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Published: 2014-07-16 18:43:25 +0000 UTC; Views: 3130; Favourites: 28; Downloads: 0
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The title is self explanatory. This is just a quick map showing the extent of the territory taken from Germany since 1918. Alsace-Lorraine was taken by France, Eupen-Malmedy from Prussia by Belgium against the will of its Gerrman-speaking citizens by France's urging (the border is a bit messed up but just go with it), bilingual northern Schleswig from Prussia by Denmark as per an unfair plebiscite in terms of certain urban areas and the demarcation of the zones, and of course the huge chunk of Prussia and a tiny slice of Saxony lost to Poland, Russia, Lithuania, and Czechoslovakia after WW1 and WW2, from which a vast majority of its German inhabitants were expelled. This map doesn't show smaller border alterations.Related content
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It is sad to see my East Prussia lost. One day we will return home.
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It will never return, it is part Poland now and there only 140,000 germans in Poland and German is already big as it is, bigger than Poland with a much larger population, wanting a historical land with barely any germans and german culture in it is pointless and Germany will not want any territories back, Europe won't allow it, Poland won't allow it, not even Germany itself won't allow if, that is if it wants to start another war for the same reason world war 2 was started, becasue Hitler wanted historical regions of Germany to be under its control again and also gain territory for "living space" don't let your irredenterism take over reason
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Sure, the border is open. Just go there?...
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I want the land returned to Germany.
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I dont think that would matter. Cause a 96% Polish Population (Well except for Kaliningrad Oblast and Memelland of course) would have the territory stay Polish. They would have another flag, another anthem, and what?... Right, the German State cannot even economically afford these territories.
Probably Real Politics should mean more to you than stupid nostalgia...
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Never! they turned the land into waste and destroyed the culture. You would not understand. And as for money, land, the soil, means more than any Euro or Yen or Dollars.
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...no. You only care which flag flies over which soil.
They turned the land into waste?... Not as much as the Soviets when they came over to stomp these territories into the ground. Why? Well, ask yourself about the 22nd of June, 1941.
Destroying culture? No. The Culture changed. German Culture has gone and Polish Culture has come. This is by no means destroying culture.
The Soil means more than any Euro? Well, fuck that. Germany still cannot pay the Poles who live there to live on German standards. Or do you want to expel the Polish population and then force Germans to live there again? If so, great plan.
Please keep in mind that I still by no means want to offend you
Greetings.
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I believe I would have more invested in that land than you think, past, present and future.Β
In addition, I think this conversation is finished so there will be on offenses to anyone.
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Okay, fair enough. Have a nice day, sir.
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I think the most realistic best case scenario would be Poland annexing Kaliningrad Oblast, combining it with Warmia-Masuria Voivodeship, fixing the borders of the latter to more accurately match those of East Prussia, and renaming the new voivodeship "Pruskie Voivodeship" and the city "KrΓ³lewiec" (Province of Prussia andΒ KΓΆnigsberg in English, Provinz PreuΓen in German), as well as restoring all the original names of the Sovietized towns in the region, giving the Russian occupants some minority rights, and working on cultivating the pre-1945 history and culture (like rebuilding KΓΆnigsberg castle and other such projects) of the region to help restore awareness and continue to mend German-Polish relations, but that's still a big stretch.
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Difficult but not impossible. My family has traveled there since 1991. Where our ancestral lands were now there is strip mining for lead and a nearby lead factory. Statues of Stalin everywhere and the German culture gone. No matter what anyone says one cannot erase 1000 years of culture. I am sad when I see how it has become from what was Memel to the Elbe line.
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At least the southern half of East Prussia and Memel are in the EU. Northern East Prussia and KΓΆnigsberg are under Russian occupation.
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And they have turned the sacred lands into a wasteland.
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DonΒ΄t listen to soaringavens complains, he is a german-hater, he told me he thinks it was good and great
that the Sudetengermans were killed and expelled from their home, so that the czechish Γber-humans can get
that land.
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I'm not here to pass judgement on anyone, only to post and view maps and favourite photos of beautiful women.
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Ah, the old German borders were so much more pretty. Alas...
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Ummmm, what? O_o What part of Saxony and Prussia was lost to Czechoslovakia? I can only think of Hlucinsko ( VERY tiny region in Czech Silesia) which you didn't even include as "lost" on this map
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I didn't distinguish between WW1 losses and WW2 losses but HluΔΓn is definitely part of the general blob of yellow to the right, which counts under "huge chunk of Prussia"
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It is most definitely NOT! 
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The "Hutziner LΓ€ndchen" (Czech Hlucin), a part of Upper Silesia consisting of four villages with around 2,500 inhabitants of around 1300 czechs and 1200 germans, was giving to newly formed Czechoslovakia after WW1. And it is multiple dozen square kilometres, so very tiny is understating by a long shot.
You dont know your country's geography (you are welcome very much).
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I am afraid you are mistake my dear sir ^_^ The Hlucin region gained by our country is very much visible upon a map and is not included in this one.
When you know a little bit more about historical geography and study it, THEN come and correct me, alright? :3
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I am still afraid that it is there, if only partially, Ill give you that. But okay.
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I am still afraid it isn't
^_^
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sta.sh/085j55cprwa I'm afraid it is...
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I'm afraid it isn't 
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I don't know what point you're trying to make. The entirety of the German Reich as of 1914 is shown on this map. All territories under Imperial German control in 1914 but lost to Czechoslovakia, Poland, Russia, Lithuania, France, Belgium, and Denmark after WW1 and WW2 are present and coloured in, though not differentiated from each other.
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Oh. I guess I haven't stated "it's not correct" enough times. Or else how do you explain that you don't get my point?
If you seem so set on what you think as being correct, who am I to dissuade you. If you are interested in learning how it was, feel free to ask.
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The modern day Hlucin region is just a part (about half) of the area gained by CS. The exact border is unknown (the specific documents were destroyed during WWII) but from the maps I was shown it looked something like this:
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But I never intended to show the entire region as it was all never part of the German Empire! Only the part that was, which is included as territories lost.
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You still don't get me XD The map I sent, that was the land seceded to CS. The land you marked out as seceded Hlucin is just the borders of the MODERN region of Hlucinsko.
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But the borders on my map are the borders of Prussian Silesia and German Silesia with Austria on every single historical map and document you'll find
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That's because A. Those documents were lost during WWII and B. people usually don't bother to do research. They hear "Hlucinsko" and automatically take the modern region. That's like if when you say "Silesia" was owned by XXX state in the XXX century and you took the modern borders and applied them exactly.Β
Honestly, I trust our Historical Geography professor when it comes to . . . historical geography
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And I seriously doubt that all traces of the extremely well defined borders of the German Empire and Austria-Hungary and the meticulous records of the Treaty of Versailles were blotted out from every country during the Second World War
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As I said before, who am I to try to dissuade you from your path anyway? The best I can do is give you a contact for our professor
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Well I'd either have to take all the sources or your word for it at face value... and according to every source I've ever encountered, the border of Prussian Silesia and the Habsburg Czech lands established at the conclusion of the War of the Austrian Succession did not swoop down into the remainder of Austrian Silesia past Opava and Ostrava. It was more of a relatively clean cut as portrayed in every historical map I've ever seen, even those predating the First and Second World Wars. So we're going to have to agree to disagree on this
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