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I just finished reading Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book, Infidel. It follows her life through various Muslim communities in countries like Somalia, Kenya, Saudi Arabia and Ethiopia, and how she escaped to the West and broke out of Islam. And it's not just interesting because it's topical; it's an inspiring story about how she came to reach reason and independence, despite all odds.Put simply, Infidel is an extremely good book. No, better than you think.
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I haven't read the book, but I'll try to buy a copy. From the way it sounds, it reminds of Wholly Different by Nonie Darwish. Gotta get a copy of that as well.
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This woman endured FGM, a forced marriage, fled from a faith that mandates death for leaving it and constantly recieves death threats. Despite this, people choose to view her as the villain half the time.
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I never really looked into her until someone brought her up. However its sad that the crazy left wingers in my country are attacking her, and the activist are even against her for criticizing Islam and feminism. Linda Sousa is a good example of a femanazi and a pro Islam activist who bashed her and its sad hardly people defend Ayaan for it.Β
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I read heritic two years ago.
It's a great book and a must-read for anyone.
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I finished Heretic overΒ a month ago, and now I'm almost finished reading Infidel. After that, I'm planning on reading Nomad. Ayaan has earned a massive amount of respect from me. Not that she didn't have my respect already, but anyone who manages to escape the brainwashing that Islam employs to keep its followers in line and emerge as a humanist criticΒ is an extraordinary human being in my eyes.
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This woman is an Islamophobe. Apparently, she never heard of Malcolm X who is considered one of the greatest Muslim leaders and a civil rights leader
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Her vaginal genital was cut you know?
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This is an old comment alright
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this woman is a brave warrior,extraordinary human being.
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I read this book before I became Muslim...and honestly, I can see how that book could give a person a bad impression of Islam...I know it did for me...but if you know anything about real Islam, you know that her book makes Somali culture look bad, NOT Islam. Female genital mutilation is a cultural practice, not a religious one. It is practiced among Christians, Muslims, and Animists in Africa. In some sects of Islam though, it's considered good for a woman to have a piece of her clitoral hood cut off...but this has proven to enhance a women's sexual experience since it leaves the actual clitoris more exposed, and thus, more easily stimulated. Anyways...she obviously has little understanding of Islam...this makes sense, considering she's from a hell-hole like Somalia.
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Would you say that Saudi Arabia is also a hell-hole? And Kenya?
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Saudi Arabia, for some people.
Kenya, for a lot of people.
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lol its a bunch of lies
didnt you see the news she's lying everything together thats why she ran away from holland they discoveres her lies duh,,
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She lied on her application for assylum which was discovered years laters, and the lie was that she said she had been into a forced marriage, the fact that it wasn't her reality doesn't mean it is less real to other people.
She quite her parlamentary position and left for the U.S with a job offer because of the stupidly politically correct climate in Holland despite the fact that plenty of prominent politicians in Holland considered her an asset to Dutch culture.
And don't worry abotu me replying to you if you wish to ridicule or slander.
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lol
yeah but she still lies a lot,
like she's saying that the muslim girls in somalia have arranged marriages while this isn't true, ok maybe in the 16th century but there were more countries who did that then.
also in her movie you could see a naked women praying o.O with quran on her body. what's totally wrong and unacceptable in the islam.
In fact women in the islam have more rights then man do if you compare it to the laws then.
also men who aren't treating their women properly, are commiting sins and give the islam only a bad name.
thats why the REAL moslims dont see them as moslims, but as retards
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We shall all face Allah (SWT) for our lies. Especially the malicious and satanic lies.
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It's too bad that she left Islam because of the culture.
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I haven't read the book, so please tell me if I'm wrong or right 
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As far as I've gathered: sort of both. She argued that it was the religion that made the culture the way it was.
And possibly that the culture made the religion the way it was a bit, too. The idea is that: there's something badly wrong about Islam today, because it's still stuck in an 8th century ideology. Other religions, such as Christianity, have updated their beliefs since then to fit in the modern world better. Most of them have gone through some sort of transformation to fit better with the way people's lives work today.
Islam, on the other hand, has gone through no such transformation. They still have things like female circumcision, murdering you if you try to leave the faith, treating women as slaves, not valuing life (being a matyr is honourable), etc.
She left Islam, basically, because it's bad. The cultural practices were horrible, of course, but I think the main reason was because she disagreed with the whole world view and ideas of it (the religion and the culture).
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Okay, but the practices that you've listed are definitely all cultural...so, I still don't understand your point...
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I think most of the practices I've listed are ordered directly from the Koran and hadith. One might say, "Ah, but they choose to interpret the Koran like that, so it's really just the culture." But the Prophet Muhammad has said clearly not to reinterpret his words -- it is in the religion.
My point was that she didn't like both, but it was more that she didn't agree with the religion's ideology. So it wasn't just the cultural practices.
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Can you please tell me where these passages are? I would like to see for myself.
Thanks
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Oops, I think I was mistaken that it was Muhammad. Here's the quote from Infidel, page 179:
"You may not interpret the will of Allah and the words of the Quran: it says so, right there in the book. There is a read-only lock. It is forbidden to pick and choose: you may only obey. The Prophet said, "I have left you with clear guidance; no one deviates from it after me, except that he shall be destroyed.""
She just said 'the Prophet', so I assumed it was Muhammad. Doesn't really make a difference, though. Prophets are prophets.
Because it's translated, there are lots of different wordings, but you can find the general thing on Google: [link]
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I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I meanr portions of the Quran the condone or encourage the activities that you alluded to previously.
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Oh, that's much easier to find. XP
Koran commands to kill infidels (so that includes not valuing life -- "martyrs enter heaven" -- and killing people who have left the faith, etc.): [link]
Subjugation/etc. of women: [link] Circumcision isn't in the Koran, but the other stuff is. There's lots more here: [link]
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Hi, I'm sorry it took me so long to respond. I don't have much time. School is crazy
It amuses me though. All of these come from a completely and obviously biased website...Can you send me links from somewhere that is a bit more neutral?
Thanks
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The second and third link contain exact quotations from the Koran. If you click the numbers after the quotes in the second link, it directs you to the Koran with the part it's referring to highlighted. That way, you can decide for yourself if you think the site's summary of what the Koran says is accurate or not. No doubt some of the quotes may be interpreting the Koran incorrectly, but I'd guess most are accurate.
Also, just because a place is bias doesn't mean it's worthless. I read stuff that's biased in the other direction all the time. Just gotta be critical.
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Oh, yes, you are absolutely right. Everyone is biased, after all! Even so, if you could direct me to a website that is not so blatantly biased, I would be very, very appreciative. The Skeptic's Annotated Qu'ran just doesn't strike me as being very trustworthy. If you're too busy though, believe me, I understand.
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Right, but what I'm saying is that the Skeptic's Annotated Quran does have the real Koran quoted, and it tells you which verse of the Koran too. You can cross-reference it with other Koran translations if you want to make sure that the Skeptic's one didn't change the words or something: [link] .
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This one works a lot better then the other one as a stamp.
. If the text if a little bit thicker it shouldn't have that yucky wobbly bluring thing on them.
. I'd have nudged her picture higher. As it is she's got a lot of fore head taking up space and her chin is cut off. Only by a little bit though, don't want to loose too much fore head. Maybe scale it down a tiny bit to compromise.
. Having her name in caps and a different colour works very well.
. Seems to be a bit of a gap below the 'I' again. Not a big deal, I just keep noticing it.
. Shame about the quality. Really brings the whole thing down. Does it have to be a .gif?
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In order to have the transparent part around the stampy bit, I think it does have to be a .gif, yes.
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This is fantastic. Great work, I'll definitely be using it~
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Thank you very much.
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