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Description RABBI SUPPORTS KILLINGS IN RAFAH
By Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank (Aljazeera)


Thursday 20 May 2004


A prominent rabbi has supported the killings of Palestinian civilians by Israeli occupation troops in the Gaza Strip, saying killing non-Jewish civilians is compatible with religious laws.

Rabbi Dov Lior, Chairman of the Jewish Rabbinical Council, was quoted as saying "during warfare, killing non-Jewish civilians is permitted if it saves Jewish lives".

According to Lior's ruling, which was made public on Wednesday, Israeli occupation troops in Gaza are allowed to kill and harm "so-called innocent civilians" during warfare.

"The law of our Torah is to have mercy on our soldiers and to save them. This is the real moral behind Israel's Torah and we must not feel guilty due to foreign morals," the Ma'ariv Israeli newspaper quoted him as saying.

He added that Jewish lives were more important than non-Jewish lives.

EXTREMIST

Rabbi Lior is considered among the most learned sages of the Torah.

"Without any doubt, he is among the most learned scholars of the Torah, but he is viewed as an extremist among some liberal sectors," said Rabbi Menachem Froman from the Tku' settlement near Bethlehem.

Froman said he did not agree with Lior's views, calling them controversial.

"I believe that Judaism is against killing innocent people. One of the main commandments of the Torah is 'thou shall not murder.'"

However, after speaking to many rabbis, it is clear that Lior's views and interpretation of Jewish Law enjoy far more popularity and acceptance than Froman’s relatively dovish interpretations.

The basic point of disagreement concerns whether Biblical injunctions apply equally to Jews and non-Jews.

Lior, like most of the rabbis of the Gush Emunim settler movement, believes that Biblical commandments such as "thou shall not murder" refer only to "Jews" since the Torah was given to Jews, not Gentiles.

This view, however, is rejected to varying degrees by the two main unorthodox Jewish sects - the Conservatives and the Reformists - who constitute a numerical majority of Jews outside Israel, especially in North America.

SETTLERS' RABBI

Dov Lior is considered a champion rabbi among settlers. In 1994, he strongly supported the murder by an American immigrant settler, Baruch Goldstein, of 29 Palestinian worshippers at the Ibrahimi Mosque.

Lior then issued a religious edict, saying, "a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail".

Lior praised Goldstein, calling him a "great saint and rabbi … may his memory be blessed".

Several months after the massacre, Lior told disciples in Kiryat Araba near the occupied West Bank city of Hebron "Jewish blood was redder than non-Jewish blood … and that a Jewish life is preferred by the Lord than a non-Jewish life".

SILENCE

So far, the majority of Israeli religious leaders, including the two Grand Rabbis (one representing Western Jews 'Ashkenazim' and the other representing eastern Jews 'Tsfaradim') have refused to condemn or repudiate Lior's views.

Rabbi Froman suggested that because of Lior's deep knowledge of Jewish law, most rabbis refrain from challenging his understanding of the Torah and Talmud.

In fact, the official religious establishment, let alone Gush Eumunim rabbis, consistently supported whatever attacks carried out by the occupying army against Palestinian civilians.

Mirkaz Ha'rav officials in West Jerusalem (the main religious College where Dov Lior teaches) refused to comment on Lior's edict when contacted by Aljazeera.net.
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Dreamslayer1 In reply to ??? [2012-01-30 21:28:07 +0000 UTC]

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meir kahan said himself so at the begining, a wise man in that and that he understood the need for action

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daaku-no-tenshi [2009-05-26 01:09:03 +0000 UTC]

.... @_@ ..... @ the heated comments.

Jeez.
Draw a line or something, maybe, guys?
An eye for an eye makes everyone blind, y'know.

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Spikmonkeyman [2005-12-21 21:13:58 +0000 UTC]

FREE PALESTINE!

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bunkmate4 [2005-08-23 06:09:46 +0000 UTC]

the majority of isreal is secular not hyper extremist like him.. also jewish law forbids all killing unless it is in direct selfdeffense. the man may be a schollar but its not hard for anyone to see that one. im glad to see the gaza pull out. i hope the best for my palestinian cousins.

as a jew I don't have any problem with the drawing, it is your art and it should refflect your views. art is also suposed to spark conversation , and this piece obviously did

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jaakobou In reply to bunkmate4 [2006-09-29 12:42:13 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-29 16:59:17 +0000 UTC]

theres 100x more material online that shows how Israel is evil.

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-10-29 18:04:23 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-29 19:31:59 +0000 UTC]

It's hard to think of it as a lie when we see it with our eyes.

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-10-29 21:29:01 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-29 21:40:09 +0000 UTC]

Why do you always offer false alternatives? You only do that because of your self-interest in making yourself look good to the readers who see these posts. Enough of the bullshitting, you know I know what you know. Afraid to admit the truth because your image on here can be viewed with opposition? It's just you and me.

I could offer a list of things for you to look at, but you always prefer the "Honest Reporting" propaganda material. But really, you wouldn't even bother to look at anything if you knew that Israelis were doing something wrong in it. You only have the stomach to see what the Arabs are doing.

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-10-30 21:56:34 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-30 22:25:08 +0000 UTC]

Why do you try to teach me garbage that only serves your one sided purpose? I've seen enough of that PR propaganda from YouTube. Can't you come up with something better than posting links from that site? lol.
Lets talk about the things the IDF has done to innocent people, since it's something you never talked about.

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-10-31 15:23:31 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-31 16:49:19 +0000 UTC]

It's not honest because it involves the Zionists. Isn't that how your logic works.

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-11-11 10:24:55 +0000 UTC]

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ademmm In reply to jaakobou [2009-01-01 01:22:17 +0000 UTC]

i know only one israel before 48
israel is evil and danger for humanity!

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ZOtherOne In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-22 07:14:03 +0000 UTC]

hahaha.. you're frustrated

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jaakobou In reply to ZOtherOne [2006-10-27 08:44:49 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-29 17:01:56 +0000 UTC]

Not an Anti-Gentile like you.

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-10-29 18:03:30 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-29 19:33:35 +0000 UTC]

One is either a Semite or a Gentile according to your beliefs. You are the Semite and we are all Gentiles. It's ok to be anti-Gentile, but completely wrong to be anti-Semite. isn't that right?

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-10-29 21:15:55 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-29 21:29:07 +0000 UTC]

I don't care about your belief system, it's just words, doesn't prove Israelis are decedents from the real Israelites by blood. Just converts and mixed up people from other countries who claim Israel is their homeland just because they call themselves Jewish. Israel was in 1947. Jew isn't even a real race anymore with all the converted people who have other traces of ancestors from other places that have nothing to do with the biblical Israelites.

According to your believes, there are Semites and Gentiles. It's ok to be anti-Gentile but not ok to be anti-Semite. Gentile and Semite are stupid words that shouldn't exist. It's racist to even refer to non Jews as Gentiles. That's just calling them outsiders or non worthy people. Then again, Semite are Gods chosen people and Gentiles are not right? Racism.

Israel seems to use the word Semite a lot these days, even when the Semites from other parts of the world have no relations to Israel. You shouldn't speak for other people.

You called me other things? you called me an anti-Semite.

For you to get me banned you would need to go crying to the moderators about me, which you seem to deny by threatening me not to make slanderous statements. You like to cover up the things you do. Nice one.

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-10-30 21:56:26 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-30 22:39:25 +0000 UTC]

Wow, so the President is the rapist Now you got 2 corrupt disgusting leaders.

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-10-31 10:07:04 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-31 16:52:25 +0000 UTC]

You are right, I'd have to learn about Kahanism to know Israeli Politics.

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-11-11 10:24:13 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-11-11 15:01:00 +0000 UTC]

No, Israel is Zionism and Zionism = to Nazism. Kahanism = KKK without robes.

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-11-11 17:48:17 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-11-11 18:05:41 +0000 UTC]

Oh quiet...

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ZOtherOne In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-31 14:36:03 +0000 UTC]

lol... Its like you dont care how many civilians Israel is killing... but the most important is getting the name of your criminal leader

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jaakobou In reply to ZOtherOne [2006-10-31 15:11:31 +0000 UTC]

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ZOtherOne In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-31 18:19:33 +0000 UTC]

ok... just to get something straight

and your wording "how many civillians israel is killing" is a sad joke since all the terrorists are civillians... just that they belong to al-aqsa martyr brigadas, hamas, fatach, etc.

Are you saying Israel isnt killing innocent lives ? That its all fake ?

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jaakobou In reply to ZOtherOne [2006-11-11 10:21:16 +0000 UTC]

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ZOtherOne In reply to jaakobou [2006-11-11 10:28:43 +0000 UTC]

whatever man... i thought you were gonna say 'you bore me' again. Just don't get over excited dude... you disgust me.

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jaakobou In reply to ZOtherOne [2006-11-11 11:03:53 +0000 UTC]

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ademmm In reply to jaakobou [2009-01-01 01:23:46 +0000 UTC]

u should teach ur self about history are coming from israel or ur father or mother born israel where come ur grandmome or grandfather.

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-30 22:31:10 +0000 UTC]

When did I said "President" ??
Who is your leader? That rapist Prime Minister who sent people to kill civilians in Lebanon with illegal cluster bombs and chemical weapons. My God, Chemical Weapons, nice one.
BTW, I'm not talking about Your President Moshe Katsav, so I don't know why you are trying to feed me a bone to that direction.

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ZOtherOne In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-27 08:52:50 +0000 UTC]

I'm a nice guy...
What about you ?

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jaakobou In reply to ZOtherOne [2006-10-28 15:28:06 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-29 16:44:25 +0000 UTC]

You created the terrorists, so stop complaining. Now you have to face the consequences of your actions.

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-10-29 18:03:08 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-29 19:34:52 +0000 UTC]

1. That's a fallacy towards a personal attack. Attack the claim, not the character, if you know how to.

2. You want to talk about the terrorism in the past? how about the terrorism you created at the King David Hotel?

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-10-29 20:44:24 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-29 21:15:26 +0000 UTC]

Does that mean if a Jew does something wrong, it should be erased? But if an Arab does something wrong, it should stick to them forever? please...

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jaakobou In reply to drsmith [2006-10-30 18:26:34 +0000 UTC]

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drsmith In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-30 19:48:12 +0000 UTC]

Begging the question, typical of you.

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ZOtherOne In reply to jaakobou [2006-10-29 14:19:40 +0000 UTC]

hahaha... you're slow ! Just coz i dont Support the Israeli killings doesnt mean i'm a Hezbollah supporter... sooo far from being an H supporter
You support war ! Use of weapons ! You hide behind excuses ! That your country's mistakes are Hezbollah's mistakes ! You never assumed that you might be wrong... You never ackonowledge the fact that palestinians have the right to resist ! In you langage resist = terrorism because that's what your country teached you ! Stop spreading lies and try to manipulate people !
Criticism isnt anti-semitism !
You think peace can come out of sooo many killings !
But you wouldnt notice all that if i didnt tell you... lol
[link] ---> feel free to join if you're not a WAR supporter !

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jaakobou In reply to ZOtherOne [2006-10-29 18:10:25 +0000 UTC]

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