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BH-Ouji In reply to KannaDBZ [2017-02-22 20:55:07 +0000 UTC]

Ditto

Althought he had to took the title of killing Cell by his dear uncle - Raditz

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Lizardona In reply to greenapple2014 [2014-04-04 17:40:49 +0000 UTC]

I actually don't agree with you.

The dark atmo made it serious, something that was lacking most Anime I was watching that time (mind you I was around 11 or 12). In 2001/2002 when it first aired in German free-TV there were only Pokémon, Digimon and such alternatives (at least those I was aware of) and were way too childish and not nearly as deep with their story. The Cell games confronted us with some darkness, yeah death was a serious topic, because Goku was not able to come back, but that is how things are. I would have liked it if Toriama would have showed us how the other characters coped with that, the timeskip was alright to me, because it was necessary for the story and to be honest it would have been boring if there wouldn't have been the skip. Still was the Sayjaman ridiculous and I personally think that he was about to ruin DragonBall... 

Sure the Anime always had its funny moments, but this alter ego of Gohan was pushing its limits... Sure he didn't want for his classmates to find out about him, but that is no excuse for behaving like such an idiot. It backfired (or not ) anyway when Videl found out...

And about the personality:

I think that teen Gohan had more character then the "adult" Gohan...

When we think back to the kid Piccolo started to train there was a great development to the little whiny brat we met. He became strong, turned Super-Sayjan at a way younger age than his father and Vegeta. He stood up to his opinion and was strong in his own way, sure he afraid of Chi-Chi, but he dared to disobey, he dared to show her that in his opinio saving the world or even the universe was more important than studying and I think he was right. I mean what use has knowledge to you when you can't use it? But as "adult" Gohan he was always obeying her very wish, he even stopped training and lost his spine. I would go as far as saying that he forgot his origin... 

I am not saying that your opinion is wrong, you can have that opinion, but with this I wanted to explain to you I made that pic.

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greenapple2014 In reply to Lizardona [2014-04-04 23:14:33 +0000 UTC]

I respect your opinion and actually I agree, sorry for being rough with my comment, is jut that I don't like this new direction of Dragon Ball, in my opinion the original Dragon ball(not Z) was better, and yes, it was good that they get a little dark but they are other franchise's that lost all his respect for become dark like the Sonic franchise . I'm not saying that having dark moments is bad, series like Full Metal Alchemist can be awesome . but in dragon ball is not really balanced because they focus to much in Vegeta at one point it feels out of place. Something I like about the new movie Battle of God is the atmosphere of the villain when he beat Gok but when they said he meet Vegeta in the past is wen it become hard to watch.I do not want that they continue the anime after the movie because I'm afraid is going to end like SpongeBob (mrenter.deviantart.com/art/Spo… all the bad episode after the movie and the worst and darkest is this ) and more than the franchise I am more worried about Goku character, they focus only in make him stronger but he nearly had character development, he probably going to get flanderized at one point is going to become into this www.youtube.com/v/KPXgARDOuC0?… .

As for Gohan, "kid" and "adult" are the same character, but I consider his "kid" version as his backstory, besides they only train him to become a fighter not a hero, and I think "adult" Gohan is more likable as a character, caring for his mother and his not expected little brother, he just wants to be happy, after all the pain and suffering he have to deal I was thankful he don't become suicidal or have to consume prozac to be happy. And you can't lost something you never have, the only moment he become a saiyan is when he was in SSJ2 in the cell saga, after Goku dead I think this represents his character more.

Thank you for respecting my opinion and sorry if I offended you.

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Lizardona In reply to greenapple2014 [2014-04-10 17:41:38 +0000 UTC]

You didn't offend me at all, I just felt the need to tell my thoughts and explain why I made this pic (seeing as others seem to agree xD )

I on the other like the development tey make...
I liked DB (where Goku is still a kid), but I like DBZ more, because there actually characters that go through a development, such as Picollo or Vegeta.

I don't really get all your Spongebob references, because I think that it is a useless cartoon...

Sure as a Shonen Goku is always supposed to be the hero and victor in his battles, the more I like it when others are included and given the chance to change something about the way things may happen (as small as that might bee...)

I agree with you that Goku had no development regarding his character and that is why I like Vegeta the most. Goku always was the nice guy, there seemed to be no need for him to change and he actually never did, which is okay with his past and all... but it made everything preditable and after a while boring.
With DBZ they went so far in the past that an actual new plot was created.
For me it became more interesting to see other, new characters that actually turned to the good side. I wouldn't have enjoyed to see another 300 and something episodes of the good guy Goku defeating one enemy after the other without there being conflicts. You could say that, together with its audience, DB grew up and matured. It even has a message for us, if not even more: Everyone deserves a second chance. That is shown with both Picollo and Vegeta and of course they would focus more on Vegeta now, it is about the sayjan race after all and Goku could never have any knowledge of that...

Regarding the scene with kid Vegeta from the movie: I liked it, it just showed what relation Bills had to the sayjans and WHY Vegeta was so scared of him and at this point in DBZ there really was not so much that could scare him or he couldn't defeat...

I think your issue with the development of DB is that they, at some points, distanced themselves from Goku and put other characters in center of the story, like Vegeta.

Regarding Gohan:
Yeah that was their first intention, so that he could help defeating Nappa and Vegeta, but that also meant saving the world and that would result in being a hero ^^ And he could also care for Chi-Chi an Goten while fighting, I don't see the problem with that... Chi-Chi just didn't want for him to fight anymore, I think because she was afraid she would lose him too (an understandable fear), but Goten was secretely training with Trunks anyway... I think Goten could have gained experience and skill if Gohan would have looked out for his little brother, because in the end Trunks was the one stronger and more skilled.
And you are wrong Gohan didn't become in one moment a sayjan... he is one by birth, he has it in his blood, Gohan later just chooses to not act after it, unlike Goku, Goten, Vegeta and Trunks. 
I even don't think that he would have become suicidal at all... in the DB universe Gohan already knows what expects him once he dies and he knows that, with time, he would see his father again and then they would spent the eternity together, so no need rush things.

Again, this is not intended to be insulting, I merely am showing you my thoughts an yours ^^

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greenapple2014 In reply to Lizardona [2014-04-17 06:43:17 +0000 UTC]

thanks for having a quiet conversation, and remember, this is just my opinions and is not to insult anyone, and sorry for my grammar, english is not my native language.

The reason I like DB more than DBZ is because if his writing, in DB the other characters have there moment, in DBZ they are treated like trash, before DBZ, characters like Yamcha have some respect but in DBZ they become a joke because they don't give them enough spotlight, for example, in the cartoon called Regular show one of there character called Rigby died four times in the show but he still have a respect in the fanbase because is an important character, Krillin died three times in the manga and he nearly has respect in the fanbase because the writers did not know how to balance his character in the plot, even Goku have that problem(I do not believe he is a bad father, is just that Toriyama was not expecting to go too far after the namek saga).

I use SpongeBob reference because he is the prime example of a cartoon or anime that if they continue the series is can get bad, after his movie the show was suppose to end but Nickelodeon want more episode and it got really bad,

the cartoon have ranged from annoying to vile to cruel, we've gone from episodes about selling chocolate bars door-to-door to episodes featuring a grotesque infected splinter and episodes making fun of suicide. Is now a series that need to die along with Nickelodeon and I really scare that the Dragon ball series is going to have the same destiny.

I have no problem with Goku being the main character, he is the main character after all, but things like the SSJ3 is totally useless, the Majin buu saga it would be better if goku can only go in SSJ2 because if he is not strong enough his decision to make Goten and Trunks fight against Majun Buu would be more understandable, including his decision to not power up when he was fighting against majin vegeta, because that form have no impact in the plot , the SSJ3 did not kill kid buu it was the Spirit Bomb who kill him and it would be awesome to see Goku distracting Fat buu with his techniques like in the classic's.

The reason why I don't like the idea to vegeta be an important character is because he force the plot. His character is awesome, he even has my respect, but his impact in the plot creates a waste of opportunities, for example, Piccolo was suppose to become majin, but the co-writers of Toriyama said that the idea is bad and it would be better if Vegeta become majin, as a result we have Vegeta stealing spotlight and Piccolo and Krillin become statues by Dabura, he even make Goku like a stupid in  And it would have been better if he stay dead after his sacrifice, because if that really happen dead would be treated seriously instead of becoming a joke and we would remember Vegeta as a hero. The movie it would be better if Piccolo was the one who take care of Bills like he did with super buu, he is the brains of the team so why not him? And I don't like the idea of saiyans become something important in the story because it don't make sense, why no Namek's they are more godlike than saiyans, after all they can created the dragon balls. 
My reaction of Vegeta power up in battle of gods was like this without the harsh words.

Regarding Gohan:

He have no motivation to become a fighter or or become stronger because:

-He have a mother and a unexpected brother to take care.

-He have no motivation to continue his training

-He does not have a happy memory related with fighting, most of his friend dies in front of his eyes because of that and if we compare him whit kid Goku, you can see a difference.

-They are no reason to defend the planet because Goku said that if he staid dead nobody will come to attack the planet, Friezar was the strongest of the universe and Cell was crated with his DNA, they are no logical reason to someone be more strongest than Friezar, Majin Buu and Dabura are based on magic en when Toriyama finish the cell saga he was no planing to continue the seires so Majin buu does not exist in term of writing.

-He was never traumatized to death when he was study.

-they never teach him to be a hero.(Probably the only super hero we have in dragon ball is future Trunks because he is not interested in test his strength with new rivals).

-He is free to make his own decisions(I really wish people stop saying that Chi Chi force him to study after the cell saga forgetting the fact that she let Gohan to dress as the Great saiyaman with no problem, and I don't get why dragon ball fans considered that Chi Chi ambition of Gohan education is a sin but killing billions of life is ok)
-His father dies because he was arrogant with wis power, if Goku dies because he was not strong enough that would be a motivation to train, but instead of that he get a trauma.

He just want to live his life, they only way I can see him continue fighting is if he use his training to hurt himself as a way of punishing himself(almost like cutting himself but with training), or if he become in to an arrogant unlikeable stupid, almost like a saiyan wannabe. I don't get why is a crime to hime to be the great saiyaman, I agree that is a bit dumb but I prefer to him to be a happy guy helping people instead of kill them, the same is for characters like Tien, Chi Chi, Yamcha and Krillin, and the great saiyaman did not ruin his character, I dont se him doing poses in from of super buu, the great saiyaman shows us that he is still the innocent kid with pure heart, and it was Bulma idea, he just having fun with the suit, not to mention, when he grow up he was more confidence for himself, and maybe he knows what expects him once he dies, but he is still a kid in that moment, at her age they are in school with friends at his age, not in death battle against Planet busters, he probably wish that he had never been born because of his fault his mother lost his husband and his brother never meet his father, kids at 10 years old have a moment when they wish that he had never been born for minor reason, Gohan have more reason to wish that, he even said that he hate himself when Goku dies v2012.mangapark.com/manga/dbz/… .
And no, I do not believe he is the best character of dragon ball, I'm just defending him. 

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Lizardona In reply to Feylie [2012-10-17 20:45:21 +0000 UTC]

haha ja

naja, dass sie schuld is daran besteht kein zweifel ^^
immerhin konnte er auch dann nichmehr so wirklich trainieren, wenn selbst goten und trunks besser sind :/

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MagicalKeyPizzaDan In reply to superlinkfighter [2013-06-30 14:29:46 +0000 UTC]

i agree oh gohan you become pussy nowdays when you a teen you all badass but this makes you look very idiotic

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superlinkfighter In reply to MagicalKeyPizzaDan [2013-07-16 05:53:10 +0000 UTC]

the only saving grace gohan had, was when he got that power boost from the old kai!!

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MagicalKeyPizzaDan In reply to superlinkfighter [2013-07-16 05:56:02 +0000 UTC]

it so true i facepalms at gohan so hard when he so scared of chichi i was like come on gohan you stands up to chichi when you was kid and he should be like teen gohan more not all wimpy and pussy like

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superlinkfighter In reply to MagicalKeyPizzaDan [2013-07-19 05:41:58 +0000 UTC]

he stood up to her once, and the only reason he did was because he wanted to go to namek and wish piccolo back!! i would have stood up to her too if that was the case. and even as a teen he was still scared of her, the poor kid had a nightmare about her coming in the hyperbolic time chamber and yelling at him...and then cell appeared...and a lot of shit occurred!! and to be honest, it didn't really bother me so much that gohan, goku, or even piccolo were scared of chi-chi. it was the fact that gohan let his mother turn him into such a book nerd that he neglected his training to the point it degraded him down to yamcha's skill level of fighting!! over 7 years of peace and his ridiculous studying caused him to become lazy and soft, and he lost his sharp battle sense!! that is what made him a wuss.

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MagicalKeyPizzaDan In reply to superlinkfighter [2013-07-19 06:12:52 +0000 UTC]

so true now i wishes to go to chichi slaps her in face so hard as super saiyan for all pain of gohan

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superlinkfighter In reply to MagicalKeyPizzaDan [2014-10-26 08:19:00 +0000 UTC]

i doubt that would fix anything, i would just want to make her understand that without gohan's strength and the strength of goku and his friends...she wouldn't have the peaceful life that she cherishes so much. i understand that she worries about their safety and doesn't want to endure the pain of losing them but she needs to get over the fact that her husband as well as her son are both fighters and have never nor will they ever be completely human. not to mention her son, husband and his friends are the only ones that she has to fall back on for protection and the assurance of gohan's future. because without them...there is no future!! i'll bet if someone had enough balls to explain it to her that way, she would be a lot more understanding.

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MagicalKeyPizzaDan In reply to superlinkfighter [2014-10-26 08:25:21 +0000 UTC]

True but sadly no one told about that to her.

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ncfwhitetigress In reply to superlinkfighter [2013-04-12 03:54:18 +0000 UTC]

agreed

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superlinkfighter In reply to ncfwhitetigress [2013-04-12 05:36:07 +0000 UTC]

Im glad somebody other than me thinks so, I was so embarrased when I saw gohan in that stupid outfit....and those poses....sweet jesus!! -_-;

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ncfwhitetigress In reply to superlinkfighter [2013-04-12 09:39:12 +0000 UTC]

I know, it was mortifying.

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MagicalKeyPizzaDan In reply to ToadBirgade64 [2013-06-30 14:30:57 +0000 UTC]

i agreed with you great saiyanman is very not good idea makes me faceplams this reason why i likes teen gohan so much

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Lizardona In reply to KrazyKat001 [2012-02-28 21:06:47 +0000 UTC]

haha yeah this is really bad xD

we should kick his ass more than just once for that shit

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Lizardona In reply to Adeto [2012-02-28 20:56:17 +0000 UTC]

haha I liked the great torunament xD when piccolo destroyed all cameras

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Adeto In reply to Lizardona [2012-02-29 01:32:50 +0000 UTC]

Yeh that was cool.

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Lizardona In reply to silverhedgehog2009 [2012-02-28 20:53:09 +0000 UTC]

well I think I know what you mean ^^

and yeah saiyaman really sucks... can't stand that x_x

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