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Description These are the last Austro-Hungarian Giants.
These vessels were designed around 1917 and were the last in the line of the Austro-Hungarian Empire naval battleships.
The battleship in the foreground would have been around 42,000 tons and armed with 8x 16,5 Inch/420mm guns.
(In the background is the Battlecruiser version)

These ships were a tad wishful thinking since the Austro-Hungarian empire already experienced headache to complete the Tegentoff class battleships that were a mere 20,000 tons.
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Tzoli [2012-02-07 15:39:42 +0000 UTC]

Our once proud navy's newer were ships I've coloured this as well. But if the 2 turreted battlecruiser if would have built I assume it would end up either as scrap, training ship, gunnery training hull or as Furious, Glorious and Courageous as Carriers.

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leovictor In reply to Tzoli [2012-02-07 17:23:54 +0000 UTC]

Before the age of radar and even proper centralized fire-control the minimum number of guns on a BB or BC to deem it effective as in have a sufficient chance to find range was 6 guns.

A 4 gun warship especially one armed with 16.5 Inch guns would have almost no chance in hitting an enemy ship with WW1 rangefinders especially given the effective range these guns have.

If the Kuk marine was allowed to survive the best option was to convert cruiser monsters to Carriers.

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RavenFeather23 [2010-03-18 23:41:25 +0000 UTC]

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ebarr [2008-12-19 14:56:46 +0000 UTC]

And of course the guns are but one aspect of the design. The Tegetthoff class suffered from attempting to put too much into too small a ship. Trying to jump into building such a big ship without the experience I would guess would have been problematic.

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leovictor In reply to ebarr [2008-12-26 13:45:17 +0000 UTC]

Well this design was pretty decent compared to the Tegetthoff and far more balanced.

Tegethoff was designed just before German R&D managed to put some feedback to the KuK Marines ships.

This giant was designed after lessons learned from The Battle of Jutland so if constructed would have still been a pretty tough ship to deal with by WW2 standards.

see link.. look up design V and VI


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Russian link:


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ebarr [2008-12-16 12:14:24 +0000 UTC]

I think the level of wishful thinking was a lot higher than 'a tad', good picture though.

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leovictor In reply to ebarr [2008-12-17 23:16:20 +0000 UTC]

Oh you think?

The 16.5 Inch guns were designed by Skodaworks armaments facility.
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They would have been around 110 to 130 tons.. and bigger than the guns aboard the Iowa class battleship.
(The Iowa mark 7 16 Inch guns were made with a more advance and lightweight fabrication techique)
The problem was the position of the Skodaworks armament fascility and the shipyard in the Austro Hungarian empire.

Transporting the guns itself and the turret machenism, loading gear, hydraulics, by rail would have been an absolute nightmare at that distance.

Before you install a gun turret on a battleship in the shipyard you first have to assemble it on the weapons firm and work it on site to do de needed testing and setting.

Not only the turret but the entire barbette (The platform the turret is resting on with it's machenical content, hydraulics, elevation gears, shell handeling room, training gears, motors, etc......).

Once the testing and putting together is complete...you need to dissemble the structure ...and haul it to pieces by RAIL to the shipyard.

The, the guns, turret, and the whole mechanical system is so complex to put together it takes longer to design and built the gun system than the whole ship itself that will carry the system. Allot of Precishion goes into designing the Gun turret. (And not taking into account the design and reliability and balistic testing phase for the 16.5 Inch guns that usually takes about 18 months to 2 years..)

This class of battleship has 4 such turrets per ship.
(and about 4 ships in a class if I'm not mistaking if everything goes well.
A total of 16 turrets and 32 guns.)

Okay here is where the nightmare starts.

Haul 4 dissasembled turrets and guns and Barbettes and etc destined for 1 ship, from Skodaworks (now in the Czech Republic) by rail all the way to the shipyard Located in Trieste (At that time a shipyard for the Austro-Hungarian Empire but now part of Italy).

They did it with the Tegetthoff class and it already caused problems.
[link]

Do it with this 16.5 gunned beast and you get a whole new level of nightmare.

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