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usernaneusername [2012-08-01 00:22:22 +0000 UTC]
the house was built for Joseph Masson's son, not Joseph Masson. The father died years before this house was built, and the name is not the same. The name is Joseph Wilfred Antoine Raymond Masson. Raymond was his mother's maiden name (born: Sophie Raymond), they included it as a middle name for their eldest son.
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Lapointe56 In reply to usernaneusername [2012-08-01 03:00:48 +0000 UTC]
There is probably some truth in what you bring me. Since my information came from the City of Montreal, I taken for reality. But as in many cases, the historical society misreport, I should have done a more in-depth audit. The error probably comes from the fact that after the death of Joseph Masson (father) in 1847 (his funeral will be recorded in La Minerve), his wife Marie-Geneviève-Sophie Masson née Raymond has a contract for the construction of the manoir Masson (later the College Saint-Sacrement) in Terrebonne, with the french architect Pierre-Louis Morin, who had in 1845 opened an office in Montreal.
Further research, I will undertake as soon as possible, we would know who commissioned the achitecte Pierre-Louis Morin for the realization of this house. Perhaps the contract did signed before 1847? Otherwise it seems logical that this order has been passed by either the widow Masson or by one of his son. As Joseph-Wilfrid-Antoine-Raymond seems to be the one who live there, it might well seem that this is his idea. But as history with a capital "H" takes little account of pretend ...
Regarding the possibility of attachment of Joseph Masson (father), born in Saint-Eustache in Quebec in 1791, son of the carpenter Antoine Masson and Susan Pfeiffer (or Payfer), Lord of Terrebonne (1832-47), to the city of Montreal. He was elected alderman in Montreal in December 1842. he declined the offer of the Council to be the new mayor of Montreal, but he was elected alderman in 1843. He is also captain of militia, magistrate, member of the "Committee of Trade" of Montreal. He was the first warden of the parish of Notre-Dame in Montreal, and participates in the construction of the new Notre-Dame Basilica. Everything tends to show that it is active in real estate in Montreal ...
So for certittudes, we see that a thorough investigation will reveal ...
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usernaneusername In reply to Lapointe56 [2012-08-03 01:21:45 +0000 UTC]
Pierre-Louis Morin was hired in 1848 by the widow of Joseph Masson (he died in 1847)to build her the Manoir Masson in Terrebonne. The house in Montreal begins construction in 1851. The son used Pierre-Louis Morin for his house. He likely met him through his mother.
Since the first stone to be laid at the Montreal house was signed by the owner in 1851, and Joseph Masson had been dead for years, it seems unlikely that he was the one to sign it.
I don't see why you keep going on about Joseph Masson's political achievements, it doesn't have anything to do with the house or the error. Yes, he bought the Seigneurie in Terrebonne in 1832, and he owned property in Montreal, before and after, since he lived in Montreal for many years, but not this one house. It was built after he died and at the time he died he was living in Terrebonne, he was building in Terrebonne at the time he died. He was planning many things there.
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Lapointe56 In reply to usernaneusername [2012-08-03 03:18:10 +0000 UTC]
I'm not saying you're wrong, I say that if there are mistakes in my text, I will not correct with other errors ...
You tell me that the architect Pierre-Louis Morin was presented to Joseph Masson (son) by his mother. I want to believe, but where are your references for this assertion. For me, this is the first time I heard it ...
Regarding the date of construction of the house, it seems no different from that presented in my text. And I know that death can not sign the first stone of a building, not more today than yesterday ... All the information I possess on this building and its history are from the City of Montreal, and it would not be the first time it would commit error (see Maison du Bon-Temps [link] ), but for lack of verifiable information, I must content myself for now. Also I told you that I will pursue, as soon as possible, my investigation on the subject ...
You asks me, why make this demonstration activities Joseph Masson (father) in Montreal ... To demonstrate that, although it was the Lords of Terrebonne, its realization and its activitées are mainly concentrated in Montreal and not much to Terrebeonne ... The buildings and the implications of this family seem to be more concentrated in Terrebonne after his death (1947) and was mainly works of his widow ... I know that there has not lived since the construction of this house began in 1850, almost three after his death (I'm not stupid). In my text, where did you see that I say he lived here?
You tell me that Joseph Masson lived in Terrebonne at the time of his death, where did you see it. He died in Terrebonne, but that does not mean he lived there. Such as that time for several Seigneurs, the Seigneuries was a source of additional income, they are almost never put their feet in, leaving the daily management of their affairs to their stately wives, whom they were living in these Seigneuries. When these lords became seriously ill, these wives were eager to repatriate sick from them ... So as you see the evidence seems to indicate that you may be contradicted by the manners of that times. I will not give a complete course of history of the seigneurial system in Quebec, there are teachers and schools for this ...
I'm not saying you're wrong ... I'm not saying I'm right ... I say I will search for documents that tell me all the truth before making a change to the version of the City of Montreal. So if you have information leading to such documents I ask you kindly to transmit, it will facilitate my research.
Everything I say in my articles, this one included, comes from official referrals or cross-checked with other historians.
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