic. Lots of problems would definitely arise from it, but at least they'd be different than just the cliche forbidden romance.Β
And yep, yep! I read the blurb on the next series not too long ago. Sounds just as dumb as the rest. Fate of the forest is put into one apprentice's hands or something... and of course it's Firestar's grandchild. For as much as I love following the family line, it'd be nice if the other, unrelated cats were given some kind of spotlight. What's up with StarClan's favoritism with Fire's genes?
I want to take off from a point where I can totally dismiss the "Great Battle", as it's so wrongly referred to. But then there is indeed a lot of space to fill up... like what was happening instead? What about the cats who died from it? The Erins have left us so much work x'D
Wow. What a... nicely developed relationship they had. (/sarcasm). If they wanted us to believe Fire and Spotted's weird connection, they should have done a better job building it up than what it was. Because as you've mentioned, they were pretty much strangers when Spotted died... and she was some pedo who shoved her nose against his face, and he liked how her breath smelled. That is... that's not enough at all omg.
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It would be less surprising really, if they were just bullshitting us with the family relations by now - sadly though they're likely perfectly serious about them... the only saving grace for Greystripe is that he at least found a lady outside his own clan, otherwise I think his own offspring could've become seriously screwed genetically.Β
Aye, or at least invent a rule that she-cats be allowed to roam outside the clans to be mated with - hell it's the way they do it in the wild to avoid inbreeding, letting either sex roam to other cat populations, but noooo, "warrior blood must be preserved". Seriously, excepting size, muscle-mass and lack of fat, there's been no other differences between them or any other bloody cat. Sure Riverclan is sleek from fish fat, but then so would any cat be on a fish diet, hell I know my own cat eats fish like five times a week (we spoil him silly... uvu')
Idk, yeah, it seems the only reason for the connection was to save Tawnypelt from a rat bite or something, and that's it. Like Squirrelpaw was in no way able to learn a few herbs, really? Too bad they didn't stop with the super-powers here already though, would've spared us so much frustration...
I haven't found a single trace in the books coming from these 'interests' in any way, really. They talk about the stars like doom is upon them all the fucking time, but no astrology - that would mean pointing out single stars' patterns and movement over the skies and their "divine meanings" ('course I can't believe that crap, but still) and Starclan was more like Godclan or Dictatorclan rather than kind guiding ancestors.
Aye, I suppose this is why one ought not to speak of the plots in any way other than to exclaim excitement... xD
Yes, and some proper diplomacy wouldn't be bad for the stories, they haven't actually done a splendid job on that point either. At least this plot with clan-merging would give rise to some completely unexplored themes rather than recycling everything over and over.
Ugh yes, I know! And not only is fate once more bestowed on a dumb apprentice with Firestar's blood, but of course it had to be a med-cat, again! I am so f*cking tired of med-cats and the drama that inevitably follows them, seriously! I'm already tired of the whole Firestar's legacy thing, considering how they foul up his reputation with his shitty grandchildren (looking at you Holly, Jay and Lion~) I fear they won't follow up any better with this 'Alderpaw'. (I even heard Kate or something saying she'd originally wanted to write him gay, rumours said)
Aye indeed, there's so much work we won't know what end to start with at all. xP
Oooh yes, such a heart-wrenching tragic romance, which didn't even bloody exist. And like you summed it up; they were strangers, he was a kid with a boyhood crush, and she was a pedo freaking out a preteen. If that's your idea of a great romance, your standards are waaaaaay below what I find adequate, or even healthy. These children who read warriors should take some time and read up on Jane Austen or something!
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