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2 Samuel 22:8-15 (KJV)Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth. There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled. The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them.
Isaiah 14:12-15 (21st Century KJV)
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, who didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, `I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High.' Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."
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A Creation theoretical construct that has always intrigued me. Perhaps not only did Lucifer & his angels fall, but a pre-adamic animal creation as dinosaurs may have perished prior to the renewing of the earth (Psalm 104:30) described in Genesis 1:3-31. It is all theory, but the Scripture given remains powerful indeed.
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Special thanks and credit to my incredibly talented brother and friend frail for the awesome angel battle depicted in his masterpiece "I - ACROSS THE STARS " -- frail.deviantart.com/art/I-ACR…
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Stock:
Fawn - Shoofly-Stock
Butterflies - Shoofly-Stock
Brushes:
Asteroid - M1cro5lave
Trees - orchidee
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I'm curious about where this "pre-adamic" theory you mention in your artist note comes from and the scriptural basis for it. Why would there have been any animal creations before the original creation in Genesis 1? The part about the dinosaurs--weren't they created on day 6, with the rest of the land animals? Just curious as to your thoughts since you seem to be very well-studied.
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Hi,
Please review the "basic" position here, keeping in mind that it is a "theoretical construct":
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I've always been fascinated with Gen 1:2. 'Now the earth was (*or became) formless and empty...'
If the alternative translation is taken as literal this then implies that the earth had not always been formless and empty. So what was before it and what happened that made it formless and empty? I've always thought that the Bible is written on a 'need to know' basis.
Gen. 1:28 'Be fruitful and multiply, replenish the earth and subdue it'. The definition of replenish is to re-fill, implying that it was once full before and this was lost and needs to be refilled.
This definition could possibly be the answer to the long standing question about the dinosaurs. Not that it makes any difference to the message of the gospel itself.
I love this picture, especially the epic battle between Michael and the devil being cast down to Earth, fatally wounded yet heals. That bit by itself would make an excellent picture. How about it....
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Very good points, I had not realized that verse and the word replenish. Thanks for sharing. Scientifically it is very difficult to support other theories without forcing the same. As I begin lesson's in this chapter, I always remind the students that the Bible is the history of the redemption of man, not of the fall of angels & extinction of dinosaurs. The bottom line is that the Word must flow as well. I see this theory as one of those of my liking.
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Before I got born again I had begun to write a book called 'Genesis; A recent occurrance'. This was the theme of the first chapter of the book. Chapter two was about the Tree of knowledge of good and evil. The knowledge of good and evil being the very essence of free will. Chapter three was about the possibilty of humans inhabiting the earth for far longer than the time of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were just the first farmers. And it has also been proved that the oldest known farming community was in the region of northern Iraq, which is also the favoured place of the Garden of Eden. This corresponds with Gen.4:16 - So Cain went out of the Lords presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. The word Nod means wandering. To be a wanderer is to be a nomad. Cain therefor live in the land of the nomads, the 'other people' not chosen by God to know him personaly. Those who were not farmers. This would make Adam and Eve not the first people on earth but the first to know God. As He had chosen them to be the bloodline of the Christ to come.
However, I got born of the Spirit just after I scribbled in red pencil all over it 'IRRELEVANT, IRRELEVANT'. And it did literally lose all it's value as it meant nothing to know the facts or otherwise of the beginning. What was important was the gospel of Jesus Christ. And so I have added nothing to the book since.
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I understand. You have some very good observations there. I personally have another take on it and believe that Adam and Eve were indeed the literal first created humans. We must take into consideration that Seth (Abel's replacement) was born when Adam was around 130 years of age. That was plenty of age to inhabit the earth by the forst families and even to have the inhabitants of the land of Nod and we take into account that Scripture does not always mention every child that is born to a husband and wife. Genesis 5:1-4 is a great example of this.
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I too believe that Adam and Eve were the first now. After contemplating the teachings of Jesus one night I realised that if I had accepted his truth then I must also accept the truth of the Old Testament, as Jesus would have corrected the apostles about it if it had not been the purest of truth. Plus reading your journal about the way God covered Adam and Eve in the animal skins was the first animal sacrifice to cover their first sin made so much sense. Then I read about how being the first, they were not subject to generations of the curse, like we are. Thus they were genetically perfect and would not have succomed to all the disease there is about in this day and age. So being genetically perfect there was no reason to put restrictions of who they could marry as there was no inherited genetic disorders around yet. Not until Moses did God have to start putting restrictions because of inherited genetic disorders. As you said, not every child was mentioned, otherwise there would be a geneology of the OT as long as the whole Bible!
I've noticed the repeat of the same theme again and again throughout the Bible: apostacy - warning - exile - forgiveness - acceptance. The book of Hosea is a perfect parable of this theme.
A couple of nights ago I had a vision. It only lasted a couple of seconds. I was in a fishing boat with several other people and we were hunting a whale. We all shot our harpoons at the same time and they all harpooned in the whale. But rather than killing the whale the whale took off and dragged the fishing boat with it. I'm not entirely certain of it's meaning but the first thought I had after was that God is way bigger than I can ever handle or even fathom, and not just for me but for everybody. I could be wrong. Have you any other possible ideas?
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Very good observations. Scientifically (the nerd I am) I have studied the genetic condition that must existed then, together with entropy being just at its start, where man lived in a more organized universe = better genetic composition.
I like when you said that you see a repeat: apostacy - warning - exile - forgiveness - acceptance. We call it the Deuteronomical law, the law of repetition seen in Scriptures. A time aproaches where we will see the mother of apostacies rise with the Beast (Rev 17)... Christ is coming SOON!
I am not too sure about the whale, but your application certainly makes a lot of sense. One of my favorite passages in Scripture, speaks of this... Job 26 [link]
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That must have been an interesting study into the genetic condition at the beginning. What sort of conclusions did you come up with?
I hadn't heard of the Deuteronomical law before. Are you a teacher of Religious studies or something?
The world has never been in such an apostate state before. It is indeed the great falling away. I even saw a crucifix in the sky the other day and immediately thought of Matthew 24:30. I took a picture of it
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I actually did teach in a Bible Institute for several years Bible Theology & Christian Education. However, I have dedicated most of my Christian life to apologetics and I own a Spanish Apologetics forum called Verdad Cristiana (Christian Truth).
Genetics is something that fascinates me as well as science as a whole. I am your typical nerd reading Quantum Mechanics lol... I wrote something recently in the subject here: [link]
I loved that picture... so, so cool.
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Wow, I really enjoyed reading that article on the mutation in the genes. The funny thing is I used to be a staunch evolutionist before I got born again. I used to think creationists were blinded to scientific facts and ignorant of obvious errors to thier thinking. After I accepted The Word as being Truth then I started to doubt my own theories. Then I read a booklet entitled 'The Delusion of Evolution'. That made me realise the complexity of the genetic sequence in just the simplest of organisms. To then apply the same complexity on the much grander scale of something like the human being is just mind bloggling!
I wish I could understnad such stuff as quantumm mechanics, but alas, my feeble mother-brain cannot grasp anything much beyond the basic proton-neutron-electron. I had another crazy theory about the atomic structure being a representation of the Trinity. Here's a link to it [link]
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