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Description I know very little about the spec of this vessel other than the tonnage, year of design and purpose of design.

This ship is closely related to the 1917 Tillman design project:
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The goal of the design is to see how much Battleship you can squeeze in the Panama locks.

But this one was designed in the late thirties hence her tower resembling that of the reconstructed New Mexico Class battleships.
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I see this ship as a New Mexico battleship on Hardcore Steroids.

Anyways.
what makes this vessel so elusive is that it was designed in an era where the maximum tonnage of battleship was capped at 35,000 tons (The Washington and London Naval treaties).
This beast is 45,000 tons overweight.
I've seen US designs in the 30s but this was the biggest.

Another aspect what makes this vessel noteworthy is it's gun caliber.
It sports the largest gun of any American ship I know of (20 Inch Guns).

But I just have one curious question regarding this vessel.
How do you stabilize a vessel that's armed with 8 x 20 inch guns that's nearly 1000 ft in lenght but has a maximum beam of 110 ft.
The unusually high position of the secondary armament doesn't help stabilization either.
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108e8e99e8 [2021-04-16 10:50:04 +0000 UTC]

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leovictor In reply to 108e8e99e8 [2021-04-16 13:24:41 +0000 UTC]

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115USMValor [2018-10-04 17:59:05 +0000 UTC]

In my opinion, This ship looks like it doesn't have enough secondaries and also doesn't have enough Anti Air batteries on it.

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108e8e99e8 In reply to 115USMValor [2021-04-16 10:51:06 +0000 UTC]

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leovictor In reply to 108e8e99e8 [2021-04-16 13:23:18 +0000 UTC]

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108e8e99e8 In reply to leovictor [2021-04-16 13:24:02 +0000 UTC]

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leovictor In reply to 108e8e99e8 [2021-04-16 13:25:37 +0000 UTC]

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leovictor In reply to 115USMValor [2018-10-04 23:51:50 +0000 UTC]

Sources vary but the secondaries are either 20 x 6 inch or the 20 X 5 inch in twin mounts.

www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum…

As for AA batteries.

Name me one ship in 1934 that had "enough" AA batteries.

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115USMValor In reply to leovictor [2018-10-05 17:45:00 +0000 UTC]

Is the Montana an option in this case for this argument of having β€œEnough” AA Batteries by any chance?

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leovictor In reply to 115USMValor [2018-10-05 23:01:39 +0000 UTC]

This 76,000 ton Max battleship was designed when the majority of Naval aviation craft

had two wings stacked on top of another and the body consisted of canvas.

When this ship was penned down they thought 16 x 1.1 inch cannons were sufficient.

Now seeing how Bismarck fared with shooting down Swordfish biplanes we can say that

the AA guns of this ship were horrendously inadequate even for the day.


As for Montana.

When the design was finalized in early 1942 she had an AA battery of 40 X 40mm Bofors cannons.

Which by 1942 standards is inadequate for a ship that size.

Had Montana been completed as planned by late 1945 she would have carried at least 96 Bofors cannons

with the remaining empty deck space reserved for 20mm Oerlikons.


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115USMValor In reply to leovictor [2018-10-06 00:06:35 +0000 UTC]

I get of what your saying, The Chicago Piano as it was called was more of a hog to even fire it without it jamming. I could see this Maximum design wielding both the Bofors and Oerlikons had it been built.

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