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Published: 2014-03-07 10:38:15 +0000 UTC; Views: 5752; Favourites: 142; Downloads: 10
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Description I suddenly became a big fan of Vivian.  Not totally sure why.

BTW, did you know Vivian is actually trans, and not just a regular girl? Of course you did. But... don't tell her I said that. >.> <.<
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Fario-P [2014-03-08 21:54:02 +0000 UTC]

I actually like this character... //blushes

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KT-Void-Entity In reply to Fario-P [2014-03-08 21:59:10 +0000 UTC]

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KittyJoy [2014-03-08 18:06:55 +0000 UTC]

OHMIGURSH! VIVIAN!

PST~. I know this is an overrated debate, But Vivian is female in the American version. It's only on the Japanese and other versions

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KT-Void-Entity In reply to KittyJoy [2014-03-08 18:22:31 +0000 UTC]

Well, I've just decided to treat the japanese version as canon. I actually sorta like her better that way.

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KittyJoy In reply to KT-Void-Entity [2014-03-09 19:38:06 +0000 UTC]

Yeah~. They did get the story to go along with that, didn't they? Trust me. I don't have a problem for those who believe it that way. I'm trying to come up with a different sorta way to relate w/the English version, but meh. The only thing I DON'T enjoy about Vivian being female is that fans depict her as a busty gal.

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xFlowerstarx In reply to KittyJoy [2014-03-08 18:13:49 +0000 UTC]

She's also female in the /European version. 

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KittyJoy In reply to xFlowerstarx [2014-03-08 18:19:00 +0000 UTC]

Oh yeah~. Dangit. WHY DO PEOPLE MAKE THIS SO COMPLICATED?!

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xFlowerstarx In reply to KittyJoy [2014-03-08 18:43:40 +0000 UTC]

I'm not sure. Blame Nintendo or Intelligent Systems. 

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KittyJoy In reply to xFlowerstarx [2014-03-09 03:07:03 +0000 UTC]

FRIGG. You two are great an all, but WHY~?!

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xFlowerstarx In reply to KittyJoy [2014-03-09 14:11:13 +0000 UTC]

I'm not sure. They're the ones that created the game. 

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KittyJoy In reply to xFlowerstarx [2014-03-09 19:34:41 +0000 UTC]

Yes. Tis true. TT_TT

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xFlowerstarx In reply to KittyJoy [2014-03-09 19:46:19 +0000 UTC]

There are rare times where I complain about Nintendo, Shigeru Miyamoto or Intelligent Systems but most of the time, I tend to praise them. One of the things I would praise Paper Mario: Sticker Star is that it's the first Paper Mario game to finally be in British English. The majority of the time, Nintendo of Europe can't be arsed to translate the dialogue to British English whenever the games comes to the

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KittyJoy In reply to xFlowerstarx [2014-03-09 19:52:51 +0000 UTC]

Yes. That is true. There are little things I can argue about with NIntendo and Intelligent Systems. Most of my feelings are praise for them, but there are those little parts where I think to myself, "WHAT THE FLIP WERE YOU THINKING?!"

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xFlowerstarx In reply to KittyJoy [2014-03-09 23:18:21 +0000 UTC]

If it weren't for Shigeru Miyamoto telling Intelligent Systems what to do, we would have another awesome instalment to the Paper Mario series. I know he's Mario's creator and all, but he should have kept his mouth shut and stop criticising the Paper Mario series. 

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KittyJoy In reply to xFlowerstarx [2014-03-10 22:51:44 +0000 UTC]

That's true.

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xFlowerstarx In reply to KittyJoy [2014-03-11 00:26:32 +0000 UTC]

Hopefully, the next instalment will be a much better improvement. 

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KT-Void-Entity In reply to KittyJoy [2014-03-08 18:29:10 +0000 UTC]

I think it was just the English translation in which they changed it, and obviously Yanks and Brits both speak English.

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KittyJoy In reply to KT-Void-Entity [2014-03-09 19:39:39 +0000 UTC]

Tis true...Actually, there a different depiction of her gender in another translation. In the Italian version (This is probably the weirdest depiction of Vivian's gender I've seen.) Vivian is a female that used to be male...I don't even know how that works.

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Berri-Kindred [2014-03-08 16:44:44 +0000 UTC]

I love Vivian! ^.^
You did a great job on this!

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Boomblox5896 [2014-03-07 23:56:14 +0000 UTC]

Vivian couldn't possibly be a boy! That's only technicalities found by the fans. The final version of her in the real works should be a girl. Why do people do these things to characters? It totally corrupts things.

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KittyJoy In reply to Boomblox5896 [2014-03-08 18:08:33 +0000 UTC]

Actually, there are rumors going about that there might be the slightest, teeny tiniest chance that Vivian in the Japanese version might be female. It could have been that the only evidence of Vivian being male was an insult. But hey, don't ask me about it. It's an ongoing debate.

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KT-Void-Entity In reply to KittyJoy [2014-03-09 00:43:56 +0000 UTC]

Actually, it wasn't just an insult. It was also in her official character description, and goombella's tattle dialogue.

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KittyJoy In reply to KT-Void-Entity [2014-03-09 03:03:41 +0000 UTC]

I know that. Just there is some evidence some fans got while investigating this and I'm not the one who came up with this idea. I'm not gonna list all the evidence unless you REALLY want to know about it. I still believe they really did unfortunately make Vivian male in the Japanese version. =A="

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Boomblox5896 In reply to KittyJoy [2014-03-08 20:35:37 +0000 UTC]

I hate when people bend the very nature of things to be absolutely and immorally corrupt and twisted.

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KittyJoy In reply to Boomblox5896 [2014-03-09 03:01:56 +0000 UTC]

THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

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Boomblox5896 In reply to KittyJoy [2014-03-09 03:07:46 +0000 UTC]

I'm assuming you agree with me?

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KittyJoy In reply to Boomblox5896 [2014-03-09 19:35:54 +0000 UTC]

Indeed I do.

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Boomblox5896 In reply to KittyJoy [2014-03-09 21:06:35 +0000 UTC]

Glad there's another like me.

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KittyJoy In reply to Boomblox5896 [2014-03-10 22:52:54 +0000 UTC]

Oh dude. I'm glad I'm not the only one either. But I also am annoyed by the busty depictions of her as well but I can't say whether THAT is worse or her male depictions.

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Boomblox5896 In reply to KittyJoy [2014-03-11 01:05:05 +0000 UTC]

Well good night, Irene! Talk about stuck in between a rock and a hard place. It's better just to burn the identity of her with fire and forget about her.

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KT-Void-Entity In reply to Boomblox5896 [2014-03-09 00:47:12 +0000 UTC]

That seems a bit of a dramatic description of thinking someone is transsexual, eh?

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Boomblox5896 In reply to KT-Void-Entity [2014-03-09 03:07:19 +0000 UTC]

Well yo, you should see what it's like growing up as me, then you'd understand why I believe what I believe, and firmly.

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KT-Void-Entity In reply to Boomblox5896 [2014-03-09 03:22:49 +0000 UTC]

Well, I guess I wouldn't know. I grew up in an environment that did not encourage discrimination. Neither me nor my brothers or parents would ever think there was something wrong with being trans. I don't know what kind of people raised you.

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Boomblox5896 In reply to KT-Void-Entity [2014-03-09 18:10:37 +0000 UTC]

Strict, uptight white mom and a technocrat Philippino dad with some problems that caused divorce. Now I have two strict uptight white parents.

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KT-Void-Entity In reply to Boomblox5896 [2014-03-10 02:35:28 +0000 UTC]

Well, my parents were white too, so... I don't see how that part has a lot of relevance. And, whaddya know, my parents have been divorced too.

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Boomblox5896 In reply to KT-Void-Entity [2014-03-11 01:06:30 +0000 UTC]

I call out to my Philippino and Asian heritage for the culture I like most. Not white culture. They're just the strict kind of parents who expect better of me.

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KT-Void-Entity In reply to Boomblox5896 [2014-03-08 00:28:44 +0000 UTC]

Excuse me, I don't know why I said "japanese translation". It was the original version, not a translation. I'm stupid.

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Boomblox5896 In reply to KT-Void-Entity [2014-03-08 03:03:09 +0000 UTC]

I just didn't want to believe that she was a guy. I just don't know why the world has to be this way. Especially in Japan. I just had a talk with my sister about things like this around a month ago.

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KT-Void-Entity In reply to Boomblox5896 [2014-03-08 04:39:18 +0000 UTC]

Eh, it didn't bug me. I personally think it's stupid they removed it from the English version, because they killed an important character dynamic.

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Boomblox5896 In reply to KT-Void-Entity [2014-03-08 20:36:24 +0000 UTC]

Removed what exactly now?

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KT-Void-Entity In reply to Boomblox5896 [2014-03-08 20:39:19 +0000 UTC]

The references to her being male... All of the hints were removed in the English translation...

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Boomblox5896 In reply to KT-Void-Entity [2014-03-09 03:13:30 +0000 UTC]

Well then that should mean she's not a guy at all. At least in the world of English speakers like you and me. How are there even references of her gender in the original script? How do people even know these things?

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KT-Void-Entity In reply to Boomblox5896 [2014-03-09 03:19:49 +0000 UTC]

Well... Because some people know how to read japanese, so they know what is actually said in the non-American version of the game... And since the japanese version was the source material, I figured that it was the closest to being canon.

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Boomblox5896 In reply to KT-Void-Entity [2014-03-09 18:13:02 +0000 UTC]

What I'm a bit disturbedly curious about is how it's said she was a guy in the Japanese script and if it's translated to English.

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KT-Void-Entity In reply to Boomblox5896 [2014-03-08 00:15:14 +0000 UTC]

Uh, no... In the original japanese translation, this is explicitly stated... But all the references to her being male were removed from the English translation.

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