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Zahgatu In reply to Radriar [2017-02-24 10:44:46 +0000 UTC]

LOL

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BrutalityInc In reply to Radriar [2014-09-13 08:31:17 +0000 UTC]

There's actually an incident in the lore of 40K where this situation happened - an Imperial world, Sondheim V, was invaded by chaos daemons led by M'Kar the Reborn, a Daemon Prince. The planet was quickly overrun, but shortly afterwards a tendril of Hive Fleet Leviathan descended upon the world.

What followed was a clash on an unthinkable scale as both sides battle one another; Gaunts, Genestealers, and Warriors start fighting Bloodletters, Horrors, Daemonettes and Plaguebearers, utterly undeterred by their Daemonic nature. Gargoyles and Furies gnash and tear at one another in the skies while Carnifexes, Tyrannofexes, Hive Tyrants, and all sorts of bio-titans fight Greater Daemons in the streets. Nurglings and Rippers devour one another while Zoanthropes fight psychically with Lords of Change. 

In essence, sheer complete mayhem ensured. 

It turned out to be such an epic mess that when the Sky Sentinels Space Marines arrived to reclaim the planet, they just gave up and applied Exterminatus on the whole shebang. 

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Radriar In reply to BrutalityInc [2014-09-16 17:00:06 +0000 UTC]

Kinda understandable:
Chapter Master: "I thought I told you to retake the planet, not destroy it!"
Captain: *hands over surface image*
Chapter Master: "...Oh..."

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BrutalityInc In reply to Radriar [2014-09-17 02:51:17 +0000 UTC]

Lol

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MajesticChicken In reply to Revan005 [2014-02-11 04:14:31 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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MajesticChicken In reply to ND999 [2013-01-06 19:55:18 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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ASteriFegari In reply to emax130 [2012-10-24 18:05:45 +0000 UTC]

that and we are only seeing 1/4 of the tyranid threat hahaha look on the map O.o only 1/100 is actually in the galaxy, i wonder how many gods they have killed, populations and galazies comsumed, i do honestly believe the hive mind can be classified as a godly thing

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MajesticChicken In reply to emax130 [2012-10-09 16:37:39 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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MajesticChicken In reply to Telgath [2012-09-04 04:02:13 +0000 UTC]

I feel exactly the same way about alien match ups.

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MajesticChicken In reply to ZandurOfBronte [2011-05-09 21:55:32 +0000 UTC]

Indeed, that is reason enough! Thanks for the fave!

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MajesticChicken In reply to Demondragonsoul [2011-02-07 02:47:16 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

Though the Nids will probably win this battle, it will likely be an overall loss for them as daemons disintegrate back into the Warp once killed, leaving no biomass to harvest.

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Demondragonsoul In reply to MajesticChicken [2011-02-07 10:46:36 +0000 UTC]

....hmmmmmm what about the blood? but still the bodies left beheind by the dead nids would just mean that theyll recyle it...and eventully the nids will "adapt" a way to tap the essence of the warp without chaos curroption...but itll take a shitload of time and biomass and energy required for such a thing....

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MajesticChicken In reply to Demondragonsoul [2011-02-07 18:36:43 +0000 UTC]

They may bleed but ultimately they are very unstable in the material realm and seldom leave any trace of their existence once gone.

Interesting you should say somethin about the whole adapting thing, as the Iron Warriors were able to commandeer and break the will of a Nid hive ship, and now use it as a carrier for their armies.

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Demondragonsoul In reply to MajesticChicken [2011-02-08 02:20:01 +0000 UTC]

hmmm...intresting...but all tyranids ultimatly are bonded with the hive mind....so in essence the tyranids could be bidding their time...you never know with those monsters....and the fact that only three tendrils have been recorded? and with the general thing that nids swarm...well im saying the galaxy is kinda fucked right there and then if the devourer decides to screw it and send all its nids to consume the galaxy....wont matter about chaos if they have no worshippers and the devourer consumes all organic life leaving the galaxy a dry barren husk of its former self.

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ThreadsOfSilence In reply to Demondragonsoul [2011-02-19 07:10:41 +0000 UTC]

Said it before, I'll say it again. The Tyranid swarms have overrun at least 12 other galaxies already. Fifth Codex. And wherever they go en masse, the Warp gets completely cut off. Kaput. Once a Hive Fleet tendril arrives, 1) there are going to be no more Demon reinforcements from the Warp unless they are somehow shipped in from other systems and SOMEHOW get through the tens of billions of bioships literally raping the system... and 2) there's a very real possibility of the Demons being killed permanently because after their bodies are destroyed, they're completely cut off from the Warp. And it ends up being a net gain for the Tyranids, because if they can't disappear back into the warp, their very, VERY dead biomass stays as a lump of flesh in THIS reality.

Short of the Necrons, the Tyranids are THE worst enemy that Chaos will face. I honestly believe that the final battle for the 40K galaxy will be between a fully-awakened Necron civilization and the sheer combined might of several dozen Tyranid Hive Fleets.

And, by the way, isn't the Iron Warriors' capability of adaption due to the fact that... well... 1) they were humans to begin with, with logical minds? Particularly the Iron Warriors, who haven't slavishly devoted themselves to one Chaos "discipline" that would inevitably erode at their psyches... and 2) they HAD to adapt with what they got because they are using increasingly obsolete technology that can only be patched together and given contemporary-level effectiveness through the raw stuff of the Warp? Which begs the question, exactly HOW effective is all the Chaos-based weaponry going to be if they're severed from their main power source?

Sorry, but the very nature of Chaos means that only ONE of the Warp gods is going to possess any sort of legitimate effectiveness against the Tyranids, and the Shadow in the Warp just kinda trumps EVERYTHING Chaos-based.

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starspawn07 In reply to ThreadsOfSilence [2011-05-13 16:16:47 +0000 UTC]

while I agree that in a contest for territory and resources the Nids win out eventually,
but GW has made sure that each faction has something to gain from their wars.

e.g Necrons want energy,
Nids want biomass.

Warp Gods want souls.
CSMs believe themselves to be "favoured" by the Chaos Gods, and that they are "conquering the galaxy in the name of Chaos".
likewise, the Eldar and Imperium believe that they are serving "righteous" deities who protect them from Chaos.
In a sense, they have all been manipulated by soul-eating entities.
( Khorne does not care whose blood flows ... as long as it flows ... )
...

That aside, Nids and Necrons aren't the only creatures in WH40K with the potential to wipe out all life.
There's still the Enslavers.

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starspawn07 In reply to ThreadsOfSilence [2011-05-13 15:20:19 +0000 UTC]

wow that's one long serious argument thread XP

I think I'll stick with Lovecraft Mythos ...

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Demondragonsoul In reply to ThreadsOfSilence [2011-02-19 08:48:49 +0000 UTC]

yeah i argree with you on how much chaos is fucked if it gets suurrounded by a tyranid hive fleet....i wonder what woul dhappen to the eye of terror? would it be forced to close thus trapping all within it and cutting off a major route for chaos into reality?

or would it imploed causeing massive pyshic damage to the chaos gods especally slannesh as it was its birth that gave rise to the eye of terror being made...would it pretty much kill the porn god?

and yes...i say that the biggest hell driver would be a massive tyranid galaxy wide armada of constantly adapting beings versus the necrons...and who knows eventually the hive mind will figure out a way to keep its armies from being killed by the gauss weaponry...and if that happens most of the necrons msot damagin weaponry would be totally destroyed..and since theyre not machines some of their Ctan cant affect them, and the deciever? well he can only trick so much of the hive mind before it gets wise to his ways....

and dont even mention the void dragon..that things toast (begins stuck on mars i think...would make sense why those tech priests worship a "machine god"....CTAN GOD!)

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EntityIXI In reply to ThreadsOfSilence [2012-10-16 18:47:32 +0000 UTC]

OMCGs! dude enough about your Nids. Behemoth fleet got whipped out by a singel space marine chapter and a few navy fleets, your damn tyranid race would run out of biomass before they even got inside the Eye of Terror. Even if they did, you would have to face this, 1) millions of heretics, 2) 8 chaos space marine legions, thats not chapters that only consist of a 1000 space marine, a sinlge legion is at least 10,000 chaos space marines, thats 80,000 chaos marines never mind the renegade chaos marines that boast they're numbers, 3) countless daemons inclueding hundreds of greater daemons that can never truly die, 4) daemon princes, 5) 8 daemon primarchs... I can keep going... 6) Oh did I forget to mention the 4 main Chaos Gods, and Chaos God Malal, a God that even Khorn would like to avoid... Yeah... That Swarmlord kinda looks like a little bug to me to be honest... HAHAHAHAHA!!! BUG!!!

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ThreadsOfSilence In reply to EntityIXI [2012-10-16 19:16:53 +0000 UTC]

Late to the party, much?

Ignore.exe

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EntityIXI In reply to ThreadsOfSilence [2012-10-17 00:07:41 +0000 UTC]

Am I? I just read that crap today...

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ThreadsOfSilence In reply to EntityIXI [2012-10-17 01:09:26 +0000 UTC]

Yep. See ya.

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MentalGentleMan In reply to ThreadsOfSilence [2011-01-12 22:45:10 +0000 UTC]

Aw. I think he's a bit butt hurt.

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ThreadsOfSilence In reply to MentalGentleMan [2011-01-13 00:26:03 +0000 UTC]

RAWR XD Shu'up spawn of the Eye of Terror, you HAD your chance and blew it! Let the REAL threats do the talking now.

Now what would REALLY get me butthurt if I saw this happening to the Swarmlord, but hey.

At this point, it's either the Tyranids or the Necrons. Those who back Humanity or Chaos are betting on the wroong horse.

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MentalGentleMan In reply to ThreadsOfSilence [2011-01-13 01:34:25 +0000 UTC]

I think not buddy ol' pal. While your constant nom nom nomin' is rather annoying and altogether unpleasant, your constant swarms are easily dispatched by a large can of raid, and by raid, I mean anything of adequate weight to smash a cockroach. Buuuuuut your not talkin' about that, nah, your not denying how much ass we Chaos-y folk kick compare to some hungry bugs, your talkin' about how limitless your reserves are and how everyone we kill is just adding more to breed and blah blah blah blah bl-

Heres the point.

While you guys keep making more, we just don't die. It's really that simple. Not only that, we also have unlimited reserves, given all that 'all hate, love, acceptance, and change in the galaxy fueling the gods' thing. And thats not even counting what'll happen once we get the immaterium to spew into the matterium all nice and wild-like. Not only that, if you showed your scaly abiguously-kingdom'd ass in the Eye of Terror, we kinda' have out CSM that, not matter how hard you close your eyes and wish for, will not go away. Oh, that and the fact that we'd kick your ass. No proof for that one, just a good feeling.

And if your roomy ol' galaxies ya' ate up so quickly had some people in it-- guess what? All that time they've been giving energy to the chaos gods too. And the ones before them, and the ones before them, etc etc etc, up till' ya' get to middle ages times, in which case we have Chaos's baby shower and all that cal, which Nids' were so rudely absent for. I blame the Emperor. Somehow. I can always blame him for something. But he did do a good job fucking up the Void Dragon.

Anywho~

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ThreadsOfSilence In reply to MentalGentleMan [2011-01-13 09:35:26 +0000 UTC]

Sure a large can of raid would kill a couple thousand, but you'd need a can of raid the size of a few solar systems put together to get anywhere against a full-blown attack. Macragge was practically untouched throughout the Heresy

And judging by how canon allows the 'Nids to completely overrun Space Marine Chapters that the Betrayer Legions can only sit at home in the Eye and dream about, as well as the fact that Genestealers can split open Terminator Astartes like tin cans, and I think the balance pound-for-pound is quite even. Plus, the bulk of your forces are primarily fanatics and masses of lil' imps and whatnot at the moment. With the Blood Pact as an exception, Gaunts alone carry the field in the classification of pure base-level infantry. The only time you can bring quality into the field is with the greater demons and Chaos Astartes and etc. There's only so many Traitor Marines, and it usually takes a conspiracy of ridiculous complexity and difficulty to call in a "big one" (which will usually get tazed back to the Warp for another milennia or so by a Grey Knight or some other goody-goody Imperium individual).

Plus, whatever victory you had turns into a disadvantage hours later when the Hive Mind develops countless different tactics and evolutions to completely circumvent whatever edge you had.

Unless you're whoring to Tzeentch, there's not a lot you can do, because the three others can't really branch off into anything other than (1) Reagan Smash, (2) Fornication, or (3) Being Sick. Plus you'd be better off never sending anyone under Nurgle at a Hive Fleet, you'll have exponentially more dangerous biological weapons and defenses being evolved in a matter of days.

While 'Nids certainly die, you can't inflict a net loss unless you annihilate every speck of biomass on a single planet, usually Exterminatus-style like Krytmann planned. And the more fanatics and demons you throw into the fray like throwing individual fire ants into a pit of army ants, the greater the "pot" that you're gambling. Lose and you're giving the Hive Fleet a whole buttload of material to work with. And given that once a tendril arrives, hope of reinforcements from factions like yours becomes slim-to-none, which makes your chance of victory slim-to-none unless you've got one of the Traitor Primarchs or a Demon Prince like Ghargatuloth there for whatever reason.

That brings me to the next point: the Shadow in the Warp.
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It doesn't just screw with communications or spaceship transportation, it cuts off connection to the Warp PERIOD. Good luck to all the cultists that are desperately trying to call in Bloodletters and all that jazz, because unless they were there in the first place, once the spores start falling, THEY AIN'T COMING, no matter how many reserves you have waiting in the wings.

Demons have impressive strength, but once the Hive Fleet severs any connection to the very dimensional essence of Chaos, it's only a matter of time. If the immaterium starts spilling out, it's going to spew in the places that the Tyranids and the Necrons AREN'T. And the soulless killing machines, the ones that the Old Ones feared much more than your quartet of squabbling gods of sex and blood and disease and Rubix Cubes are after cutting off all connection to the Warp as well.

Judging by how even the mightiest of demons react to the Necrons' Blanks like first-grade schoolgirls seeing a tarantula, I find the chances of the Immaterium geting sealed off increasingly likely. Also, even though demons can't be killed, they can still be "destroyed." Necrons can't be killed OR destroyed.

And they've existed LOOOOOONNNG before Chaos's bebe showah. They slept right through the Heresy, because honestly, it doesn't matter to them who faces them when they wake up, they're just going to rape everything in sight and withdraw with no damage after their opponents are forced to apply wild overkill to force them back.

Also, Ciaphas Cain fears Tyranids and Necrons MUCH more than Chaos, partly because he has his priorities straight, and partly because Jurgen's awesome.

But back to the Tyranids, because I have to compensate for all the time I've spent in the C'Tan's corner. WHOO TANGENT!

I theorize that all that raw emotion that fuels Chaos would have to make its way to the Warp in order for it to take effect and benefit one of the gods. So what happens when a whole crapload of slaughter and raw emotion is flying around during a conquest of a galaxy outside the WH40K one, but it's completely sealed off from the Immaterium because of the Shadow of the Warp? I'm guessing Khorne and the others get ZILCH. What do the Tyranids get? Twelve separate galaxies to stage their attacks and breed obscene numbers of xenos, evolutions, and new bioweapons while cultivating infinite quantities of biomass, completely untouched by the Immaterium. It's a rough alternative, but whatever planet or system or galaxy is overrun by the Hive Fleets doesn't have to worry about Chaos anymore.

The Imperium's got you nice and holed up at the Eye, with the Inquisition and the Astartes and the Grey Knights and whatnot running around bashing down whatever insurrections your chaff try to stir up.

Kryptmann's conducting systematic and thorough EXTERMINATUS on an entire swathe of the Emperor's own territory just to deny the Tyranids a foothold. There's a BIG difference in threat level atm.

If Chaos manages to prevail and swamp the Imperium with a sudden outpouring of primordial soup like the current canon is implying, good luck with what they're supposed to do afterward. Advancing outwards is going to be slow as hell because any trespassing into 'Nid space is going to have to be done without warp jumps, with plenty of time for the Hive Mind to get warning and throw a couple billion ships at whatever ghetto fleet Chaos manages to piece together. Not to mention when the engagement starts, the only Demons that Chaos is getting for the battle are the ones that are flown in navally. Getting from one waypoint to another will take centuries where it would have taken hours, and I estimate the forces of Chaos will have a couple millenia at MOST before the Necrons do their whole "screw the entire Warp up the ASS with unemotional, efficient awesomeness" spiel.

That being said, I'm sorry, but Chaos absolutely SUCKS in space. The only quality ships of the faction belong to the Dark Eldar, and how many Eldar are left in the galaxy, much less Dark Eldar? Like negative two. The only Chaos vessels I've seen are ghetto raiders, increasingly obsolete Imperium battleships, and the odd hijacked spaceship of some other origin. There's ONE of the reasons Chaos wants to transform "realspace" into "Warpspace." Because their asses get handed to them in realspace.

I mean, you know why Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade is getting raped down the throat? Because the IMPERIAL NAVY of all things plowed in and bitchslapped YOUR navy all over the damn place. And last time I checked, Humanity was the ONLY race in 40K that didn't know how to work or replicate 100% of what they work with in tech. I mean,that's just SAD, losing to them.

On the other hand, the Tyranid fleets outnumber whatever they're fielded against by only slightly less of a proportion than what they achieve planetside: hundreds of millions to one, in capital-ship-sized biovessels alone. You can't touch that.

And Necron ships are unstoppable engines of destruction that EAT SUNS for mid-morning snacks and completely eschew warp travel because they just accelerate to near-infinite velocities and arrive wherever they want within seconds.

In short, no matter how hard YOU close your eyes and make constipated faces and hope that it disappears, the Shadow of the Warp's ALWAYS going to be there, negating whatever advantages Chaos enjoys against lesser races. And the literal immortality/indestructibility of the Necrons will never go away. Nor their blanks. Or the fact that their are at LEAST twelve galaxies surrounding the Imperium that are quite eternally beyond the Immaterium's reach. Or the fact that the evolutionary capacity of the Hive Mind is practically unlimited. Or the fact that your fleets are so laughably below the Necrons or 'Nids in quality AND quantity. Or the fact that the Imperium's practically nuking system after system to halt the advance of ONE Hive Fleet while Cadia's spammed away not one, not two, but THIRTEEN tries for Chaos to actually DO ANYTHING to the Imperium apart from molesting the odd backwater planet.

I blame the Emperor for... prioritizing the Warp as a greater danger than two opponents that cut off EVERYTHING from Chaos, and devastate all in their path in exchange.

BEHOLD MAH WALL OF TEXT I AM MEGATRON OK? OK

God I love Egoraptor.

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ThreadsOfSilence In reply to ThreadsOfSilence [2011-01-13 09:50:48 +0000 UTC]

And besides, even IF Chaos prevailed, life wouldn't change much. It would be more along these lines.
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MentalGentleMan In reply to ThreadsOfSilence [2011-01-14 00:33:52 +0000 UTC]

'course the Necrons will ago away-- once the immaterium and the materium become whole, and our pals the daemons come forth with their limitless numbers and crush your bugs n' bots. See, it don't matter how much evolvin' you do pal, a hellsword in the throat will still do you in. Yeah yeah, I know you insulted our penis for wantin' that to happen because we suck at space, but frankly, If we could mobilize as wide as say the imperium, or had more competent commanders (ABADDON, LOOKIN' AT YOU) it wouldn't matter how many nids' you have or necrons there are, we'd be able to take 'em all. But we don't those things at the moment, so what are we gonna' do? Get 'em. Then we can make ya' bleed some blood for the blood god.

But you seem to like Necrons as well as nids, so lemme tackle them for just a moment. Chaos has killed, maimed, and burned the Eldar gods with ease. What makes you think that two C'tan would fair any better once the warp comes a crumblin' down, and we repopulate all those universes you tactfully left empty for us with lovely humans and daemons? We'll do the same thing we did here bit by bit, getting universes JUST LIKE YOU and opening up the warp one baby step at a time after they're gone.

See, when we open the warp up, your dead. But until then, I'll give you this much: The eye of terror at it's present state cannot hold back the tides of the entire tyranid fleet. At the same time, the moment we recover from out shabby state in that backwater corner of the galaxy, we will tear the skulls from each and every hive tyrant and give 'em to Slaneesh to make modern art out of it! The Imperium and yourself will regret your underestimation of Chaos.

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Demondragonsoul In reply to MentalGentleMan [2011-02-06 08:53:25 +0000 UTC]

umm yeah while i dont care for the army pissing contest lets get down to this....

nids=constant evolution, meaning that theres cases where tyranids are ACTUALLY in space hulks int e warp....ADAPTING to it....also shdow of the warp? your eye of terror is GONE....meaning everyone inside of it is stuck forever....think about it, once a hive flee gets around it and envelops it, well chaos is kinda fucked with their biggest gateway....and the fact that the NEED lots of worshippers to even create one is an insane amount so yeah...im with the nid and necron guy.


sorry dude, but when it comes down to it, tyranids are going to devour this galaxy WHOLE, because only the tiniest strands of tyranid hive fleets are tickling in, which is nothing compared to an ocean of nids in the darkest depths of space where te great devourer lies....meaning you got one MASSIVE galaxy eating entity that consumes numberless amounts of biomass and constantly adapts to the current galaxies its attacking's peoples...remember the old tyranids? yeah they adapted when the imperium spereated them from their guns and swords...now you got claws, scythe like talons, and weapons that are PART of the nids...and i dont EVEN wanna know what happens when they come across and overrun a chaos area....because they take whatever advantage they can get and tear away any advantages the enemy has.....

so the bottom line is...unless you have one fucking large ass black cursade of ALL chaos participating and making the eye of terror strong enough to witstand and full fledge assult from several splinter fleets...your kinda fucked.

sorry but its the goddamn truth....tyranids dont like it when somones screwing with their food supply....

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Yujifanik In reply to Demondragonsoul [2011-08-24 19:49:22 +0000 UTC]

Chaos is fuelled by all life in the universe, last I checked there was a HELLUVA a lot more than 12 galaxies.

But I'm not getting into this...All I'm saying is that when the new Necron Codex comes out & tells whats what, or GW finally comes out & says whos' going to win, which is their right to have!

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Demondragonsoul In reply to Yujifanik [2011-08-24 20:36:44 +0000 UTC]

true, but chaos seems to be the most active in that galaxy...and who syas thoose 4 are THE gods of chaos...it seems to me their kinda restricted to that galaxy from what im seeing, and the great dveourer...well it takes ALOT of time to reach 12 galaxies....seriously try doing it...youll die WAY before you exit our galaxy.

and from what im saying while chaos is indeed feuled by the desires of living things, tyranids only live to consume, and while khorne might be strengthed by the battle and blood, eventuallly that strength will ebb and fade away...now im not saying that necrons are just goonna eb steamrolled, they have fucking great tech and all from what ive seen....and plus theyre all metal and from what i understand their gauss weapons disentigrate, so itll come down to it if it has to tyranids versus necrons....

and im just saying that the eye of terror while is the largest opening rift for chaos thta if it gets surrounded by a hive fleet, all pyshic power is cut off from the area...and that leaves them to eventually lay seige to it...and with their constantly growing numbers untill every last one is dead then shit will happpen...

anyway my argument may be weak but thats from what i understand of the way tyranids fight, they cut off worlds by surrounding the systems and then move in for the kill.

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