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Description ISRAELI WALL TO ENCIRCLE PALESTINE

Sharon accused of turning territories into huge prison

Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Tuesday March 18, 2003
The Guardian

Ariel Sharon has told his cabinet that he plans to extend the "security fence" Israel is building along the length of the West Bank so that it entirely encircles any Palestinian state.
The revelation, which follows the Israeli government's decision to oppose full independence for Palestine in favour of a state with "certain attributes of sovereignty", immediately drew fire from the Palestinians who accused the Israeli prime minister of trying to turn the occupied territories into a huge prison.

Meanwhile, the Israeli army killed 10 Palestinians, including a four-year-old girl, in a raid on a Gaza refugee camp yesterday.

Hanan Ansar and two teenagers were among those killed as tanks and helicopters led an assault on Nusseirat camp in search of wanted Palestinians and to destroy the homes of "terrorists".

Mr Sharon dropped what is being called a political bombshell on Sunday while taking his cabinet on a secret tour of the fence, which is a six-metre (20ft) wall topped with barbed wire and lined with guard towers in many places.

The 230-mile wall and fence already under construction will extend the length of the West Bank, creeping deep inside Palestinian territory for long stretches. It will almost surround at least one, and probably two, cities.

Now Mr Sharon is proposing to link the two ends of the fence already under construction with an additional section along the length of the Jordan valley. But he denied it was intended to define the borders of a Palestinian state ahead of the implementation of the American "road map".

"A fence is not a political border. It is not a security border but rather another means to assist in the war against terror, and greatly assist in stopping illegal aliens," Mr Sharon said.

The move was condemned by the Palestinians who said it would effectively turn any future state into a prison with the Israelis controlling access.

"This just confirms that the wall is not to separate the West Bank from Israelis, it's to separate Palestinians into their reservation," said Michael Tarazi of the PLO's negotiations support unit. "It means that the Israelis will take con trol of our border with Jordan and what remains of the best agricultural land we have. The wall near the green line has already taken a lot of our best land and now they are going to do the same with what remains in the Jordan valley.

"If they think this is going to create a 'fact on the ground' that they don't want to remove, that would kill any chance of a negotiated settlement."

The first 80-mile stretch of wall and fence, running north from near the city of Qalqiliya, is nearly complete and expected to be turned over to the control of the army in July.

By the end of the year a second section enclosing the entire northern border of the West Bank should be finished and work will then concentrate on the southern part of the Palestinian territories around Jerusalem and Hebron.

The new section planned by Mr Sharon would link the wall near Hebron with the barrier in the far north of the West Bank by running the full length of the Jordan valley.

Jeff Halper, a respected documenter of Israeli expansion in the occupied territories, said it was hard to justify building a wall through the Jordan valley as a protection against terrorism.

"If you're talking in terms of terrorism from the Palestinian side, there's not much to attack in the Jordan valley. It's not like the wall on the other side where you've got Israel," he said.

"So it's hard not to conclude that they are using the wall to create a de facto border that basically reduces the West Bank to the 45% or 50% that Sharon is talking about giving the Palestinians, all truncated."

The Israeli government portrays the wall as a temporary measure to contain attacks within its 1967 borders until there is a political settlement.

But Mr Tarazi questions whether Israel will find the political will to tear down the wall, given that it has the support of all the major parties.

"Anything is reversible if you have a will. The question is whether there is any on the part of Israel," he said.
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Deutsch-Ostafrika [2018-01-01 00:29:47 +0000 UTC]

I Really wish people would stop quoting theΒ guardian

www.theguardian.com/world/2017…

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CreeppingDeath [2013-12-02 14:49:52 +0000 UTC]

You SUCK big time!

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Aevaresto [2013-04-19 04:16:18 +0000 UTC]

You know what the irony is? The Greeks, or close relatives thereof (Philistines were once considered Arabic until Mediterranean ties were revealed), were the original settlers of Palestine. Philistine being the derivative name. Even then they abandoned the region because of superior areas to migrate to, and their hostile lifestyle of raiding Jerusalem overtaxed their desert-based economies. The Phoenicians were a bit more successful, acting as a trade center between Hebrew, Egyptian and Greek cultures, but ultimately failed as well. To only group to ever give the region any serious thought of content occupation were the Templar, who had mason guilds construct strongholds to maintain a supply chain from Byzantine to Jerusalem without having to cross through Persian territory. The only Arabians to settle in the 'Three Regions of Palestine' were bandits and banished Egyptians following after the likewise kicked-out Philistines (as it turns out, the Greeks/Philistines were too crazy to be enslaved).

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Black-Jack-Am [2011-09-05 12:47:41 +0000 UTC]

Let me see....what is wrong with this picture....um...just everything. There is ONE wall between Gaza and Israel. All you people do is make Israel out to be some sort of Hitler force, which is beyond sickening. Israel is a good nation that has had to protect itself from morons with rockets.
Israel is under constant threat and attack by Hamas or whoever is shooting rockets in there, yet as soon as Israel fights back, which she rightfully should and does do they start playing victim. Disgusting.

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gameguy54 In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2013-02-14 14:46:56 +0000 UTC]

oh so children are a threat and israel has to kill them?

America (the government) and israel are evil

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to gameguy54 [2013-02-19 20:23:49 +0000 UTC]

Um...not they're not. But if a child has a bomb strapped to them, that doesn't make them all that safe. Children in prison are there for a reason.
Israel and America are not perfect, but Israel tries to diminish casualties.

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gameguy54 In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2013-02-24 18:10:00 +0000 UTC]

but no all of them are. israel makes checkpoints by straping a bomb to them

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to gameguy54 [2013-02-25 01:04:47 +0000 UTC]

No they don't. Israel uses the checkpoints to prevent terrorism, which they've done. The checkpoints have significantly lowered terrorism.

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gameguy54 In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2013-03-17 14:40:16 +0000 UTC]

israel is all planed bullshit. they planed everything. before israel,there were no such thing as "muslim terrorists". hitler was a rothschild weapon to scare the european jews to move to palestine and form israel. if israel hates its neighbours,then it should move somewhere else,because they can't do nothing about ancient countries that have a HISTORY! and to tell you the truth,muslim terrorists like osama were payed by america so they can portray them as evil.9/11 was also planned and it was obvious because america has the #1 military.if it was a real terrorist attack,they would've immediately destroyed it,but they let it in,so it's obvious. the truth is right in your face but you decide to ignore it.
and btw.iran isn't muslim. iran is PERSIA!

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to gameguy54 [2013-03-18 18:18:25 +0000 UTC]

Israel existed long before Islam, look it up. Hitler tried to delete us from existence. Israel is here to stay, deal with it.
9/11 was NOT planned by Americans, nor did we pay off Bin Laden. Terrorists have and do infiltrate our country.

Furthermore, Iran is Muslim and Persian. Persia is an ethnicity to the ancient land of Persia, Muslim is a faith. Iran is not Arab but Persian, is a correct statement. Do education yourself, please. You're embarrassing yourself. And if you plan to debate me, which I wish you luck, learn to spell.

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gameguy54 In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2013-05-03 16:21:42 +0000 UTC]

that israel has NOTHING to do with the modern israel. the modern israel is just using the ancient name to get away with their evil. the rothschilds funded hitler and were involved in israel's creation.also consider that there were 150k jews in hitle's army ( [link] )and if you're really stupid to think 9/11 was an outside job: [link]

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to gameguy54 [2013-05-03 22:19:18 +0000 UTC]

You are a conspiracy theorist, go do some research that doesn't come from other conspiracy theorists.

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gameguy54 In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2013-05-04 11:22:50 +0000 UTC]

still better than a guy that believes bullshit from cnn and fox

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to gameguy54 [2013-05-05 05:29:37 +0000 UTC]

A. Not a guy and B. I don't watch CNN. Fox News is actually the most watched news source and despite that its right wing and people show off its mistakes is a perfectly legit news source, if people can handle a little bit of truth. Bengasi anyone?

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gameguy54 In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2013-05-05 16:08:52 +0000 UTC]

fox is the same shit. they brainwash the americans that iran is evil so americans would go to war with iran. IRAN HASN'T ATTACKED ANYBODY FOR OVER 200 YEARS. US only wants middle east's oil and to make it part of the NWO.

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to gameguy54 [2013-05-06 01:23:09 +0000 UTC]

Iran is a threat. Fox News does not brainwash. Give me a break. At least they report the stuff the others won't even touch.

Iran is threatening war, it is threatening Israel. If Achmedinijad leaves maybe that will change. Until then.

New World Order? Right...um...you do know that we don't get oil from Iran right?

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-21 05:53:52 +0000 UTC]

Which their completely free and equal status of all civilians had no impact on South Africa declaring Israel to be an apartheid state.

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-21 18:10:50 +0000 UTC]

South Africa doesn't know anything about Israel aside from what they've heard from the biased media.

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-22 02:23:44 +0000 UTC]

I'm certain of that. Besides, it's not like South Africa knows anything about apartheid regimes or something.

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-22 15:45:02 +0000 UTC]

Well since I've never seen anyone from South African in Israel, I'll say no they don't.

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-22 21:51:52 +0000 UTC]

How familiar are you with South Africa's history? There's a reason you're not going to.

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-22 22:00:06 +0000 UTC]

Actually very familiar, I am well aware of the details of their Apartheid, which is why I know that Israel is not an Apartheid state.

But clearly South Africa doesn't have all the facts and are only listening to false facts and that's not my problem.

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-23 02:45:21 +0000 UTC]

Oh of course. Nations with an active and professional intelligence service must know less about every other nation than armchair experts like yourself do.

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-23 03:27:53 +0000 UTC]

Armchair? Hardly. I've been there and please, what professional intelligence services do they have?
Israel is NOT an apartheid state. It's not. Jews, Christians, Muslims, Arabs, etc all have the same rights in Israel.

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-23 07:31:35 +0000 UTC]

[link] do some research first

Oh, yes. I should remember that someone who believes something very strongly about a country makes it true. Again, do some research. Plenty of Israeli historians will even disagree with you, do I need to name names?

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-23 18:40:35 +0000 UTC]

WOW Wikipedia, you are so smart. Wikipedia is so trustworhy. But it doesn't prove anything. So South Africa has intelligence. Woopie. It doesn't prove that they used it, nor does it show where they get their information.

Muslims and Christians have the same rights as Jews IN Israel. Gaza is not a part of Israel, yet Israel still pays for their electricity and provides them with water.

I have done research and I happen to be a historian. So how about you stop arguing with me when I know I'm right and your chances of getting me to change my mind as the mountain had of going to Mohammed.

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-23 20:54:39 +0000 UTC]

Wow, yes, everyone knows that a website that demands all information to be sourced and on average removes unsourced information within ten minutes of putting it there is vastly less trustworthy than your average armchair internet "expert". For one, your claim to being a historian is BS - it never came up until I challenged you with a source and you have no way of proving it. For all you know I'm a Mossad agent. What about the Israeli historian Tanya Reinhart? Or the Israeli historian Ilan Pappe? Both have proven claims to being historians, live in Israel and disagree with what you said.

Some people...

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-23 21:16:19 +0000 UTC]

And yet, no University or College will accept Wikipedia as a source. So that should tell you something.

Well they can disagree fine, but I'm still right. Israel is not perfect, but it is not a full blown evil apartheid state. Clearly they don't understand what apartheid is.

If Israel is so evil why do Palestinians in Jerusalem want Israeli citizenship? Why do gays run away from "Palestine" to Israel?

Why do arabs serve in the Knesset and have represented Israel in various competitions and conferences?

Give me a break. There is no apartheid, end of story, goodbye, have a nice life.

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-23 21:21:32 +0000 UTC]

Of course, because Wikipedia is not a source so much as a collection of them. Not only that but allowing Wikipedia sources tends to encourage large amounts of copy-pasting from students.

Again, South Africa. Israeli historians. Your information has no sources.

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-23 21:31:24 +0000 UTC]

[link]

[link]

Here are some facts, if you know what those are. Now leave me alone.

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-23 23:07:38 +0000 UTC]

When I talked about sources, I meant ones that at least attempted to be unbiased.

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-24 01:12:26 +0000 UTC]

Oh, right, I'm sorry you view facts as bias. My mistake.

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-24 01:47:44 +0000 UTC]

Nope. I view biased facts as biased facts. If you can't even link to a website that tries to be neutral I'm naturally going to throw out those facts as biased. Unless of course you'd like to take WWII-era Nazi propaganda as facts about the Jewish people?

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-24 02:48:08 +0000 UTC]

Sometimes when facts are presented they are still facts. the Jewish virtual library is a great accredited source. If you deemed it as biased it doesn't magically make it so. Now go away.

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-24 11:28:53 +0000 UTC]

Shouldn't the name at least give it away for you?

Also, you keep telling me to go away yet you keep responding to everything I say.

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-24 19:08:01 +0000 UTC]

Because you're wrong and annoying. Oh and it's biased because of its name? Right. So are Jews all evil now too?

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-24 20:53:26 +0000 UTC]

Mon Dieu, if that isn't the most disjointed logical process I've come across yet. It's biased because it attempts to spell out the history from a primarily Jewish viewpoint. Unless you intent to contest that Israel is free from Jews then you have to realise that it tells the story from only one side.

Secondly, this. [link] - first paragraph. If you can't see what's wrong with it your claim to being a historian gets even more shaky, as analysing bias is something every student taking a secondary education history class learns.

[link]

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-24 20:56:56 +0000 UTC]

Oh my G-d. I know I'm right and you won't convince me otherwise. SO just get over it.

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-25 05:59:03 +0000 UTC]

Well, if you won't listen to historians, news reports and only listen to what Israel says there's no way you'll ever experience the truth.

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-25 16:31:36 +0000 UTC]

Except that one man's words, a reliable source to which you can't provide, does not mean all of Israel. So don't even try. Israel is NOT an apartheid state, if it was we wouldn't have Arabs as our Ms. Israel, or on our Knesset, in our IDF and police, etc.

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-26 01:40:47 +0000 UTC]

Yet I have provided them. I referenced credited historians, and can provide you with their works, linked to a well-known reliable source and gave you exactly why it was reliable when you decided to dispute it.

Furthermore, Australia always had laws against slavery of the Aboriginal populations. That doesn't mean that during the colonial era they were officially recognised as humans.

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-26 01:49:21 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, Noam Chomsky is credit too, he's still a moron. Doesn't matter to me. Facts are facts. Reliable is debatable. IF America Knew is not a reliable source it is filled with FALSE information that has been proven to be so.

And what has Australia to do with this? Israel is not carrying out a mass plot against the Palestinians. So why don't you grow up and actually learn something.
Everyone has equal rights in Israel. Why else would people serve in the Knesset or in the IDF? Gay or Straight, Jew or Muslim.

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-26 01:51:09 +0000 UTC]

IDF: conscription. It's kind of hard not to.

And Australia is getting in here because, like the modern Israel, they once were a highly racist colony with the idea that there should only be one ethnicity in the colony.

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Black-Jack-Am In reply to ComradeLither [2012-12-26 03:47:25 +0000 UTC]

Actually Arabs are, while technically should be serving, are not forced too. Still plenty do. Oops.

How about you stop and leave me alone because I'm right and that's the end of it.

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ComradeLither In reply to Black-Jack-Am [2012-12-26 04:12:22 +0000 UTC]

Nope. You specified "people" which includes all the citizens of a country and then mentioned Jews which is correct. Check what you write when you write it.

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cookid99 [2011-08-10 19:23:23 +0000 UTC]

We shouldnt go to war with Iraq, we shoiuld go to war with the Nazis (current Israel)

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cthulhufhtagn1987 [2011-03-08 22:29:06 +0000 UTC]

Palestine? There wasn't any state called "Palestine". and no Palestinians either, the word Palestinian in it's today's sense is a PLO invention from 1964.
And yeah, it is bod for the health to fuck with Israel.

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nu818 [2009-09-21 17:59:37 +0000 UTC]

i respect ur art in many ways !!

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jjblackdon [2009-07-03 04:37:27 +0000 UTC]

Blow me.

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seswei [2007-12-13 21:22:53 +0000 UTC]

how dare israel try to suffocate the rightful owners of that damned country.

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