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Published: 2015-02-20 00:50:22 +0000 UTC; Views: 19689; Favourites: 253; Downloads: 146
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OscarWorks brand began with the customization of various firearms by the hands of Oscar Thornhill himself, with the Cogar being its first successful standalone model, a revolver that borrows elements from the Nagant M1895 and the Webley Fosbery Automatic Revolver. Being all hand craft, only a hundred or so were ever made.
The sliding part consists of the cylinder and its frame, which moves back and forth like a pistol, having a fixed pin to rotate the six shot cylinder using its grooved zig-zag pattern while doing so. The barrel is fixed and seals the gas by moving inside the cylinder’s chamber after the weapon is cocked, much like in a pipe-and-sleeve fashion, preventing the cylinder from rotating and perfectly aligning it with the barrel, enabling the use of sound supressors and full use of the energy from the blast while also allowing one to handle it with one hand bellow the barrel, just like a riffle. Stored inside the frame of the automatic revolver there is, in front of the cylinder and around the fixed barrel, a dual stage recoil spring and buffer to mitigate as much energy as possible out of the .454 Casull.
To reload, one must pull the slide back, lock it in place with the slide catch and pull the latch on its side, releasing the detachable six-shot cylinder, meaning that if multiple cylinders are avaiable, one can have one of each ammunition type readly avaiable in a loaded cylinder. The .45 ACP and .45 GAP can be loaded with moonclips.
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It's inspired by the nagant revolver who had a gas sealing system, the NKVD used this specificity to "dispatch" enemies of the party.
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If the barrel and the cylinder has no gaps it works just fine (ex: Nagant 1885)
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Just adding the .460 s&w mag. + an 6" barrel and an attachable stock!
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Isnt this just a Mateba 6 Unica?
Just reworked slightly
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Basically a mashup between the Model 6 Unica and a Webley Fosbery Autorevolver with high ammunition interchangeability.
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And with Nagant sealed mechanism and silencer.
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Alright, so it's a revolver put you have to cock it? Not trying to hate, you seem to know your way around a gun or two, but if you need to cock it, doesn't that ruin the purpose of the revolver? I understand that this is with the 410. gauge shots, but it still sounded a bit off to me.
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The thing is, it is a hybrid between a revolver and a pistol, let me explain:
- In a double action revolver, the cylinder is rotated while the hammer goes back, and as the cylinder aligns with the barrel, the hammer drops, all in a single trigger pull.
- In a pistol, you have to cock it the first time, so the kinetic energy from the first shot will make the slide go back and forth, automatically cocking the hammer and placing the next bullet into the receiver for the next trigger pull.
This firearm is basically a pistol with a cylindrical magazine:
-the cylinder is, by default, locked by the fixed barrel that slides a bit inside it, sealing it.
-to rotate the cylinder, the slide must be pulled back, so it opens the seal and a short length afterwards it rotates because of the grooves... this motion also cocks the hammer.
-when the slide is back to its original place, the next bullet is aligned, the hammer is cocked and the cylinder is sealed.
-it also uses a dual stage recoil springs and buffer, just like the AA12, to mitigate as much recoil energy as possible (the weight also helps).
This "revolver" was done this way because normal pistols can't use multiple ammunitions without changing mechanisms first, while revolvers with such high calibers have destructive recoils because they can't make use of recoil buffers and sliding mechanisms to counter it. Also, this mechanism also enables it to automatic fire AND the cylinder kept the cartridges in the gun, making its retrieval much easier and stealth possible as the seal guarantees effectiveness of supressors.
The drawback: it is heavier and bulkier than a regular revolver and the .410 shot don't have the necessary recoil strength to manually cycle it, needing a slide pull after each shot... but with such a poor round in it, the situation probalby don't ask for higher firing speed, as it basically becomes a single shot shotgun.
Don't be nervous while asking me stuff, I will always answear gladly to my viewers' guestions
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What's this thing weigh? Because I only see it as a breeching tool in military use
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It is like the Magnum Research BFR, the Arsenal Firearms AF2011-A and the Gyrojet family of guns: it has no real military application and presents an answear to a question no one actually have. But
I imagine it weights about 3.2 lb/1.45 kg if you consider the similarities with the Mateba model 6 Unica and Taurus Raging Judge.
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Very interesting looking gun, with a very interesting design. I have a question: How many rounds can it hold per reload?
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Silly me! Forgot to put that on description: its a six-shooter (it couldn't hold more because... well, it is already gigantic the way it is)
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Alright, thanks. I like the design. Was the mechanism inspired by the nagant revolver? That's the only reason I asked about capacity.
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Nagant 1885, Webley Fosbery Autorevolver, Mateba Model 6 Unica, Pancor Jackhammer and probably more that I don't remember right now. You are welcome.
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Thanks, I only knew of the 1885.
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the system make sense,but i got some questions how the firing syst work (glock-like?), also the recoil will be a bitch to handle, especially with 454 casull with all of this moving mass and what's the capacity? 6,7 shots?
anyway well tought gun, good job
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The hability to shoot .45 Colt, .410 gauge, .45 Schofield, .45 ACP and .45 GAP rounds is the real charm to it, the .454 Casull is just there to say "why the fuck not?" and "deal with it, bitches" to any other firearm company. That being said, it makes pretty clear that anyone to shoot the 454 out of it might as well be prepared to the deal with the kick.
The firing system is, as you said, Glock like, with a fixed barrel and everything else moving, but that is where the similarities ends: the concept is pretty much straight out of a Webley Fosbery autorevolver, with the chamber sealing based both from the Pancor Jackhammer (removable cylinder, except in this case, the cylinder is also in the moving parts and the barrel and rotating pin are the fixed ones) and the Nagant M1895 (gas seal, back and forth moving cylinder).
I imagine that, for it to be able to shoot both the 454 and the smaller 45-ish rounds, its recoil spring would be "softer" than expected (and maybe even have a small recoil damper inside the actual spring, like a car suspension, to help with the kick of the 454 without damaging its mechanism), but you are right, it would be a bitch to shoot anyway (specially with the hard wood handle and no stock).
The slider is (believe me) not that big, with the heavier part of it being the 6 shot cylinder, which once removed, the gun have about the same weight distribution of a Desert Eagle (and about as heavy). That combined with the low barrel design, helps minimize some of the recoil (in theory).
Oh, and thank you!
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A model chambred in .357 mag with a "medusa"(from phillips and rogers) type ejector would make the perfect survival handgun(25+ different ammo) it will also work for the .45 cal model allowing it to shoot all the cartridges in the same cylinder altough i don't know how it will work with the detachable cylinder.
Yours firearms are not only beautiful but they might actually work if they were made in real life.
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The detachable cylinder was chosen as it would be a quick way to reload while maintaining a solid frame and the hability to change from drastically diferent rounds. Thanks for the compliment and for the hint on the Medusa, I didn't know such revolver existed!
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yup a tough revolver if you want to see a vid about it "www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaNoDR… "
About the detachable cylinder it's indeed quick to change but need a special holster to carry it (i don't think it will fit in your jeans pocket) and quite difficult to manufacture especially with the zig-zag grooves, so they are not expendables like steel stamped pistol mags, and reloading the cylinder (when you have fired all your shots) needs a stick to poke out the cases.
But you know... when you're out of ammo you can throw the cylinder at the ennemy face and rush to bludgeon him with your revolver..... quite effective
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As quickly as you mentioned the Medusa, I promptly search for every video I could find of it. Thanks for the link, anyway.
The detachble cylinder, I admit, wasn't the perfect choice, and the grooves makes it less than ideal to replicate, but it was at the time the only thing closer to a solid frame revolver that wouldn't make use of loading gates (like the Colt SAA or the BFR) and had a quick cylinder swap that I could think of (yet again, borrowing the idea from the Jackhammer).
Maybe I can invent an extracting mechanism that is contained inside the cylinder? humm...
ANYway, you might not need to bludgeon the enemy with your Cogar frame if you have a good throwing hand, since that cylinder must be quite heavy to withstand a .454 load without blasting open
(For no reason, here is a cool vid of the Webley in action www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk-UCH… )
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if you're interested in odd,weird, intersting firearms as much as me i sugest you the youtube channel forgotten weapons (also the website)
few examples:
A FOLDING PUMP SHOTGUN :www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXvmGt…
pancor jackhammer :www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VKGhq…
a STRAIGHT PULL rifle montdragon with FULL AUTO SWITCH(i know it's crazy) :www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnXecn…
also for the cogar a dardick sytem maybe ? www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKE2Yw…
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I'm subscribed to FW for quite a while now, but I often miss interesting stuff because of my agenda and the fact that they already have a ton of videos, those 2 videos you linked are a good example of stuff I did not see. Thanks!
Also, I'm familiar with the Dardick mechanism... far too complicated for my taste, but interesting nonetheless... but it still gives me a "not because its better, but because we can" feeling.
Annnnd, since you are an enthusiast, like me, here is a curious yet magnificent failure of firearm engineering:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpOcdy…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYZq5f…
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Oh man, this is dirty. Suppressed, multi-caliber, innovative design... that is one sick wheel gun.
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just the chippa revolver.
www.chiappafirearms.com/produc…
would be nice if you actually tried to make it original
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You forgot the Desert Eagle frame, the Taurus Public Defender Polymer back... thing, the Taurus Judge cylinder and the Mauser Model 1878 zig zag pattern on the cylinder. Also, the concept is basicaly taken from the Webley Fosbery revolver. I would have used the Mateba Model 6 Unica's frame if I had found a pretty high resolution of it.
Yeah, I copy pieces from other guns and I have no shame of it. It is pretty difficult to mash them up already, let alone find a good picture to use.
You can either like it or hate it (of course that I prefer the first), but I mostly do these because I like: my only concern is to make it look good and believeble.
(besides, Chippa's T series, M9s and 1911s are nothing but copycats themselves, so I couldn't care less about copying anyone XD).
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