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a headcanon I have for Fallen Leaves!!!BEFORE YOU COMMENT READ THIS DESCRIPTION
if you comment something nasty I will hide and ignore your comment, questions that are not answered by the followed description are welcome!! just be respectful
first off, a he/him lesbian is a person who is attracted to woman and identifies as a woman, or a woman-aligned nonbinary person and uses he/him pronouns, whether it's because of a complex relationship with gender or just because those are the pronouns that feel right
A HE/HIM LESBIAN IS NOT A STRAIGHT TRANS MAN, trans men are men, and men cannot be lesbians, if you call a trans guy a he/him lesbian you are misgendering them
pronouns do not necessarily equal gender, I am agender, which means I am genderless, but I still use she/her and he/him pronouns, and do not use they/them for myself, I cannot explain the reason behind this, it's just how I feel, she and he feel right for me, and they feels wrong, because of this I do feel inclined to state my gender whenever my pronouns are mentioned, or state my pronouns whenever my gender is mentioned b/c otherwise it's assumed wrong, but I cannot change what pronouns I feel comfortable with any more than I can change my gender, the same thing goes with people who identify as women and use he/him
also when I say pronouns do not equal gender I do NOT mean that you can just ignore someone's preferred pronouns, it's just means that anyone of any gender can use whatever pronouns they feel fit them!!!
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THANK YOU!! getting the stripes right were a pain but I'm happy w/ the end result
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pronouns are gendered or else pronouns wouldnt exist UwU
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so hard to take this seriously especially after reading the rest of the thread and you unironically calling @.lttleghost a sjw lmao
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or they exist so you dont have to say someone or somethings name over and over, because... that's their real purpose... to be a name substitute
so names usually are connected with one gender, but it doesnt mean that every person with that name will be the gender it's associated with
same with pronouns, it can often mean one gender, but sometimes not, you feel what ones are comfortable similarly to how you might choose the name you go by (unless ofc you're comfortable with your birth name)
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lmao k then but he/him lesbians arent valid soΒ Β
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if pronouns are just name replacements, which they are, then it means some women and woman aligned nonbinary ppl use he/him, and if they only like other women, then they're a he/him lesbian
it's not like... someone saying you can still be a lesbian if you like men or that men are lesbians (he/him lesbians are NOT straight trans men) it's literally just pronouns dont equal gender, it spans beyond he/him lesbians, there's also just he/him women, she/her men, and she/he nonbinary ppl, like myself!! I'm genderless but go by she/her or he/him
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I cant reply to this person anymore because they blocked me but I think what I typed hopefully may be of use for others so here's what I would've replied:
it's a hard thing to explain but my pronouns dont feel connected to my gender, they feel more connected to my... personality?? they're like my name, it's an identity beyond my gender (and I've compared pronouns to gender a few times already b/c... that's what they are, name replacements)
it does make me feel like I need to be SUPER VOCAL about me being agender but it's because it's not common knowledge that genderless ppl do go by pronouns that are considered gendered (I'm not the only one though I've met others) the connection the pronouns have to other genders on their own don't really feel like anything
but it's rather assumptive to say "might as well be genderfluid then" just based off of the words I use so you dont have to say my name over and over, like you know nothing of my experiences with my gender identity or really ANYTHING about me at all, why should I take your magical thinking that pronouns define everything about an idividuals experience with gender even if you know nothing else abt them?
I'm kinda gathering you're probably a decent bit younger than me, it kinda takes awhile to warm up to the idea unless you run into it personally like I did, just think about it a lil harder, think about pronouns purpose as a different form of name, and how names extend in expression beyond gender, and if we can respect and accept each others pronouns and gender then what difference does it make, maybe transphobes will be assholes abt it but true allies and other non-gatekeeping trans ppl I hope will just beleive eachother and not try to assign genders to eachother based on any other words than that person telling you their gender
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doesnt that cause dysphoria??? might as well be genderfluid then?????? like lmao i cant take you seriously, god sjws man
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Dysphoria is different person to person. I have a buddy who doesnβt like to look in mirrors before they shower cause of it, and one from, the wrong name being said doesnβt trigger it, but the pronouns do, then one of the people my girlfriend knows doesnβt really ever feel it, he described it βitβs there, but not big enough for it to be a major problemβ
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He/him fallen leaves is incredible and so valid thank you for making this
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This definitely gave me a different perspective on gender and pronouns, ahh, thank you for opening my view on the world a little more <3
It does make sense, even if its a little bit confusing.Β
In fact, I know someone irl who identifies as a non-binary and a lesbian. So people out there do have identities such as this and they are as valid as any other.Β
Thank you for this wonderful post <3
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Not to sound rude or close minded but this concept just doesn't make sense to me at all,,
It sounds like cis heterosexuality but with extra steps
The term lesbian refers to females who are into other females. If this concept of Fallen Leaves was a "he/him lesbian" then wouldn't that just make him straight because he identifies as a he/him and is attracted to females? I'm not implying he's trans (I read the description) but this just confuses me. This is basically saying he's straight,,
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it's simple, Fallen Leaves is female, but uses he/him pronouns, pronouns don't necessarily equal gender (I am an example, I use she/her and he/him pronouns yet I am genderless) so he's a girl who likes other girls and therefore is a lesbian, he just uses unusual pronouns for his gender
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Okay but you're gender-less and use a variety of pronouns because you don't necessarily side with one or the other, that's a bit different from my perspective but, thanks for your example.
And honestly? That's just super misleading to everyone for someone to use he/him which are male pronouns when they identify as a woman and are sexually/romantically interested in other women. In a real life situation (assuming Fallen Leaves would be a human) everyone would believe that they are a man and would treat them as such instead of treating them as the female they identify as. Wouldn't it make them feel dysphoria? Plus, for the other cis/trans women he'd be with, wouldn't it be weird for them if they were other lesbians as well?
It's super confusing for someone to identify flat-out as male (no matter if they're trans, etc) and use "she/her" pronouns and a female to use "he/him" prounouns. It's just unusual and kind of fucks w/the way we think about language. I'm not trying to purposefully invalidate your headcanon or say it's wrong to identify as this, but I'm just pointing out that there's a lot of confusion within this headcanon which could lead to a lot of other comments like mine.
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in the context of the argument me being genderless and using she/her and he/him is exactly the same as a girl using he/him or a boy using she/her, especially because I ONLY use she and he and not they/them
no one's going for not being confusing, everyone I know that uses pronouns that are odd expects that at least a little at first, all we want is respect, and language evolves a lot over time and I guarantee as this is more common knowledge it will be more widely accepted
also think about pronouns this way: they serve the EXACT same purpose as names in a sentence, wherever a person's pronouns are, you could substitute their name, and just like names pronouns have an affinity with a certain gender, but not exclusively belong to that gender, as a girl can choose to be called Bob, they can also choose to be called he/him
as far as dysphoria goes I can only offer my experiences with my "non matching" pronouns, in which yes it's irritating for someone to assume I'm one thing because of my pronouns, but that's usually something I'm vocal about correcting, especially in the case of lesbian women who use he/him I imagine they are also vocal about identifying as a woman, b/c of the obvious reason men can not be lesbians
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But the whole point of pronouns is to refer to gender??
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no, not necessarily, they're so you don't have to repeat someone's name over and over tbh
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Not really, it's so you know who you're talking about/referring to.
Let's say you have Alex and Alex, both of which are unisex names/nicknames.
One is male and the other is female.
The person you're talking to knows both of them. How are you going to be able to tell between them? Pronouns.
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except is it really necessary to know the gender of two Alexes? what if they're nonbinary like me but use she? you can't tell my gender from my pronouns unless I tell you
already defeats the purpose of knowing gender, and what if both Alexes go by he/him, and let's say they're both boys anyway, then you still sound like you're talking abt the same person so this example is like... really specfic and also falls apart really quickly, also you could say "both Alexes go by he/him, but this Alex is a girl and the other is boy" and again I see where that can be confusing, but none of us ask you to necessarily understand the inside out of pronouns and gender, just to respect them, and if ppl stop assuming that using a certain pronoun means a person is a certain gender, and just leave finding out their gender to when they tell you
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Okay well if you wanna be specific let's say one Alex uses he/him and the other uses she/her. What are you gonna do then?
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call them what they tell me to call them and not worry abt gender b/c it probably doesn't matter in whatever were doing, and if it does I can ask politely
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So pronouns are needed?
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of course they're needed!!! I never said they weren't, I was just saying that there's no guarantee the pronouns someone uses is an indication of their gender, and any person of any gender can use any pronoun, we just have to be vigilant about respecting what ppl want to be called
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I'm glad I could help <3
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die mad about it? having this headcanon hurts no one if you don't like it then ignore it like really
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actually having such an awful opinion does hurt people, suck my phat nuts. He/him lesbians actually hurt the lgbt+ community by making us look like a joke, trans people have it hard, i have it hard. its angering that you guys just make it harder for us to be accepted.Β Β
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I'm trans as well, did you even read the description? the people who say they won't take us seriously justΒ b/c we "confuse them" with 'unconventional' pronouns won't ever take us seriously anyway, and I'm not able to change my gender or my pronouns, so I just have to fight so that people can see that language changes and evolves, pronouns do not equal gender, it doesn't mean we can ignore ppls pronouns, it just means anyone of any gender can use any pronouns, like me being agender and only using she/he
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