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wow, shes too hot to handle. I will love to see more of her in a bikini , mini skirt, thick thighs, sexy figure.
Marvellous!
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The Avatar of Kali is also changing the shape accordingly to the evolution and necessity of humanity. This is a very impressing expression of her form, because actually she doesn't have a form, she is consciousness beyond time/space/matter.
The word mother also doesn't have a fixed form, any being withholds inside the mother energy so from my perspective you represented here a wonderful form of the Mother Kali.
Great job!
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i have a question , yes maa kali dosent have a form but then why simply we try to give her a form according to us ... evolution and necessity these are faces of human , is these exist without life or is just a feature of life ... i think you have tried to answer me indirectly ... but how can you describe a mother without motherhood. how can you see a mother without seeing her sacrifice and care for her children. is that definition also change along with time to...
To be clear first what i stated below is about the various physical form of maa kali which is been described in ancient mythological books .. I have no disrespect "to the art of artist" but changing and evolution dosent makes sense to me if we are considering old religious icons or even us ... for instance if still we are made up of elements (scientifically we need 5 elements to live) we still need love (in the form of -a mother, a father , a friends , a sister , a daughter , a wife, a husband )in short we still need feelings to live . we still value creation and destruction, we still value wealth , we still value knowledge .. and also we need anger , motive, have a ideology, we still live on this same earth and drink and eat and inhale the same air.. this dosent change thats what defines us... so where we are evolving ... we are still the same may be now we think we are modern society , AND how can you say that old time societies were not modern then .. but then no body changed the form of the iconic description of gods and goddesses . it is what we are doing and just because we have different means to draw...
i asked the question why the artist has given the name of maa kali to his image because ,, we always try to see a enraged form of maa kali ... so are you thinking that she is the symbol of rage only .. what does weapon she holds actually means to you ... it is for protection of innocent or destruction of evil ..
i also added information because some of the people who have stated to make the image more sexy and angry , to them i asked not the artist that wghy they want to see a mother sexy and angry. what kind of thought is this.
i thin it is great that people try to define maa kali by their drawings , it is really great that they want to understand her .. but just because they have good drawing and painting skills how is it justified to describe her different and also with different ideology which she dosent stand's for...
plus i asked the artist that if he dosent have complete knowledge about her which he himself accepted .. should he not have considered researching a bit more.. to be frank im thankful to the artist at least he didnt created a painting focused on just sexuality or rage or nudity .. which is a major idea for many of the images here .. but he should have researched a bit more and ... the comment i placed was a common one i place under images i find presenting wrong , misleading or incomplete idea about mother kali .. thats why it is present here also ... i just want to ask what they are drawing is mythology not comics ... so cant they be more respectful to it and cant they define her the way she is been defined for so many thousands of years...... why to change her now what is the need to modernize a mother ..
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First of all the child that comes through the mother doesn't belong to the mother, it belongs to himself/herself as part of the Source of life. The Source of all Existence is neither mother or father while being simultaneously mother/father/child. The child contains both the mother and the father and it is the best result of their meeting in that particular moment of space/time.
The sacrifice of the mother, from my perspective, is a well implemented program of the mind/borg of humanity, and comes from the original sin program - from separation from Source of Life and from a lot of years of flight/flee/ freeze response (the survival of the individual). Because actually it is natural for a mother to be a mother and all of it comes with powerful grace if she allows the experience and doesn't filter it through her own conditioned (by society and family) filters/lens. There is nothing more graceful than to give life from aliveness - this applies both for woman and man - because they meet to co-create something better for the future of the Whole and not only for themselves, to fulfill an egoistic desire, or to bandage a pain. This also comes with the humbleness of knowing that nothing belongs to us and that we actually belong to Life, so therefore, the child that comes from us also belongs to Life.
Rage is a natural consequence of a spirit that has been caged, trapped by the delusion of the "exterior" forms and identification with suffering. The symbolism of the sword/knife might be interpreted also as a need for liberation - Maa Kali comes to liberate us from the Samsara Wheel and make us see the illusion and the reality.
If we go beyond duality, beyond the conceptual world - the ideas of good/evil, light/dark - are just experience for us to find out our true essence. In this way all the avatars and icons might serve us as models of Self Realization - each and every one of them with their unique signature that might or might not resonate inside us.
Peace.
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this will be interesting thank you for answering .... their are really very less people with this concept. (Please note we are not discussing the image and please read my answer)
I agreed to some extent of what you said . ... what i cant understand from your answer is that you said child dosent belong to mother or father it belongs to himself or the life or in your exact words are " the child that comes through the mother doesn't belong to the mother, it belongs to himself/herself as part of the Source of life. " .... but how does a child who is helpless cant feed himself, cant speak , dosent know what is right or wrong , stands for meaning of life..
what i can see that for a child - the definition of life (which you are saying he himself stands for ) for him is his mother .. even animals and small insects or wild dangerous beasts like crocodile known this concept .. as soon as the child comes out of their egg they start sounding for their mother who just rushes their and carry them in her power full mouth (a think who can rip a human and an elephant in half)carry those innocent ones and then she introduces them with the world of water... consider second ex of a spider ,, their you wont find an intelligent brain like humans but you will find the feeling of a new born .. even that small insect attaches himself to his mother by a silk thread as that un intelligent brain of he knows it is his mother and that is his life same you can see with scorpions , in scientific terms we use is - the genetic mother .. i can give you a lecture on that if you like .. their is one other think about your statement you stated "the child that comes through the mother" first of all mother is not a passage scientifically if we see is we have 46 no of chromosomes in which 23 is from mother and 23 is from father (X or Y from father) so mother is not a "passage" but the soul from which the body or new life is created and yes i know you correctly stated and i quote " The child contains both the mother and the father and it is the best result of their meeting in that particular moment of space/time. " ... but thats not it you just ignored the concept of yashoda and nandbaba and krishna .. or any mother their are lots of them who are not the genetic mother but their they are the mother . even you will agree here this is not the mother whose gave the foundation blocks of child (or in your terms life) nor she is again in your words "the passage" but they are mothers and to them also their child is the universe and the meaning of life and vice-versa .
next you say and "The sacrifice of the mother, from my perspective, is a well implemented program of the mind/borg of humanity, and comes from the original sin program -" what kind of original sin are you referring is caring for a child , i common felling so deep rooted in animals and insects is "a sin" or viewing her /his mother as every thing a child need to know what will this be called...
i cant understand your further sayings as first you say that it is the individuality of child and then you describe the feeling of motherhood but never-the less it looks like when you say "it is natural for a mother to be a mother and all of it comes with powerful grace if she allows the experience and doesn't filter it through her own conditioned" you are right here , but this proves my point that maa kali is the mother and nothing else ..
ha! your point "to give life from aliveness " is wrong even scientist rejected this concept . have you ever read about Louis pasture "swan neck flask experiment" LIFE can ALWAYS COMES FROM A LIFE FRIEND. and this is what puran states to us..
now about your statement "This also comes with the humbleness of knowing that nothing belongs to us and that we actually belong to Life, so therefore, the child that comes from us also belongs to Life." Yes nothing belongs to us thats what "kalika puran section "kali maa ki mahima say to us " but "we actually belongs to life " i didnt get this, life is a thing which includes us our feelings our experience which we cant know with out our mother..
now said "Rage is a natural consequence of a spirit that has been caged, trapped by the delusion of the "exterior" forms and identification with suffering." No, rage is a emotion never could be caged other wise it would have dissolved but instead it always comes out , it is a tool or a weapon of defense, a symbol of fight. in case of maa kali we see it is used as a weapon to save innocent..
after this you state "sword/knife might be interpreted also as a need for liberation - Maa Kali comes to liberate us from the Samsara Wheel and make us see the illusion and the reality. " first maa kali never liberates from sansaar. she gives us the life and wants us to honor it by good work but yes you are right and i quote poet Kamalakanta (the late 17th century bhakt of maa kali) here from his poem O Kali, my Mother full of Bliss!
that:-
" But worthless Kamalakanta says,
fondly berating Thee:
Confoundress! With Thy flashing sword
Thoughtlessly Thou hast put to death
my virtue and my sin alike!"
meaning :
this is what worthless kamalakanta says
with affection approaching you (maa kali)
mislead or confused by your flashing sword (which actually rise for protection or salvation but we are confused and we think it is for destruction) "
without understanding that you will end
my earthly bonds and all my sins
after this about your comment "If we go beyond duality, beyond the conceptual world - the ideas of good/evil, light/dark - are just experience for us to find out our true essence." idea of good evil or light and dark , i think this is what maa kali fights for she fight for good and ends evil i think you agree with this .. plus conceptual world , i think every felling and every emotion and even life is it self a concept .. if their is anything beyond that it is maa kali ..
and about your last words " Self Realization - each and every one of them with their unique signature that might or might not resonate inside us." these are really right .. self realization is all we want but this cant be possible if we cant see the honor and respect one should give to this life ..
i dont know whether you are from some different faith or mine .. i know one thing even gods like ram and krishna or shiva and brahma never went against their mother (ansuya where all the three gods went to see and test what is the greatest character of a women, where mata ansuya told them "it is only a child could see because it is motherhood" and respectfully they all turned into crying babies and with out the request of all the three main goddess "mata parvati, mata laxmi and mata brahmani" all the three gods cant went back to their normal forms ) .
i think i have said enough , want to say some thing else i welcome as it is true their are really few people who i can talk about this concept... thank you for writing to me .. i hope we will chat soon ...
it is nice knowing you ..
may maa kali bless you and protect you and your family and friends...
thank you for writing and sorry if i said something i should not and is beyond my place..
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their is something about the art i would like to say . where did you get this idea from . why are you naming this image of yours as Maa Kali. i dont know of what is you are trying to see." but that's not who maa kali really is ? so do you know that the name you refer is of A MOTHER. ARE YOU SHOWING A MOTHER. I DONT UNDERSTAND OF WHAT KIND OF FAITH PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THE MOTHER OF ALL CREATION ANGRY AND SEXY .. CANT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT SHE WAS ANGRY TO THE DAEMONS WHO WERE HARMING THE INNOCENT .,, SO THIS IS MODERN THINKING SEXY IS THE BEST THING YOU CAN SEE , WHY CANT PEOPLE SEE THAT SHE IS THE "MOTHER OF ALL CREATION" . IT IS A REQUEST IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HER DONT TALK ABOUT HER . AT LEAST IT IS BETTER TO BE FORGOTTEN THAN TO BE INSULTED BY YOUR OWN CHILDREN'S... WHAT A MODERN SOCIETY THIS IS PEOPLE WANT TO SEE SEXY MOTHER. AND AN ANGRY ONE TOO...
(you will find my questions and my description to many different art which states that they have drawn maa kali. but i will keep explaining this untill the world see "A Mother" in these images it is so hard to ask to give respect. )
so for information who dont have and are seeing this image and thinks that this image is of maa kali . i would say "who is maa kali "? Maa kali is the mother of all creations most popularly many artist mix "pauranik maa kali" (from durga shapshati written in 7 century BCE) with "trinatri maa kali " (from ling puran the 6th puran in all puran written in 2-3 century BCE) . (but here she is not been described in any respectable sense.)
their are 4 different avatars of maa Adi - Kali which differ in physical appearance and iconography . the artist usually mix the two of them here . (well all forms are clearly ignored here )
1.) The "Pauranik Maa kali " ( the name is given in kalika puran "section kali ka arth tatva") who appeared from the forehead of maa durga . her physical form as described in "durga shaptashati and devi bhagwatam" states that "SHE IS WEARING A SARI OF CHEETA SKIN", has a sickel in her hand as weapon, her tongue is looling out she has sunken eyes , and very long hair covering all around her and she is wearing a garland of human heads (51 to be exact) . (THE ARTIST use "the sickel" and her looling "red tongue" and long hair ) THIS AVATAR OF MAA ADI-KALI STANDS FOR AS A "PRESERVER OF INNOCENT" ( but here it is ignored )
and 2.) the "Trinatra maa kali " (section LING PURAN SECTION -"shiva tandava vernan") this is who appeared form the third eye of bhagwan shiva , she is a spiritual part of maa parvati who just jot mixed with the "karal vish" present in shivas throat and emerged out from lord shivas third eye . SHE has two hands has Three Eyes on her forehead like bhagwan shiva., SHE "IS WEARING A DEVINE DRESS", has a trishul in her hand , a crown of chandrama (moon just like lord shiva) and she has a sign of karal vish on her neck .and is wearing all different kinds of jewelry. her tongue is NOT LOLLING OUT NETHER SHE is wearing the garland of human skulls . she is dressed as a goddesses. (THE ARTIST use "the third eye" from here and "the trishul" and the chandrama crown) (AND THIS IS WHY IT IS SAID THAT MAA KALI IS THE AVTAR OF MAA PARVATI AND MAA DURGA. but we ARE REFERRING TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT EVENTS HERE WHEN MAA ADI KALI IS REQUESTED TO TAKE AVTAR. )
Well this avtar of maa kali was requested to end demon daruk . but it is said in purans that all the world feared her seeing her rage after she ended demon daruk . and they asked bhagwan shiva to calm her down. bhagwan shiva knew that the fear of gods is just misplaced and to show that maa kali can never harm any innocent one he transformed into a helpless baby (this is called as "batuk avtar") and started crying while lying on ground . as soon as maa kali herd a cry of an innocent child she immediately find the child and start nurturing her out of motherly love. So THIS AVATAR OF MAA KALI STANDS FOR MOTHERLY INSTINCT. and this is how bhagwan shiva clearly showed the gods that maa kali "CARED" more for that helpless child than she cared for destroying demons.
the 3.) third form is "maa parvati herself "- she was given the name kali and gauri buy narad maun ( a great god like saint ) ( ref Kalika puran - Section "Narad ji ka agaman") she is always dressed as a simple goddesses. and thats why it is sometime said that "maa kali ( they mean maa parvati) is the wife of lord shiva . she never wields any weapon BUT MAY BE SEEN WITH A LOTUS FLOWER IN HER HAND.
the 4.) forth form is "the adi yog maya "- she was requested by Lord Brahma ( one of the three gods ) to help lord vishnu to end "madhu and khatab " named demons. she is responsible to create the illusion of life itself . "maya" is her weapon. the most greatest weapon of all. ( ref - durga saptashati chapter no 4 section no 1) SHE IS ALSO DRESSED AS A GODDESSES
it is the above two stated majorly people see and try to draw . well this art is neither representing any form. i dont understand from where the artist learned about the concept. or is he drawing any thing else .
AND FOR THE RECORD THE COMMON FORM WHERE SHIVA LYING BELOW HER FEET - THEIR ALSO SHIVA KNEW THAT THE FEAR OF GODS IS POINTLESS THATS WHY HE DID'NT STOP HER JUST LIED OF THE GROUND "PRESENTING HIMSELF AS A " LINE" BETWEEN PRESERVING INNOCENT & DESTROYING EVIL" - MAA KALI "NEVER, NEVER" CROSSED THAT LINE . BECAUSE SHE KNEW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRESERVING INNOCENT & DESTROYING EVIL... SHE IS OUR PROTECTOR .
NOW I STATE FOR THE IDEA OF "THIRST FOR BLOOD". DEAR ALL REMEMBER MAA KALI AND MAA DUGA WERE FIGHTING DEMONS LONG BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF "DEMON RAKTBEEJ " AND AS IT PROVED HARD FOR MAA DURGA TO KILL RAKTBEEJ SHE ASKED THE HELP OF MAA KALI AND ON HER ORDERS (MAA DURGA IS THE GENERAL OF THE ARMY) TO CONTAIN ALL THE BLOOD OF RAKTBEEJ IN HER MOUTH. USING HER TONGUE AS WEAPON (LIKE THE NAILS OF BHAGWAN NARSINGH" OR THE THIRD EYE OF SHIVA) AND FOLLOWING ORDERS OF MAA DURGA SHE STOPPED RAKTBEEJ RE-ORIGINATION, AND SO MAA DURGA KILLED RAKTBEEJ (REF - DURGA SAPTASHATI CHAPTER 4 SECTION 8 - "RAKTBEEJ WADH" )
AND you Also missed the concept that she is the mother of all creation . all motherhood feeling comes from her.
EVERY MOTHER IN THE WORLD IS AN INCARNATION OF HER. EVERY MOTHER SHE STANDS FOR HER AND IN EVERY MOTHER SHE STANDS WITH US .
WHY I DESCRIBED THIS ??????? (IF THE ARTIST IS DRAWING MAA KALI , OUR MAA KALI, and respect her , instead of being a talented bully )
may be you feel that what i have stated is just same or may be people who try to justify them self may say that i m a narrow minded person. but I feel it is "Art which gives form to imagination". and is the best possible way to spread knowledge and teachings . but if you draw wrong art you are spreading incorrect information and teachings to the world.
plus I JUST WANT THAT OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD GIVE THE SAME RESPECT TO MAA KALI WHICH WE ALWAYS GIVE HER AS A MOTHER, MY MOTHER. IS IT SO WRONG TO ASK ? .But this is not possible if people who know who is maa kali doesn't describe her correctly. ( I AM NOT SPECIFYING THIS PARTICULAR ART ONLY)
{{"HOW CAN PEOPLE OF " DIFFERENT RELIGION OR FAITH " CAN WILL REALLY KNOW OF WHAT MAA KALI TRULY STANDS FOR ALL THEY WILL SEE IS JUST - "A DESTROYER" (WHICH SHE DOESN'T STANDS FOR)
SHE STANDS FOR MOTHERHOOD **"NOT"** SEXUALITY NUDITY OR VIOLENT RAGE. "}}
she has "never" been described as without cloths OR COMPLETELY NAKED. the old images you see please notice clearly that she is wearing a skirt of severed demon hands . and her front is all covered by garland of human skulls . along with many jewelry she is wearing like crown, Bazubandh kamar bandh, neckless.... AND DEEPLY NOTE THAT ON ALL OCCASIONS IS IS RESPECTFULLY DRESSED
YOU ARE WELCOME TO GO AND READ THE REAL REFERENCES AND THAN THINK. (name of reference - Durga shapshati (part of markendaya puran), Devi bhagwatam by vayas , KALIKA PURAN, Shiva Puran, Ling Puran , Vaman Puran, Varaha Puran ) every puran here describes maa kali respectifully. ) than their is "kalika tantra" "the yogani tantra" (these are the most respected tantra books ) "kamdhenu tantra" "kankal malani tantra" (these two have indirect reference)
AN ARTIST SHOULD KNOW OF WHAT THEY ARE DRAWING and tell people exactly of what they are drawing. ASK YOUSELF WHAT IS THE ARTIST TRYING TO DESCRIBE ?
- A MOTHER OR SOMETHING ELSE
SHE IS A MOTHER who is just fierce in protecting ones own child (we are all her childrens)
I HAVE RAISED THIS QUESTION TO THE "ARTIST COMMUNITY" who are drawing any image of our mother Kali" :-
1.) HOW CAN THEY DESCRIBE MAA KALI WITH LITTLE OR NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HER ....??
2.) WHY ARE THEY DESCRIBING HER THE WAY THEY SEEM FIT AND CALL IT MODERNIZATION. they all are creative they can draw any thing what they want so why are they so obsessed with the destruction of evil idea , or about the sexuality or nudity idea . ???????????
3.) i find people blaming society about the ill it has and stating that they are only responsible about the art? but why their art is to bannerize the evil ? why not draw the idea which will prevent evil FROM BEING promoted ?
4.) and why not to understand art as a form of message they are spreading in this world.? why cant you relate the mother of all creation "maa kali" with the mother we all have AT OUR HOMES ?
5.) why their is "no" respect in the art ( NOTE :- i m not talking about this particular art IM TALKING ABOUT THEM WHO THINK DISRESPECTING MOTHER IS A TREND , A STYLE, A COOL IDEA )
6.) WHAT DOES MODERNIZATION MEAN HERE ? IS IT TO SHOW DISRESPECT TO YOUR OWN MOTHER FOR MONEY ? (AS SEE MANY ARTIST CLEARLY STATED "ON HIS CLINT ORDERS" OR HERE IT IS SAID COPY-WRITE ?
SO FOR MONEY YOU ABANDONED TO RESPECT YOUR MOTHER ?
7.) WHAT REFERENCE IS BEING CONSIDERED HERE. ? DIDNT THE CREATOR NOTICED THAT HE IS JUST CONFUSED ? HE SHOULD FIRST CONSIDER ORIGINAL SOURCES MATERIALS NOT WEB.
8.) WHERE IS A MOTHER IN THIS ART . ? DO YOU REALLY SEE YOU OWN MOTHER WITH CANE IN HANDS ALL THE TIME.
9.) WHY ARE YOU PROMOTING THE IDEA OF MAA KALI SO WRONG AND CALLING IT MODERNIZATION.?
SO A REQUEST IF YOU ARE READING THIS AND YOU PAY RESPECT TO YOUR OWN MOTHER .PLEASE THINK BEFORE DRAWING ... PLEASE DRAW A MOTHER ... AS THIS IS WHAT SHE IS... AND NOTHING ELSE. DO NOT CHANGE THE IDEA OF WHAT SHE REALLY IS . THEIR IS NO MODERN THOUGHT THAN HONORING YOUR OWN MOTHER.
I AM SORRY FOR IF I STATED SOMETHING WHICH COULD HAVE HURT ANY ONE . I HAVE NO DISRESPECT FOR THE ARTISTS HERE OR ANY ARTISTS HERE . I ONLY ASK RESPECT... THATS ALL
THANK YOU .....
THANK FOR READING AND PLEASE THINK BEFORE GIVING YOUR IMAGINATION ANOTHER FORM OF MAA KALI
MAY MAA KALI BLESS YOU ALL AND GUIDE YOU( IRRESPECTIVE OF HOW YOU PRESENT HER TO THE WORLD) IN YOUR WAY OF LIFE...
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can you just answer, why you have made her like this. She is devoured as a mother, and is not feeble nor blind or unheard, it is not mere mythology,
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This representation is neither blind or unheard. Take a look in the profoundness of the drawing and you will see. From my experience with this energy she has a universal and kind of distant love complementary to her Parvati aspect. She is merged with Shiva which also has a universal and kind of a distant form of love.
Also, from my experience, she manifests her forms based on the necessity of the caller.
Let's go beyond mythology, and have respect for what she means for each and every one of us, otherwise she remains just an icon - and icons cannot be reached through personal experience because they remain just idols - devoured as an outside force and not an internal aspect of us.
Best wishes.
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I draw a variety of subjects, and I didn't know enough about her. Sorry for that.
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It's so incredible! The anatomy, the shadding, the ornaments, the contrast, everything is very intense! So powerful picture!
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It's one of the best paintings of goddess kali I've ever seen.
She's beautiful.
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