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Published: 2015-12-24 10:31:51 +0000 UTC; Views: 8108; Favourites: 98; Downloads: 17
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[SPOILERS]I spoke with some people saying that the end fight with Kylo Ren was a little underwhelming, like this powerful Sith should not have been having any trouble at all with an ex-stormtrooper and an untrained force-sensitive girl in a lightsaber fight. That, as powerful as he’s supposed to be, killing these two should’ve been like stomping on bugs if he was being serious. I’ve been thinking about that, and I think it can be explained by the fact that, Kylo Ren is going into this fight wounded, and it actually speaks volumes for how tough he is that he fights as well as he does. Right after he kills…a certain character, he’s shot by Chewbacca’s bowcaster. In several prior scenes, this bowcaster is established as a beast of a gun. A shot from this thing hits so hard it sends people flying, and they aren’t getting back up again. Kylo Ren not only survives being shot with the bowcaster, he’s exploded with demo charges, and he still manages to catch up and fight with greater strength and skill (if only barely) than both of his opponents even while he’s bleeding all over the place. It takes a serious badass to do that, I think he’s allowed to not be at his best under the circumstances.
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Haters are can hate Kylo all they want but I think he's the best character in the sequels. He has so much potential even tho they really ruined that in a way in the last Jedi but I loved that he's still human and shows it. I really hope survives ep 9 and redeems himself
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In the end he still failed, and got beaten by someone with no experience in lightsaber combat. I'm sorry but, Kylo Ren is still a massive screwup.
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It perturbs me that people are glorifying this pathetic twerp as a "badass". He even sucks as a Sith. That's what that is about.
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This is pretty funny. I have no idea if it's a reference from something though but it's good and I like it. Also I think he was playing around to test himself and Rey. I don't think he gets to fight with a lightsaber often which is why the fight scene was eh to some people. He's still in training and all of that jazz. Also somewhere I saw someone say he wasn't hitting himself to seem strong but for adrenaline to keep on fighting two people. He's been more human that a lot of evil poeple that were just evil. Also...dropping this by, it seems interesting. moviepilot.com/posts/3713302 Again, great job.
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Well, that is an interesting point of speculation, but five more movies? Five!? Good heavens, that already sounds like a stretch.
Anyway, the joke is referencing an old movie called Monty Python and the Holy Grail, and if you haven't seen it I recommend you head to the nearest video store and rent it. It's something that every comedy fan needs to see at least once.
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Yeah, it's interesting. I barely remember all the current ones because I was so young when they were out. xD
I know I need to see it. My brother has shown me and told me some things about it. Definitely need to find it now.
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OMG Yesssss! This is exactly what went through my head in the theaters as I watched it! Good job! Love it!
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It's doubly appropriate, since both Fin and Rey are played by British actors.
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Oh yeah. good point. It is hard to remember that. I hope to see the movie again this weekend and I'll try to remember this as I watch.
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that's more or less what I thought to. A stromtrooper that had only used a lightsaber in one battle(and a odd one at that) and someone who just learned about the force and would probably be more at home with a staff then a sword should be able to beat someone who has a lot more training with a lightsaber.
addition: Finn: Then what's that?
Kylo: It's only a flesh wound.
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I think it also goes to say that he isn't even a powerful sith lord either. I think it was easy for ren and his buddies to kill a bunch of teenagers and kids like Anakin did in the Jedi Temple in Revenge of the Sith. Sure he's strong with his force powers but he only was good at intimidating people and was rocking the "I'm the only guy in the galaxy with a lightsaber that looks cool". That and you don't need special training to sword fight in real life and using a lightsaber that is basically a glowing plasma sword is no different so it's plausable that Finn and Rey can use it to at least defend themselves from Ren as he widely slashes and stabs.
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The Dark Knight is always triumphant.... DUUUUUUUUHH !! XDD
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I agree. He even kind of beats at the wound on his side a bit just to show that he is aware of the pain there, but is not letting it get the upper hand on him. The guy must have a high pain tolerance, for the most part.
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As for being untrained - we've seen Rey kick some serious ass in the movie earlier, she's agile and great at climbing, so she has the stamina to keep up with him. Also, I believe that wielding a staff earlier might have helped her with wielding the lightsaber, she's at the very least used to close-range combat. Also, it is possible she was using the Force in a passive way, something Anakin did while still untrained (and Leia, according to Wookieepedia, though I don't know if that is canon any more). I was more surprised by how "well" Finn was keeping up, to which my brother replied that he had had combat training as a Stormtrooper. So they weren't completely helpless, either. I had absolutely no complaints about that battle whatsoever ^^
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You nailed this perfectly.
However, there's a technicality in your comments: Kylo Ren, for all his Dark Side abilities, is not a Sith. He's a Dark Jedi (something else a bit different than a Sith) and a Knight of Ren. His obvious lack of a Darth title is another bit of evidence. He and Supreme Commander Snoke may follow the Rule of Two on the surface but that's only what we see so far. We don't know if they're following any other Sith traditions at this point or even if the Rule of Two is even in effect.
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I wasn't thinking too hard about that at the time, and to be fair, only found out about the Knights of Ren afterwards, and just used the first label that came to mind. You're right of course. Technically, Kylo's not a Sith, for the reasons you pointed out. I think this time around the last name "Ren" is the identifying title for the villains (brilliantly deduced by the organization being called "Knights of Ren"), and if any other knights are revealed in future movies and media I bet they'll share the Ren name.
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That is totally understandable. ^w^
I'm still running on a high after seeing this last Wednesday and I'm going to be seeing it again soon.
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He's wounded, and he's also badly trained. He has no control over his temper and while he starts fights in traditional jedi stance, he quickly decends into random slashing and stabbing. A fully trained, fully fit jedi would own them both in a fight even though Finn and Rey are both combat trained themselves in different disciplines (blaster and bo), but he's wounded, angry and left his master before his training was complete. With that all in mind I thought the fight worked.
Also, I thought he seemed to have a bit of a thing for Rey, may well have been reluctant to kill her.
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Exactly! I got the feeling that Kylo Ren is the kind of villain that, rather than being at his peak right from the start, will develop into a greater threat as the movies progress, just as the heroes develop. It is said at the end by that "supreme leader" or whatever he's called that Ren still needs to complete his training.
If he does have any attraction to Rey, then that will likely be the angle through which Kylo Ren finds redemption in the end, if he is capable of it (or it could just develop into a creepy obsession. Either/or), which will probably become less and less likely with each movie as he goes further down his dark path. I think he's effectively abandoned any lingering attachment to his parents, which was flat out said to be one of the biggest obstacles facing him.
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Given that Hollywood generally, and Disney in particular, often puts a greater importance on mothers than fathers in terms of love (because they've never met my mum, obviously) I wouldn't be surprised if the parental angle comes back though I hope you're right. Either way, it's an interesting start to the story.
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Another good one would've been Kylo Ren and Rey staring at each other across the gorge and Ren saying "Alright, we call it a draw." But at the moment screenshots, and comedy options, are somewhat limited.
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Ok he was wounded but both of his opponents never used a lightsaber before... And he was able to "force push" Rey at the beginning of the fight, so I guess he could have done that more often instead of using his lightsaber
And Kylo Ren is too childish for me to take him seriously... I think he lacks the charism of grandpa Vader ^^
Anyway your picture made me laugh a lot
(and sorry for bad english)
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I personally feel Kylo's unstable nature makes him all the more dangerous, so I take him very seriously. Some of the most dangerous men in history were pretty unstable. Kylo's no different. Compared to pre-Vader Anakin Skywalker on his worst day, Kylo takes it up a notch. Anakin's lost his temper but not like that, even when he hit his lowest point in Revenge of the Sith when he nearly killed Padme and their twin children. While Vader usually choked people out, he did so rather calmly. Kylo's the extreme opposite but tended to take it out on machinery instead of others (which I find interesting) and he's potentially even stronger than Vader.
I read somewhere that Vader's potential was drastically cut after the events of Mustafar and being "rebuilt" into the cyborg we saw in the Original Trilogy. If the potential to use the Force depends on how organic you are, then that makes sense. To quote Obi-Wan in Return of the Jedi, "He's more machine now, than man." He had far more than limbs replaced after Mustafar. He had to have some parts of his life support system built into his body. Vader could deflect blaster shots but when was the last time he stopped one in mid-air? A grand total of zero.
Kylo could easily be pre-Vader Anakin's equal or slightly weaker in terms of raw power but where Anakin was a full-fledged Jedi Knight when he fell, Kylo's still very much an apprentice.
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Eh, I give Fin a little bit of leeway because he was a Stormtrooper after all, he did have combat training, lightsaber or no lightsaber, for whatever that was worth.
And yeah, Ren’s a bit childish, but I think that’s because he’s still pretty young. He couldn’t have been converted too long ago given his age, and look at how Anakin was like back in Episode Three after just turning to the dark side. When he appears as Darth Vader in A New Hope, he’s had 19 years of time and experience to train and mature, time that Kylo Ren clearly has not had. It’s even said by the new Emperor guy (I can’t remember what his name and title was) that Kylo Ren needs to complete his training.
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Okay but fighting with a lightsaber isn't really the same thing than fighting with a blaster, don't you think ?
Ren may be young but Anakin didn't destroyed inanimate object when angry when he was his age... And also he had a reason to come to the dark side, while Ren seems to have join it just to annoy his parents (I guess it's more complicated than that but as is it showed in the movie, I can't help myself thinking that...)
Since you look pretty well informed about this episode VII, I have a question for you : who is the Leia's "old ally" (the old guy who gives the map to Po at the beginning) ? do you think he appeared in the original trilogy ?
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I’ll admit, I had no idea who the “old ally” was supposed to be. That actually had me a little distracted in the theater, watching the beginning I was thinking “Who is this guy? Is he someone important, someone I’m supposed to recognize, I don’t think Max von Sydow has ever been in a Star Wars movie before, so…who is he?” And then Kylo Ren kills him and I immediately concluded that Max was simply fulfilling the role of the old wise side character that dies, and is of no further relevance. In in the interests of answering your question, I actually had to look it up on Wookieepedia just to find out the character’s name: Lor San Tekka, and as I suspected The Force Awakens was the character’s first and only appearance in any Star Wars media.
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That's a bit disappointing...
But thanks for sharing
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